Laloosh":2lu5biob said:I love it when these guys drop the act and show their true colors. For your sake, I hope getting your hat handed to you by the super bowl losers last year taught you how to handle disappointment. I see more in your future.50yrpatsfan":2lu5biob said:hawknation2015":2lu5biob said:50yrpatsfan":2lu5biob said:This is the best run organization in sports with a very veteran staff.
You know you are making this claim on the board of the reigning Super Bowl champions, right?
I guarantee you won't be singing the same tune after we Re-Pete.
:th2thumbs:
Get real. NE has owned this league for the past 15 years. They own 3 Lombardi's and came within a literal whisker of 3 more. The Hawks until they prove otherwise are just another 1 time winner. And trust me they aren't winning this one.
50yrpatsfan":3610rivn said:Unfortunately for the Hawks, they're going to have to pay the price for this. NE will have laser focus for this one.
fansince1999":ywijsldy said:50yrpatsfan":ywijsldy said:Pats called a pc today. Belichick detailed a series of experiments the team performed the past couple of days. The main news was that the prepping/rubbing of the footballs, which occurs just prior to turning them over the ref for measurement, causes the psi to go up by 1 full psi. So if they do that and turn it over the ref at 12.5 psi, after a while of sitting, the balls will lose that 1 psi down to 11.5. The diff in temps from indoors to outdoors accounts for additional .5 psi change. So the psi went down in their experiments by a total of 1.5 psi. They were able to duplicate this for multiple footballs.
Very convincing, and I'm sure they documented the crap out of everything they did. It's over, the league will have to back off, though I won't hold my breath for the apology they owe.
His PC was all smoke and mirrors and still does not explain how all the Colts balls were still exactly within the limits. :!:
SmokinHawk":30c9j843 said:Makes sense. Artificially heat up the ball so it meets pressure requirements on inspection, knowing it will lose significant pressure when it cools. Bill basically just revealed the scam.
BillBelichick":oxhw3mxq said:Is prepping game balls cheating?
50yrpatsfan":1quv4p60 said:hawknation2015":1quv4p60 said:50yrpatsfan":1quv4p60 said:This is the best run organization in sports with a very veteran staff.
You know you are making this claim on the board of the reigning Super Bowl champions, right?
I guarantee you won't be singing the same tune after we Re-Pete.
:th2thumbs:
Get real. NE has owned this league for the past 15 years. They own 3 Lombardi's and came within a literal whisker of 3 more. The Hawks until they prove otherwise are just another 1 time winner. And trust me they aren't winning this one.
50yrpatsfan":3onzqjq5 said:fansince1999":3onzqjq5 said:50yrpatsfan":3onzqjq5 said:Pats called a pc today. Belichick detailed a series of experiments the team performed the past couple of days. The main news was that the prepping/rubbing of the footballs, which occurs just prior to turning them over the ref for measurement, causes the psi to go up by 1 full psi. So if they do that and turn it over the ref at 12.5 psi, after a while of sitting, the balls will lose that 1 psi down to 11.5. The diff in temps from indoors to outdoors accounts for additional .5 psi change. So the psi went down in their experiments by a total of 1.5 psi. They were able to duplicate this for multiple footballs.
Very convincing, and I'm sure they documented the crap out of everything they did. It's over, the league will have to back off, though I won't hold my breath for the apology they owe.
His PC was all smoke and mirrors and still does not explain how all the Colts balls were still exactly within the limits. :!:
It actually doesn't matter at all what the Colts balls measured, just how NE's ended up at 11 psi. But I'll give you a few possibilities:
- they over-inflated theirs a la Aaron Rodgers, and should be investigated for it
- they didn't prep the surface of theirs as the Pats and many other teams do
- theirs were full of cold air when they turned them over to the refs
Any combination of these 3 things would cause the psi in their balls to remain steady
DohBoy":123ox4im said:50yrpatsfan who sounds a lot like an idiot 49ers Fan":123ox4im said:
Get real. NE has owned this league for the past 15 years. They own 3 Lombardi's and came within a literal whisker of 3 more. The Hawks until they prove otherwise are just another 1 time winner. And trust me they aren't winning this one.
Oh God...living off the glory of yesteryear. That legacy and a roll of toilet paper will give you a good wipe.
Wake up, Nancyboy: You scored nine frickin' points against the Bills. You only beat the Ravens by four. Both of those games in the last month...
It's time for you to quit playin' with yourself around here and run back to mama. Last year it was ignorant Donkey schmucks who were sniffing around .Net...talking trash about how an aging QB and a top offense was going to smoke the 'Hawks. Well how'd that work, Cupcake? You need to face a simple fact: The AFC is SLOW, only slightly less so than your mental faculties.
BTW Troll: Nice Uggs.
This isn't a court room. Trying to concoct reasonable doubt much? They're full of shit and your lazy assumptions don't even come close to being reasonable.50yrpatsfan":2p8ndfx0 said:fansince1999":2p8ndfx0 said:50yrpatsfan":2p8ndfx0 said:Pats called a pc today. Belichick detailed a series of experiments the team performed the past couple of days. The main news was that the prepping/rubbing of the footballs, which occurs just prior to turning them over the ref for measurement, causes the psi to go up by 1 full psi. So if they do that and turn it over the ref at 12.5 psi, after a while of sitting, the balls will lose that 1 psi down to 11.5. The diff in temps from indoors to outdoors accounts for additional .5 psi change. So the psi went down in their experiments by a total of 1.5 psi. They were able to duplicate this for multiple footballs.
Very convincing, and I'm sure they documented the crap out of everything they did. It's over, the league will have to back off, though I won't hold my breath for the apology they owe.
His PC was all smoke and mirrors and still does not explain how all the Colts balls were still exactly within the limits. :!:
It actually doesn't matter at all what the Colts balls measured, just how NE's ended up at 11 psi. But I'll give you a few possibilities:
- they over-inflated theirs a la Aaron Rodgers, and should be investigated for it
- they didn't prep the surface of theirs as the Pats and many other teams do
- theirs were full of cold air when they turned them over to the refs
Any combination of these 3 things would cause the psi in their balls to remain steady
hawknation2015":6z3w610n said:50yrpatsfan":6z3w610n said:hawknation2015":6z3w610n said:50yrpatsfan":6z3w610n said:This is the best run organization in sports with a very veteran staff.
You know you are making this claim on the board of the reigning Super Bowl champions, right?
I guarantee you won't be singing the same tune after we Re-Pete.
:th2thumbs:
Get real. NE has owned this league for the past 15 years. They own 3 Lombardi's and came within a literal whisker of 3 more. The Hawks until they prove otherwise are just another 1 time winner. And trust me they aren't winning this one.
You also came within a whisker of losing those three Super Bowls.
FACT: Patriots have never won a Super Bowl by more than three points.
The_Z_Man":n27nmyv8 said:SalishHawkFan":n27nmyv8 said:This all played out perfectly for the Patriots. It went from being a distraction to a war cry.
They are going to be practically invincible next Sunday. Gonna require a miracle better than what we conjured against Green Bay to beat them now.
The whole thing pisses me off. Each time I think I could never despise the media more, they go and pull new shenanigans out of their asses.
TwistedHusky":2ocw205h said:We live in Seattle.
Seattle has a thriving tech culture, just as Boston does. So anyone in Boston foolish enough to pretend this is not an indicator is lying.
The data is very clear. And the data says that the Patriots are cheating.
Before 2007, the # of fumbles lost essentially mirrored the NFL average +/- a few % points. Primarily in minus, because like a good coach. Bill reinforced behaviors that prevented fumbling.
However, after 2007, the difference between the # of fumbles lost and the NFL average wildly diverged. This is clear. This is the data and no amount of whitewashing will change that.
So what happened around 2006-2007? The NFL changed the rules allowing visiting teams to supply their own balls.
Also, you can look at certain Patriots players with a large difference between the amount of fumbles per year as Pat vs their performance on another team. (For example a certain player that went to Cincy).
The truth is that whether the Pats win or lose, they have a reputation for cheating - this reinforces that. Winning or losing the SB will not change it, nor will it change the legacy that the Patriots have forged of clearly repeatedly breaking rules for competitive advantage (this is called cheating).
Which means that you can openly question whether they should have won any of their SBs, or even been to the last 3. How much has their previous cheating affected their ability to play for SBs or some of the ones they won by a FG? 1? 2? 3?
The Patriots might have accomplished as much as the Buffalo Bills in their heyday, but for the fraud. So what does that make Bill or Tom? Were they the best of their generation? Or just the best at not getting caught?
I used to like the Pats but I lost all respect for them and any respect for their "accomplishments" along with it. (And one needs to be reminded this is just the cheating they were caught at. So far 2 entirely unrelated incidents of cheating means they likely have many more that never were uncovered.)
CodeWarrior":29e3qxga said:Patriots are cheaters. Shame their presence has to ruin the super bowl. Zero respect for that franchise.
The point isn't that the graph proves your team are cheaters. It does not. However, it provide damning circumstantial evidence that it could well be the case because they're well below the mean that nearly all other teams are right near.50yrpatsfan":uo0axztp said:TwistedHusky":uo0axztp said:We live in Seattle.
Seattle has a thriving tech culture, just as Boston does. So anyone in Boston foolish enough to pretend this is not an indicator is lying.
The data is very clear. And the data says that the Patriots are cheating.
Before 2007, the # of fumbles lost essentially mirrored the NFL average +/- a few % points. Primarily in minus, because like a good coach. Bill reinforced behaviors that prevented fumbling.
However, after 2007, the difference between the # of fumbles lost and the NFL average wildly diverged. This is clear. This is the data and no amount of whitewashing will change that.
So what happened around 2006-2007? The NFL changed the rules allowing visiting teams to supply their own balls.
Also, you can look at certain Patriots players with a large difference between the amount of fumbles per year as Pat vs their performance on another team. (For example a certain player that went to Cincy).
The truth is that whether the Pats win or lose, they have a reputation for cheating - this reinforces that. Winning or losing the SB will not change it, nor will it change the legacy that the Patriots have forged of clearly repeatedly breaking rules for competitive advantage (this is called cheating).
Which means that you can openly question whether they should have won any of their SBs, or even been to the last 3. How much has their previous cheating affected their ability to play for SBs or some of the ones they won by a FG? 1? 2? 3?
The Patriots might have accomplished as much as the Buffalo Bills in their heyday, but for the fraud. So what does that make Bill or Tom? Were they the best of their generation? Or just the best at not getting caught?
Your homer glasses are not allowing you to see the point. The evidence is that while nearly all teams are right in the same mean, your team is suspiciously below that. It's definitely not proof, but it is damning evidence.
I used to like the Pats but I lost all respect for them and any respect for their "accomplishments" along with it. (And one needs to be reminded this is just the cheating they were caught at. So far 2 entirely unrelated incidents of cheating means they likely have many more that never were uncovered.)
So because the Patriots are the best in football at avoiding fumbles, we have proof they are cheaters. Wow, that's a breathtaking assertion. Can you please submit this proof to U-dub for validation? Then we can petition the league to have all their SB & AFC championship trophies returned.
LusciousJames":me62ym2w said:One thing that's clear is they're not going to be able to pull this crap in the SB, like they've been doing at least all year. The over-under on number of Pats fumbles should be a gabillion.5, and take the over.