Brock Huard and Michael Bennett Twitter interaction

[hawknation2018]

There are now three possibilities for Seymour:

1. Admit he was factually incorrect because he didn’t understand how trades affect dead money. Seems like the sensible thing to do.

2. Continue to double down and refuse to comprehend this new information, making any rational conversation impossible since we can’t agree on objective reality.

3. Run and hide. :2thumbs:

 

[253hawk]

In 2018 negative seems to have new definitions, it can mean speaking truth, true or be a rational statement. It now frequently is someone confronted with something they perceive as not politically correct or a football player who has to eat crow. - I don't miss MB's offsides penalties..., is that being negative?

He was single-handedly responsible for almost 2/3 of the defense's pre-snap penalties. I'm glad that he and his stupid tiny shoulder pads are gone.

 

[toffee]

I think there is too much bashing of former players. Bennett was great when he was here. Helped the Seahawks win a Super Bowl. He got traded for practically nothing and made a stupid comment after the fact about not paying attention during team meetings. We had an amazing defense when Bennett was here and healthy. The defense would be better today if they had the cap space to afford Bennett and knew he would stay healthy.

Groupthink often becomes an echo chamber of ignorance.

I respectfully disagree with you hawnation2018. Here's why:

1. There should be no doubt that Hawks 2017 had way better players than Hawks 2018 on the defense side.

2. Compare the result of defense Hawk '17 vs Hawk '18? The set back was way smaller than the depleted roster would suggest. We are #6 in points allowed per game up to this point at 20.5/game; 2017? We were #13 at 20.8/game.

3. Ummm... but the stars, Bennett etc. did put up good stat in '17, even now in '18 with their new teams, so why didn't the team defense benefit from their individual effort in 2017? or why their absence are so invisible in Hawk defense '18?

In the end, football as we know it still is a team sport. when stars aka locker room leaders are being negative and destructive in the locker room, the whole unit suffered as they couldn't function as a team, this is after all not tennis. Let's be honest, Tre Flowers '18 is no way better than Sherm, Earl is way superior than Tedric, Sheldon Richardson vs Shamar Stephen? Bimmer vs Hyundai? No one can argue Green/Dion is anywhere close to Bennett or Avril, may be one day in the future but not now. But hey when Flowers, Tredic, of the world bought into a system, being hungry and played as team, they may not excel, but very serviceable, and with upsides. Needless to say, aging stars had no upsides, aging team spirit destroying stars were must trades.

Even as a Pete Carroll homer, I think it's fair to question why Pete lost the heart of all the stars that he picked, molded, and nourished. I am hoping Pete learned from the past mistakes and not let that repeat on the current youngsters.

 

[Uncle Si]

Not even sure whats being argued anymore... but his production has not decreased since joining the Eagles. Nor was it declining when he was still a Hawk.

So they rid themselves of a very good football player for... reasons?

Do people believe it was financial? That seems overtly naive. Unless you want to argue that his effectiveness on the football field plus his attitude didnt match his salary. Because thats what seems to have happened.

And thats what Brock is referencing

 

[Seymour]

There are now three possibilities for Seymour:

1. Admit he was factually incorrect because he didn’t understand how trades affect dead money. Seems like the sensible thing to do.

2. Continue to double down and refuse to comprehend this new information, making any rational conversation impossible since we can’t agree on objective reality.

3. Run and hide. :2thumbs:

This was the basis of the disagreement, why he was shipped out.

From the very article you posted...... :roll:

Based on those figures, it seems more likely that the Seahawks would cut him in 2019 or 2020. It's not like he's suddenly turned into a horrible player. He's still good, if not dominant, and he still adds value to the team

Exactly what I said. You cannot find that talent for what they would have paid to keep him.

Back to the facts. Fact: Bennett was a cancer and was shipped out.

Not because of Mr 2018 reason....salary
Not because of Mr 2018 reason....age
Not because of Mr 2018 reason....injuries

 

[Hawknballs]

Funny how all these former players made it seem like they 'got it' while they were here, but the minute they have to deal with the reality of business and the fact that Pete's open-minded culture doesn't mean you shouldn't act like a man, they revert back to children.

I'm tired of giving players credit for understanding that "its just business" simply because they drop that line but seem to take it personally when it's their turn to have to parse it.

 

[hawknation2018]

I think there is too much bashing of former players. Bennett was great when he was here. Helped the Seahawks win a Super Bowl. He got traded for practically nothing and made a stupid comment after the fact about not paying attention during team meetings. We had an amazing defense when Bennett was here and healthy. The defense would be better today if they had the cap space to afford Bennett and knew he would stay healthy.

Groupthink often becomes an echo chamber of ignorance.

I respectfully disagree with you hawnation2018. Here's why:

1. There should be no doubt that Hawks 2017 had way better players than Hawks 2018 on the defense side.

2. Compare the result of defense Hawk '17 vs Hawk '18? The set back was way smaller than the depleted roster would suggest. We are #6 in points allowed per game up to this point at 20.5/game; 2017? We were #13 at 20.8/game.

3. Ummm... but the stars, Bennett etc. did put up good stat in '17, even now in '18 with their new teams, so why didn't the team defense benefit from their individual effort in 2017? or why their absence are so invisible in Hawk defense '18?

In the end, football as we know it still is a team sport. when stars aka locker room leaders are being negative and destructive in the locker room, the whole unit suffered as they couldn't function as a team, this is after all not tennis. Let's be honest, Tre Flowers '18 is no way better than Sherm, Earl is way superior than Tedric, Sheldon Richardson vs Shamar Stephen? Bimmer vs Hyundai? No one can argue Green/Dion is anywhere close to Bennett or Avril, may be one day in the future but not now. But hey when Flowers, Tredic, of the world bought into a system, being hungry and played as team, they may not excel, but very serviceable, and with upsides. Needless to say, aging stars had no upsides, aging team spirit destroying stars were must trades.

Even as a Pete Carroll homer, I think it's fair to question why Pete lost the heart of all the stars that he picked, molded, and nourished. I am hoping Pete learned from the past mistakes and not let that repeat on the current youngsters.

You make some good points. However, I think the main issues in 2017 were the massive number of injuries to our aging defensive veterans.

Cliff Avril played his last game in October last year. Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman were done in November. Dion Jordan missed the first eight weeks of the season. Earl Thomas missed games due to injury. Bennett was playing through injury and his pressure rate plummeted. Even Bobby Wagner, who was having a great year, was hurt at the end of last season, which contributed in a huge way to the debacle against the Rams.

This season, the playing calling and run game have helped take some pressure off the defense. Last year, we were heavily reliant on the passing game, and there were a number of quick three-and-outs. Ken Norton, Jr. has been a positive factor this year. We had an off-season to prepare and account for some of those personnel losses. Last year, they allowed 20.8 points per game. This year, it is 20.5.

I think the defense would be even better with Michael Bennett, who happens to be healthy. But there was no way to know that a 33 year old coming off an injury-plagued season was going to have a bounce back year.

 

[hawknation2018]

There are now three possibilities for Seymour:

1. Admit he was factually incorrect because he didn’t understand how trades affect dead money. Seems like the sensible thing to do.

2. Continue to double down and refuse to comprehend this new information, making any rational conversation impossible since we can’t agree on objective reality.

3. Run and hide. :2thumbs:

This was the basis of the disagreement, why he was shipped out.

From the very article you posted...... :roll:

Based on those figures, it seems more likely that the Seahawks would cut him in 2019 or 2020. It's not like he's suddenly turned into a horrible player. He's still good, if not dominant, and he still adds value to the team

Exactly what I said. You cannot find that talent for what they would have paid to keep him.

Back to the facts. Fact: Bennett was a cancer and was shipped out.

Not because of Mr 2018 reason....salary
Not because of Mr 2018 reason....age
Not because of Mr 2018 reason....injuries

He went with Option 2. :lol:

 

[Seymour]

Not even sure whats being argued anymore... but his production has not decreased since joining the Eagles. Nor was it declining when he was still a Hawk.

So they rid themselves of a very good football player for... reasons?

Do people believe it was financial? That seems overtly naive. Unless you want to argue that his effectiveness on the football field plus his attitude didnt match his salary. Because thats what seems to have happened.

And thats what Brock is referencing

That really is exactly what I'm saying and what the disagreement was. Mr2018 thinks it was salary, age, injuries when it's plain as day it was not.

 

[hawknation2018]

Not even sure whats being argued anymore... but his production has not decreased since joining the Eagles. Nor was it declining when he was still a Hawk.

Bennett’s pressure rate plummeted in 2017.

Bennett even said before he was traded that he didn’t think he would be back with the Seahawks because “it’s a young man’s game.”

 

[Seymour]

Not even sure whats being argued anymore... but his production has not decreased since joining the Eagles. Nor was it declining when he was still a Hawk.

Bennett’s pressure rate plummeted in 2017.

Bennett even said before he was traded that he didn’t think he would be back with the Seahawks because “it’s a young man’s game.”

As opposed to saying "Pete will be shipping me out because I no longer buy into Pete's stale message and read books in meetings".

What the hell else do you expect him to say when he doesn't know where he'll end up? :roll:

 

[Boycie]

No sympathy for Bennett here. He absolutely could have helped us on the field this season but we had to move him for locker room reasons and that's 100% on him.

It was 90% salary/age/injuries. If Bennett were 26 years old and healthy, we don’t even think about trading him. Same for Sherman.

BS. The Seahawks are paying $5M to get rid of him and only saved $1.6M getting rid of him. Show me another Dlineman that you can get for $1.6M with his numbers. Not to mention this is the first year of his new 3 year deal and he never even made the 1st year of that. That is called a fire sale, get him out of here and fast!! :roll:

They ONLY saved $1.6 million?

And what do you call the remaining $21 million of salary on his contract?

21-5= 16. $16 million.

Nice distortion. So close...

This was addition by subtraction.

 

[Uncle Si]

Not even sure whats being argued anymore... but his production has not decreased since joining the Eagles. Nor was it declining when he was still a Hawk.

Bennett’s pressure rate plummeted in 2017.

Bennett even said before he was traded that he didn’t think he would be back with the Seahawks because “it’s a young man’s game.”

And yet his stats are level and consistent with his entire career.

 

[hawknation2018]

Not even sure whats being argued anymore... but his production has not decreased since joining the Eagles. Nor was it declining when he was still a Hawk.

Bennett’s pressure rate plummeted in 2017.

Bennett even said before he was traded that he didn’t think he would be back with the Seahawks because “it’s a young man’s game.”

And yet his stats are level and consistent with his entire career.

You mean sacks and tackles? His pressure rate and defensive grade were his lowest since 2010. Just watching him on the field, it was obvious that he was not the same player in 2017. The whole year he was battling a painful plantar fascia injury, then he injured his knee later in the year. And he was entering his age 33 season... there was no way to know at the time that he would stay healthy and that his production would bounce back.

 

[Uncle Si]

He still finished 6th in the league in pressures. He was still far above the league average for his position... and far above it in the 4th quarter. And you should check the teams pressure stats in his last two years when he wasnt on the field.

There is no way to know a lot of things in football. However.. its easy to see that bennetts playing level, while slightly below his mark was still far above most other players.

The team was ranked in the top 3 last year in pressuring the qb. Yet look how far they dropped without Bennett on the field.

But sure... he was "declining"...

Just call it what it was... he was shuffled on because he caused more disruption in his own locker room then the other teams backfield.

Not even sure why youd argue it

 

[HawkGA]

Brock was probably a touch snarkier than he needed to be but he's not wrong.

 

[hawknation2018]

He still finished 6th in the league in pressures. He was still far above the league average for his position... and far above it in the 4th quarter. And you should check the teams pressure stats in his last two years when he wasnt on the field.

There is no way to know a lot of things in football. However.. its easy to see that bennetts playing level, while slightly below his mark was still far above most other players.

The team was ranked in the top 3 last year in pressuring the qb. Yet look how far they dropped without Bennett on the field.

But sure... he was "declining"...

A decline in production is the predicable result for a 33-year-old player battling through injuries and a plummeting pressure rate. That is when players like that are traded or released in the NFL.

Do you remember how he played in the Rams debacle, for example? He was invisible, only one pressure, a 33 grade.

Now he is questionable to play with another foot injury. I wonder if that is plantar fasciitis again.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

He still finished 6th in the league in pressures. He was still far above the league average for his position... and far above it in the 4th quarter. And you should check the teams pressure stats in his last two years when he wasnt on the field.

There is no way to know a lot of things in football. However.. its easy to see that bennetts playing level, while slightly below his mark was still far above most other players.

The team was ranked in the top 3 last year in pressuring the qb. Yet look how far they dropped without Bennett on the field.

But sure... he was "declining"...

I wouldn't say he's declining, but you have to factor in the line he's playing on now, and how deep the Eagle's D-line rotation is. Playing 60% of the snaps on their veteran D-line with guys like Ngata, Cox, Jernigan, Graham and Long is a much better situation for Bennett than here having to play 80-90% of the snaps.

There doesn't have to be a "right or wrong" trade or "who lost" with Bennett leaving. IMO it worked out well for everyone involved. We got rid of a player who needed to go, got a 5th round pick, the Eagle's got a good player and Bennett can now extend his career maybe a couple more years playing on a good line with less snaps.

 

[Seymour]

He still finished 6th in the league in pressures. He was still far above the league average for his position... and far above it in the 4th quarter. And you should check the teams pressure stats in his last two years when he wasnt on the field.

There is no way to know a lot of things in football. However.. its easy to see that bennetts playing level, while slightly below his mark was still far above most other players.

The team was ranked in the top 3 last year in pressuring the qb. Yet look how far they dropped without Bennett on the field.

But sure... he was "declining"...

Just call it what it was... he was shuffled on because he caused more disruption in his own locker room then the other teams backfield.

Not even sure why youd argue it

And he is the 18th highest paid DE in the league.....yet according to Mr2018 we shipped him out because of salary. :roll:

We must be the dumbest team in the league to ship off a value like that.....according to someone.

 

[hawknation2018]

He still finished 6th in the league in pressures. He was still far above the league average for his position... and far above it in the 4th quarter. And you should check the teams pressure stats in his last two years when he wasnt on the field.

There is no way to know a lot of things in football. However.. its easy to see that bennetts playing level, while slightly below his mark was still far above most other players.

The team was ranked in the top 3 last year in pressuring the qb. Yet look how far they dropped without Bennett on the field.

But sure... he was "declining"...

Just call it what it was... he was shuffled on because he caused more disruption in his own locker room then the other teams backfield.

Not even sure why youd argue it

And he is the 18th highest paid DE in the league.....yet according to Mr2018 we shipped him out because of salary. :roll:

We must be the dumbest team in the league to ship off a value like that.....according to someone.

Let me know when you learn how trades affect dead money, then we can have a discussion. LOL.