Belicheat confirmed...Deflate-gate

[Pats fan1]

I just know the Pats will use this as motivation to try to blow out the Colts again in Indy next season. And then Jim Irsay will try to find something else to play detective over. Maybe have Colts' players put on Pats' jersey's and sneak over to the Pats' sideline during the game and take samples out of the Pats' Gatorade bottles? The gatorade bottles are spiked possibly.

 

[DavidSeven]

Why deflect blame to the referees? Maybe they should have known; maybe they shouldn't. It's typical hindsight, MMQB-ing. It only becomes obvious to everyone after the fact. To me, the concept of a team cheating in this fashion and to this degree is so insane that I could see it easily being overlooked by any competent person. There are a million other things they are responsible for. When they were asked to properly inspect the balls before the game and at halftime, they did just that.

If something shady did happen here, the blame goes to the parties with intent (the Patriots). Simple as that.

 

[RolandDeschain]

 

[Pats fan1]

I don't care much about deflated footballs either, as I'm pretty confident the 2 best teams in the NFL are in the Super Bowl.

Saying that, you gotta think this helps the Hawks. This HAS to be a major distraction for New England, right during the time that they're supposed to be putting their game plan together (assuming they have the same plan as Pete).

No more than the media firestorm last year about Sherman hurt our game planning. I would argue that was even bigger than this - only sports fans/media even care about this. The Sherman thing was much broader and was talked about in all forms of media due to the social impact and subsequent discussion.

Big difference!

Seahawks embrace the public loud mouth types and market themselves like that or Pete Carroll embraces, encourages and allows it.

Belichick doesn't. He wants his players to be robotic, don't give any interviews, show no emotion, don't give the media or opposing teams to use anything against you.

That's the problem. Belichick puts tremendous pressure on his players to act accordingly while behind the scenes it seems Belichick breaks rules.

And here's the thing......after Belichick gets caught breaking rules it becomes a national headline story and now news media nation wide are in the Pats' locker room surrounding Pats' players looking for quotes. So Belichick just contradicted his own ways and it backfired. It's become a national joke and punch line.

 

[Bigbadhawk]

I just want to know one thing from anyone that says the loss in pressure is due or possibly due to the weather temp outside compared to the temperature inside when the balls where tested. Why haven't we heard of any issues about the Colts game balls since they were subjected to the same temperature differences?

I visited the Pats forums last night and all I was reading was it was due to the temperature change. Boggles my mind how in their eyes temperature only effects Patriot team balls and no others. :34853_doh:

 

[Pats fan1]

Why deflect blame to the referees? Maybe they should have known; maybe they shouldn't. It's typical hindsight, MMQB-ing. It only becomes obvious to everyone after the fact. To me, the concept of a team cheating in this fashion and to this degree is so insane that I could see it easily being overlooked by any competent person. There are a million other things they are responsible for. When they were asked to properly inspect the balls before the game and at halftime, they did just that.

If something shady did happen here, the blame goes to the parties with intent (the Patriots). Simple as that.

They're reporting on the radio now that a reporter covering the Senior Bowl was asking current NFL coaches about deflate gate and the coaches are saying it's totally blown out of proporation....

Basically...many teams do this to take care of their QB and it's wide spread.

Brad Johnson of the 2002 Super Bowl winning Bucs said he paid around $75,000 to doctor up the footballs. Where's the asterisk for the Bucs' SB?

Don't hold the Pats to different standards.

And if they find out multiple teams around the NFL deflate or inflate game balls beyond or below the legal limits then it publicly needs to be reported nationally and all teams, all coaches and all QB's need to be publicly mentioned.

 

[bmorepunk]

I just want to know one thing from anyone that says the loss in pressure is due or possibly due to the weather temp outside compared to the temperature inside when the balls where tested. Why haven't we heard of any issues about the Colts game balls since they were subjected to the same temperature differences?

I visited the Pats forums last night and all I was reading was it was due to the temperature change. Boggles my mind how in their eyes temperature only effects Patriot team balls and no others. :34853_doh:

Simple gas calculations using air and the volume of an NFL football show that the temperature drop we're talking about is only enough to drop the pressure in the ball by 1/3 of the alleged 2 psi below 12.5 psi.

 

[hawk12]

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[Pats fan1]

Bucs QB Johnson paid to have footballs altered before SB 37...
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/bucs ... 37/2214490

 

[DavidSeven]

Scuffing balls isn't illegal. He also did it to all 100 balls, so it applied equally to each team. It's a weird thing for him to admit, but people have long said the SB balls are too polished. Not the same thing.

 

[Bigbadhawk]

Guess the Colts notified the NFL about the same issue after their Nov 16th match up.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-concerns-in-november-matchup-with-patriots/

 

[Chawks1]

Why deflect blame to the referees? Maybe they should have known; maybe they shouldn't. It's typical hindsight, MMQB-ing. It only becomes obvious to everyone after the fact. To me, the concept of a team cheating in this fashion and to this degree is so insane that I could see it easily being overlooked by any competent person. There are a million other things they are responsible for. When they were asked to properly inspect the balls before the game and at halftime, they did just that.

If something shady did happen here, the blame goes to the parties with intent (the Patriots). Simple as that.

They're reporting on the radio now that a reporter covering the Senior Bowl was asking current NFL coaches about deflate gate and the coaches are saying it's totally blown out of proporation....

Basically...many teams do this to take care of their QB and it's wide spread.

Brad Johnson of the 2002 Super Bowl winning Bucs said he paid around $75,000 to doctor up the footballs. Where's the asterisk for the Bucs' SB?

Don't hold the Pats to different standards.

And if they find out multiple teams around the NFL deflate or inflate game balls beyond or below the legal limits then it publicly needs to be reported nationally and all teams, all coaches and all QB's need to be publicly mentioned.

I understand you want to defend your Pats but come on. They got caught. The grievance was filed. The refs tested the balls. And now you have to pay the Piper. Everyone might very well do it. But you punish the one that got caught. Unfortunately for you, your coach has a history of this. It is a second strike. He and your franchise will be punished with fines, loss of draft picks and maybe suspensions. Brace yourself.

 

[Pats fan1]

“Did not notice, and that’s something for the league to handle. It’s not my place to comment on it,” Pagano said.

Is this guy just lying? I just don’t get it. Not that I think the Colts are at fault here but why not just come out and say “we thought the Patriots were using non regulation football, so we had the refs/league look into it?”

 

[Our Man in Chicago]

“Did not notice, and that’s something for the league to handle. It’s not my place to comment on it,” Pagano said.

Is this guy just lying? I just don’t get it. Not that I think the Colts are at fault here but why not just come out and say “we thought the Patriots were using non regulation football, so we had the refs/league look into it?”

He doesn't need to oversell, at this point. He doesn't need to become part of the story. The die is cast, and he's getting out of the way.

 

[Pats fan1]

Why deflect blame to the referees? Maybe they should have known; maybe they shouldn't. It's typical hindsight, MMQB-ing. It only becomes obvious to everyone after the fact. To me, the concept of a team cheating in this fashion and to this degree is so insane that I could see it easily being overlooked by any competent person. There are a million other things they are responsible for. When they were asked to properly inspect the balls before the game and at halftime, they did just that.

If something shady did happen here, the blame goes to the parties with intent (the Patriots). Simple as that.

They're reporting on the radio now that a reporter covering the Senior Bowl was asking current NFL coaches about deflate gate and the coaches are saying it's totally blown out of proporation....

Basically...many teams do this to take care of their QB and it's wide spread.

Brad Johnson of the 2002 Super Bowl winning Bucs said he paid around $75,000 to doctor up the footballs. Where's the asterisk for the Bucs' SB?

Don't hold the Pats to different standards.

And if they find out multiple teams around the NFL deflate or inflate game balls beyond or below the legal limits then it publicly needs to be reported nationally and all teams, all coaches and all QB's need to be publicly mentioned.

I understand you want to defend your Pats but come on. They got caught. The grievance was filed. The refs tested the balls. And now you have to pay the Piper. Everyone might very well do it. But you punish the one that got caught. Unfortunately for you, your coach has a history of this. It is a second strike. He and your franchise will be punished with fines, loss of draft picks and maybe suspensions. Brace yourself.

I didn't do anything wrong. Take it up with them,

But I'll say this. Belichick won't run out of town quickly to another team the way Carrol did fleeing USC.

And don't act like other teams are not involved. Better hope the NFL doesn't find anything with your team.

But what makes you think Goodell will do anything severe? Remember the conspiracy: "Goodell is in Kraft's pocket." ? lol

 

[Hawkpower]

Why deflect blame to the referees? Maybe they should have known; maybe they shouldn't. It's typical hindsight, MMQB-ing. It only becomes obvious to everyone after the fact. To me, the concept of a team cheating in this fashion and to this degree is so insane that I could see it easily being overlooked by any competent person. There are a million other things they are responsible for. When they were asked to properly inspect the balls before the game and at halftime, they did just that.

If something shady did happen here, the blame goes to the parties with intent (the Patriots). Simple as that.

They're reporting on the radio now that a reporter covering the Senior Bowl was asking current NFL coaches about deflate gate and the coaches are saying it's totally blown out of proporation....

Basically...many teams do this to take care of their QB and it's wide spread.

Brad Johnson of the 2002 Super Bowl winning Bucs said he paid around $75,000 to doctor up the footballs. Where's the asterisk for the Bucs' SB?

Don't hold the Pats to different standards.

And if they find out multiple teams around the NFL deflate or inflate game balls beyond or below the legal limits then it publicly needs to be reported nationally and all teams, all coaches and all QB's need to be publicly mentioned.

Um, cheating is cheating, regardless of how many "others" are doing it.

Doesnt sound like Indy was using deflated balls, therefore, you gained a competitive advantage.

 

[YYZHawksFan]

I just want to know one thing from anyone that says the loss in pressure is due or possibly due to the weather temp outside compared to the temperature inside when the balls where tested. Why haven't we heard of any issues about the Colts game balls since they were subjected to the same temperature differences?

I visited the Pats forums last night and all I was reading was it was due to the temperature change. Boggles my mind how in their eyes temperature only effects Patriot team balls and no others. :34853_doh:

maybe they were just speaking from personal experience that their balls shrivel up in the cold weather or when placed under extreme pressure....

 

[Our Man in Chicago]

Belichick won't run out of town quickly to another team the way Carrol did fleeing USC.

:roll:

 

[YYZHawksFan]

i suspect nothing more than a mere "*" in the history books for the pats game. i honestly have no idea what they could do.

 

[bigtrain21]

But I'll say this. Belichick won't run out of town quickly to another team the way Carrol did fleeing USC.

Hey troll,

He left a college team for full control of an NFL team.