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JFC, this place deserves 10 years of 2-15 records.
hoxrox":1x4pv6k9 said:Hero ball worked when he was faster and more elusive. It worked in 2020 until it didn't.
He only takes advice from Mr. Unlimited. He wants to be the hero.
It's really not rocket science to put 2 and 2 together. Based on his actions on the field. And based on his own admission.
TwistedHusky":2rqm7wib said:This is such a weird question.
Wilson is obsessed with his legacy.
The last thing people obsessed with their legacy do, is purposely pile up Ls.
What I do think Wilson did is shake his coach off.
But for the rest?
Did you see him at the end last year? He was running for 1st downs. Taking hits. Not going out of bounds and sometimes not even sliding.
Is that the behavior of someone just mailing it in?
Wilson seems very egocentric, and I've always wondered if he might be a bit of a narcissist, but come he clearly CLEARLY wants to win every effing game. He does NOT want Ls on his record.
He isn't going to tank or sabotage the team. Especially when it screws up his career W/L records he worked so hard to build up.
John63":oircn6si said:hoxrox":oircn6si said:Hero ball worked when he was faster and more elusive. It worked in 2020 until it didn't.
He only takes advice from Mr. Unlimited. He wants to be the hero.
It's really not rocket science to put 2 and 2 together. Based on his actions on the field. And based on his own admission.
Ahh so no proof just assumptions. Got it.
To John63, unless Russ announced on TV that he checked out, or played hero ball, or didn't follow the coaches play calling, etc. It didn't happen, got it?Cyrus12":2q1vglwv said:https://forums.denverbroncos.com/forum/ ... ootball-aaJohn63":2q1vglwv said:Wow just when I thought this place could not get any worse it does. What a load of crap.ukeface:
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John63":fojaggu3 said:hoxrox":fojaggu3 said:Hero ball worked when he was faster and more elusive. It worked in 2020 until it didn't.
He only takes advice from Mr. Unlimited. He wants to be the hero.
It's really not rocket science to put 2 and 2 together. Based on his actions on the field. And based on his own admission.
Ahh so no proof just assumptions. Got it.
PNW":3ofui6jp said:John63":3ofui6jp said:hoxrox":3ofui6jp said:Hero ball worked when he was faster and more elusive. It worked in 2020 until it didn't.
He only takes advice from Mr. Unlimited. He wants to be the hero.
It's really not rocket science to put 2 and 2 together. Based on his actions on the field. And based on his own admission.
Ahh so no proof just assumptions. Got it.
Just like you assumed Russ would stay with the Seahawks, however he’s gone now.
John63":knx12u8v said:PNW":knx12u8v said:John63":knx12u8v said:hoxrox":knx12u8v said:Hero ball worked when he was faster and more elusive. It worked in 2020 until it didn't.
He only takes advice from Mr. Unlimited. He wants to be the hero.
It's really not rocket science to put 2 and 2 together. Based on his actions on the field. And based on his own admission.
Ahh so no proof just assumptions. Got it.
Just like you assumed Russ would stay with the Seahawks, however he’s gone now.
I did not assume I mistakenly took PC at his word. Something that will never happen again
Don’t forget, the main thing, you also took Wilson at his word.John63":152rf5em said:PNW":152rf5em said:John63":152rf5em said:hoxrox":152rf5em said:Hero ball worked when he was faster and more elusive. It worked in 2020 until it didn't.
He only takes advice from Mr. Unlimited. He wants to be the hero.
It's really not rocket science to put 2 and 2 together. Based on his actions on the field. And based on his own admission.
Ahh so no proof just assumptions. Got it.
Just like you assumed Russ would stay with the Seahawks, however he’s gone now.
I did not assume I mistakenly took PC at his word. Something that will never happen again
ddores":3fs8mbjf said:keasley45":3fs8mbjf said:If by sabotaging, you mean not playing the position in a way that would allow us to defeat defenses based on a sound gameplan, because he wasn't capable of executing the plays and effectively distributing the ball...and then refused to embrace alternate solutions, yes.
Yes. Russ stubbornly insisting on playing the game the way he wanted, so that he could show that his way, his arm, his ability was the way to win, rather than subscribing to the style of play we saw late in the year that saw us close out the season on a high note, was absolutley intentional. Pete waited 7 games to force the change in 2020 and 12 weeks in 2021 because I think he knew that the only way to keep Russ was to let him try it his way until it was obvious there was no chance that way was going to work.
And it didn't work.
I think you're pretty spot on with this. I think Russ basically went into sulking teenager mode after the press last off season. And I think you're correct - I don't think he was 'tanking' games intentionally at all - but I do think he was trying to force 'his' version of the game. I remember PC calling him out sorta (forget which game) "wish Russ could have helped us" - and Russ: "I'm gonna try and win. That's what I'm gonna do. Sometimes it works....".
So, I think he was just disgruntled and teenagery a bit. I don't think there was intent there - and he still has to make some numbers for his own contracts.
I think it was just the natural end to a bad relationship between him and PC,
toffee":21m6sjw5 said:ddores":21m6sjw5 said:keasley45":21m6sjw5 said:If by sabotaging, you mean not playing the position in a way that would allow us to defeat defenses based on a sound gameplan, because he wasn't capable of executing the plays and effectively distributing the ball...and then refused to embrace alternate solutions, yes.
Yes. Russ stubbornly insisting on playing the game the way he wanted, so that he could show that his way, his arm, his ability was the way to win, rather than subscribing to the style of play we saw late in the year that saw us close out the season on a high note, was absolutley intentional. Pete waited 7 games to force the change in 2020 and 12 weeks in 2021 because I think he knew that the only way to keep Russ was to let him try it his way until it was obvious there was no chance that way was going to work.
And it didn't work.
I think you're pretty spot on with this. I think Russ basically went into sulking teenager mode after the press last off season. And I think you're correct - I don't think he was 'tanking' games intentionally at all - but I do think he was trying to force 'his' version of the game. I remember PC calling him out sorta (forget which game) "wish Russ could have helped us" - and Russ: "I'm gonna try and win. That's what I'm gonna do. Sometimes it works....".
So, I think he was just disgruntled and teenagery a bit. I don't think there was intent there - and he still has to make some numbers for his own contracts.
I think it was just the natural end to a bad relationship between him and PC,
He was all out putting on shows for his future suitors, at the expenses of Hawk's 2021 season. He rushed back for that too, he couldn't risk Geno start winning. He jumped right back to stop Geno starting, a risk he wasn't going to take.