After 9 games: #10 in O, #8 in D, #1 in ST

[toffee]

Our defense is graded higher than our offense, and hey, our special team is #1 in the league! On defense, our run defense and tacking remain the weak spots, coverage keeps improving. On offense, our receiving and run blocking, yes run blocking are strength. Passing (hello Geno) and pass blocking remain the weaknesses.

Since week 2 Lions' game, our defense moved up from #30 to #8, our offense moved down from #3 to 10, how things changed. According to these PFF gradings, we are the borderline top 10 team that won't go far in playoffs. We are 6th ranked in NFC after 9ers #1, Cowboys #3, Lions #5, Eagles #7 and Vikings #8, there are 6 NFC teams in top 10, only 4 for AFC according to the opinions of PFF.

 

[LTH]

They are going to make some noise in the playoffs.

 

[toffee]

Something may not be right on these PFF gradings:

1. Our consistently #7 ranked run blocking vs #12 rank rushing, something wrong with our backs or plays? Holes were there but backs not using them?
2. Our consistently #20 or below ranked pass blocking vs #14 ranking passing and #5 ranked receiving. Our QB and WRs are overcoming poor blocking every week?
3. Our receiving may be #5 ranked, but out receivers are DK #27, Lockett #34, Bobo #43, Fant #87, Dissly #142, JSN #159. So we are a top receiving team without top receivers?
4. Our run defense suffered without Nowasu, can we move Jones to fill his role? Frank Clark isn't doing it, and Taylor can't do it.

 

[CallMeADawg]

PFF isn't the Holy Grail of data. They get a lot wrong and are best used for getting a rough idea of what's going on. I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that data.

 

[AK49Hawk]

Whaaat? 6 NFC teams in the top 10 vs 4 AFC teams, not sure what kind algorithm PFF uses but the NFC is a hot mess this year compared to the AFC.

 

[acctingman]

Can a 9-8 team in the NFC make the playoffs this year?

 

[CallMeADawg]

Can a 9-8 team in the NFC make the playoffs this year?

With the way things are going so far an 8-9 team might.

 

[James in PA]

Can a 9-8 team in the NFC make the playoffs this year?

If it's anything like MLB, a 9-8 wildcard team is practically a lock to make the Owl, while the 14-3 teams sit home and watch.

 

[toffee]

Seahawks Notebook: Carroll on Jason Peters, Dre Jones, injuries

Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll shared his thoughts on veteran O-lineman Jason Peters, D-lineman Dre Jones' usage and more.

sports.mynorthwest.com

OK, see article above, Carroll is moving Jones to play edge, we help Taylor and hopefully improve our run defense.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Seahawks Notebook: Carroll on Jason Peters, Dre Jones, injuries

Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll shared his thoughts on veteran O-lineman Jason Peters, D-lineman Dre Jones' usage and more.

sports.mynorthwest.com

OK, see article above, Carroll is moving Jones to play edge, we help Taylor and hopefully improve our run defense.

I mentioned this in another thread. Jones played about 50/50 interior vs edge against Washington and did pretty well. Even got a sack. More of Jones at edge means more Reed and Williams combo which is a very good thing.

 

[renofox]

Something may not be right on these PFF gradings:

1. Our consistently #7 ranked run blocking vs #12 rank rushing, something wrong with our backs or plays? Holes were there but backs not using them?
2. Our consistently #20 or below ranked pass blocking vs #14 ranking passing and #5 ranked receiving. Our QB and WRs are overcoming poor blocking every week?
3. Our receiving may be #5 ranked, but out receivers are DK #27, Lockett #34, Bobo #43, Fant #87, Dissly #142, JSN #159. So we are a top receiving team without top receivers?
4. Our run defense suffered without Nowasu, can we move Jones to fill his role? Frank Clark isn't doing it, and Taylor can't do it.

Your only mistake is expecting PFF grades to make sense. Sometimes they do, but most times not.

 

[toffee]

I mentioned this in another thread. Jones played about 50/50 interior vs edge against Washington and did pretty well. Even got a sack. More of Jones at edge means more Reed and Williams combo which is a very good thing.

I totally agree with ya, and we have Myles Adam and Cam Young to backup Williams and Reed.

 

[toffee]

Your only mistake is expecting PFF grades to make sense. Sometimes they do, but most times not.

True. PFF of the world should be one of the data points and not bible.

On the run blocking, it's interesting that some analysts have critique that K9 not using the holes, which sort of corresponded to PFF's ratings. You know what didn't make sense? Our OL has ok run blocking grades, but our linemen all got substandard run blocking grades.

 

[olyfan63]

True. PFF of the world should be one of the data points and not bible.

On the run blocking, it's interesting that some analysts have critique that K9 not using the holes, which sort of corresponded to PFF's ratings. You know what didn't make sense? Our OL has ok run blocking grades, but our linemen all got substandard run blocking grades.

So it must be the coaching, right? The whole is greater than the sum of the parts?

 

[toffee]

So it must be the coaching, right? The whole is greater than the sum of the parts?

Based on PFF, it seems to be? I don't know enough football to draw any conclusions. What's your take?

 

[knownone]

Something may not be right on these PFF gradings:

1. Our consistently #7 ranked run blocking vs #12 rank rushing, something wrong with our backs or plays? Holes were there but backs not using them?
2. Our consistently #20 or below ranked pass blocking vs #14 ranking passing and #5 ranked receiving. Our QB and WRs are overcoming poor blocking every week?
3. Our receiving may be #5 ranked, but out receivers are DK #27, Lockett #34, Bobo #43, Fant #87, Dissly #142, JSN #159. So we are a top receiving team without top receivers?
4. Our run defense suffered without Nowasu, can we move Jones to fill his role? Frank Clark isn't doing it, and Taylor can't do it.

PFF RBLK grades are only tangentially related to the effectiveness of the running game. They are basically asking whether the lineman met a specific criteria off the snap. That doesn't always translate to an effective running game.

 

[AK49Hawk]

So it must be the coaching, right? The whole is greater than the sum of the parts?

Chad Morton is the Seahawks run game coordinator/running backs coach,
hired as a special teams assistant in 2014. Morton graduated from USC, so it’s probably safe to say he’s part of Pete’s good ol’boys club…

 

[keasley45]

Chad Morton is the Seahawks run game coordinator/running backs coach,
hired as a special teams assistant in 2014. Morton graduated from USC, so it’s probably safe to say he’s part of Pete’s good ol’boys club…

Chad Morton has been involved in the running game for 7 years and has been helping coordinate some pretty successful years.

You want to understand what's wrong with our run game? We haven't committed enough to it. And when we run, it's telegraphed. The plays are not diverse. Not enough runs from under center. Not enough power. RPO doesn't work unless the qb occassionally runs. And we have a lead back that likes to bounce outside more than any other in the league. Stopping K9 for a defense isn't hard to do when you know that all you have to do is close down the middle enough to force him outside, where you stack the edge. It's why NOT using Charbs is borderline idiocy. It's shown that when he gets totes inside, he gets yards.

Waldron needs to grow as an OC.

 

[morgulon1]

Chad Morton is the Seahawks run game coordinator/running backs coach,
hired as a special teams assistant in 2014. Morton graduated from USC, so it’s probably safe to say he’s part of Pete’s good ol’boys club…

Yeah he probably goes into an Applebee's and tries to pick up women with the " yeah I'm a coach for the Seahawks"

 

[xray]

Too early to brag or fret over rankings . imo