Only stat that matters is he was 5-0 with 2 of them being late 4th quarter comebacks, he just needs to get better in the redzone too many times they had to settle for a field goal inside the 10, Gould hit like 18 field goals in those 5 games
He’d better improve that ratio or he will be mediocre at best.SF49r":3qwoafki said:Only stat that matters is he was 5-0 with 2 of them being late 4th quarter comebacks, he just needs to get better in the redzone too many times they had to settle for a field goal inside the 10, Gould hit like 18 field goals in those 5 games
BirdsCommaAngry":2e0bfhj7 said:I don't know, Popeye. Even with the on-going influx of inflating contracts, increasing caps, and the incredible amount of cap space the '9ers have, this seems off. It seems like a move made by someone more concerned with butts in seats than taking calculated risks to build advantages over the rest of the league. It was similar to what so many other teams do, like a move that'll help the 49ers rejoin the plethora of playoff and playoff hopeful teams but perhaps not surpass them. In a word, it was safe. If I'm a '9er fan and feeling on the brink of some good seasons to come, I'd have hoped for more than safe.
Look at the numbers before and after Garoppolo got there. It's staggering. Here's the link Popeye provided (https://s6.postimg.org/jjxo0mm8x/BJG.jpg).theincrediblesok":bbv9c3ec said:Am I the only one that thinks Jimmy G is overrated? 6 TD passing, 1 Rushing TD to 5 INT in 5 games, that don't scream anything special to me. I guess we will see this next season if they hit the jackpot, or took a hit on too many pots.
I will give him that he can move the chains and sets up his Running backs who can actually score in the red zone and has a kicker that actually won a game for them.
We need a red zone target bad, too many small quick receivers.. Jimmy Graham plsSports Hernia":242jmqpi said:He’d better improve that ratio or he will be mediocre at best.SF49r":242jmqpi said:Only stat that matters is he was 5-0 with 2 of them being late 4th quarter comebacks, he just needs to get better in the redzone too many times they had to settle for a field goal inside the 10, Gould hit like 18 field goals in those 5 games
As long as Bevell isn’t your OC, I think “I’m Jimmy” would beast down there.SF49r":2nepubfn said:We need a red zone target bad, too many small quick receivers.. Jimmy Graham plsSports Hernia":2nepubfn said:He’d better improve that ratio or he will be mediocre at best.SF49r":2nepubfn said:Only stat that matters is he was 5-0 with 2 of them being late 4th quarter comebacks, he just needs to get better in the redzone too many times they had to settle for a field goal inside the 10, Gould hit like 18 field goals in those 5 games
Sports Hernia":8eioknlm said:He’d better improve that ratio or he will be mediocre at best.SF49r":8eioknlm said:Only stat that matters is he was 5-0 with 2 of them being late 4th quarter comebacks, he just needs to get better in the redzone too many times they had to settle for a field goal inside the 10, Gould hit like 18 field goals in those 5 games
Popeyejones":25ds4ukt said:BirdsCommaAngry":25ds4ukt said:I don't know, Popeye. Even with the on-going influx of inflating contracts, increasing caps, and the incredible amount of cap space the '9ers have, this seems off. It seems like a move made by someone more concerned with butts in seats than taking calculated risks to build advantages over the rest of the league. It was similar to what so many other teams do, like a move that'll help the 49ers rejoin the plethora of playoff and playoff hopeful teams but perhaps not surpass them. In a word, it was safe. If I'm a '9er fan and feeling on the brink of some good seasons to come, I'd have hoped for more than safe.
What would you have done? (Real question)
Safe to me would have been slapping him with the franchise tag, not signing him long term.
BirdsCommaAngry":2fgkv3d8 said:Popeyejones":2fgkv3d8 said:BirdsCommaAngry":2fgkv3d8 said:I don't know, Popeye. Even with the on-going influx of inflating contracts, increasing caps, and the incredible amount of cap space the '9ers have, this seems off. It seems like a move made by someone more concerned with butts in seats than taking calculated risks to build advantages over the rest of the league. It was similar to what so many other teams do, like a move that'll help the 49ers rejoin the plethora of playoff and playoff hopeful teams but perhaps not surpass them. In a word, it was safe. If I'm a '9er fan and feeling on the brink of some good seasons to come, I'd have hoped for more than safe.
What would you have done? (Real question)
Safe to me would have been slapping him with the franchise tag, not signing him long term.
Try to sign him for less. Even with the simple perspective of a fan, SF looks like an incredible opportunity to work with a seemingly exceptional offensive mind and to be the hero of a previously down-trodden franchise. Why would Jimmy G. need this much of a financial incentive to stay?
JimmyG":2zu4n8lc said:Look at the numbers before and after Garoppolo got there. It's staggering. Here's the link Popeye provided (https://s6.postimg.org/jjxo0mm8x/BJG.jpg).theincrediblesok":2zu4n8lc said:Am I the only one that thinks Jimmy G is overrated? 6 TD passing, 1 Rushing TD to 5 INT in 5 games, that don't scream anything special to me. I guess we will see this next season if they hit the jackpot, or took a hit on too many pots.
I will give him that he can move the chains and sets up his Running backs who can actually score in the red zone and has a kicker that actually won a game for them.
Look at his supporting cast. The receivers the 49ers were running out there the second half of the season were pathetic. Kendrick Bourne (UDFA)? Aldrick Robinson? Louis Murphy? Trent Taylor? Marquis Goodwin was a Buffalo castoff and he looked like a star in the second half of the season. I agree his TD/INT numbers were underwhelming, but his overall efficiency -- and the offense has a whole -- was astounding. It's also hard to ignore that he inherited a 1-10 team and finished with five straight wins.
What is his production going to look like with a real supporting cast? They could sign a guy like Allen Robinson, and suddenly go into next season with Pierre Garcon, Allen Robinson, Marquis Goodwin, and Trent Taylor. Also, Garoppolo had been with the 49ers for what -- a month before he got there? The system New England ran was completely different than what Shanahan runs. Imagine a real supporting cast, plus a full offseason to digest and master Shanahan's system.
They paid a ton, but that's sort of par for the course with QBs these days. I think it takes a pretty cynical lens to not be impressed by what he accomplished. The NFC West is suddenly looking like it has a lot of competition again.
BirdsCommaAngry":3qw1wsu4 said:QuickLightning":3qw1wsu4 said:I'm guessing a lot of you didn't watch him play. He absolutely earned every dime of that contract. He's easily one of the most natural looking pocket passers in the league. No, he's not a Rodgers or a Manning, but he easily looks as good as Matt Ryan.
It's not that he didn't look good. It's that you couldn't get him for less due to him having only started half a season. It was a chance to possibly get an excellent player inked to a more advantageous contract for the rest of the team - for winning a championship.
Marvin49":nro7rcud said:Honestly, this just ain't how it works.
Jimmys agent knew if they didn't sign him to a long term deal they'd have to franchise him. Means the START point is the value of the tag.
If you add up tagging a player three times its going to be roughly 80-90 mil...which is the value of Jimmys contract in the first 3 years.
It is structured however to be front-loaded (since they have so much space now) so that in a few years they could cut him with relatively little dead money. If he is what they think he is, a huge portion is paid out in the first few years which leaves them with the ability to resign some guys when their rookie contracts expire. Most contracts for QBs get bigger and bigger in later years of the deal. Jimmys deal is huge in year 1, much smaller in year 2, and then pretty stable in years 3-5...meaning it doesn't increase with the cap as many others are.
Bottom line, Jimmy was simply next. Thats the way this works. People always get up in arms about what a guy is "worth". Thats bogus. Doesn't work that way. Whatever halfway decent QB is next in line will get the biggest deal. Jimmys status as highest paid player won't even survive the offseason. He'll fall to the 2nd or 3rd spot before Kickoff on opening day.
When Jimmy is makin' 26 mil or so in a few years, Wilson will sign his contract and it'll likely be way north of 30.
BirdsCommaAngry":29aal45k said:Popeyejones":29aal45k said:BirdsCommaAngry":29aal45k said:I don't know, Popeye. Even with the on-going influx of inflating contracts, increasing caps, and the incredible amount of cap space the '9ers have, this seems off. It seems like a move made by someone more concerned with butts in seats than taking calculated risks to build advantages over the rest of the league. It was similar to what so many other teams do, like a move that'll help the 49ers rejoin the plethora of playoff and playoff hopeful teams but perhaps not surpass them. In a word, it was safe. If I'm a '9er fan and feeling on the brink of some good seasons to come, I'd have hoped for more than safe.
What would you have done? (Real question)
Safe to me would have been slapping him with the franchise tag, not signing him long term.
Try to sign him for less.
Kap looked good against Chicago, then the very next week started to look more like the Kap of today. HE never changed much. What changed was Randy Moss and Delanie Walker left, Vernon Davis got old, Anthony Davis retired to smoke weed, Mike Iupati and Frank Gore left, Ted Ginn left, Mario Manningham left, Alex Boone left, Jonathan Goodwin retired, Bruce Miller got cut, and so on.2_0_6":32wffre8 said:Kap sure looked good in filling in for Smith. Im sure you guys remember that guy.
:lol:
Rodgers also got extended after 7 starts. That seemed to work out.2_0_6":k9mhq7qm said:Marvin49":k9mhq7qm said:2_0_6":k9mhq7qm said:Kap sure looked good in filling in for Smith. Im sure you guys remember that guy.
:lol:
Fair, but I don't think even Seahawks fans here would say they think he'll be Kap.
You can say what you want about the money and its ludicrous, but thats the cost of doing business. It is what it is. Washington tried to fight it for several years and ended up losing the guy and trading for a guy 3 or 4 years older who isn't as good and them paying HIM what you wouldn't pay the other guy to start with.
Niners don't sign players to dumb contracts. Say what you want but they a smart about contract structure.
It'll be front loaded and they'll be able to get out of it if need be.
Eight games into Kap's career he looked like the next biggest superstar, and where are we at with jimmy? 8 games in, that's all Im saying.
Then you haven’t watched the film.chris98251":23dmmqfw said: