I provided stats for context to highlight why his traditional numbers are misleading; most people know where he ranks in those areas. They've been referenced numerous times in this thread; some are even in my prior messages to you.So you leave out every traditional stat and red zone numbers, third down success, touchdowns, ints, poor decision throws(turnover worthy throws), passer rating etc and then claim people arguing Russ isn’t trash are the biased ones? Help me make sense of this. You’re cherry picking stats just as much as anyone else is and claiming moral high ground on the issue is intellectually dishonest.
Bottom line. Russ is better than most and is having a decent year. Why that’s so hard for some people to accept is beyond me.
But fine so if Seattle is 7-7 after this next guantlet are you prepared to say Geno sucks too then? I think it’s a bad argument but you used it so why not use it for everyone?
As for the other stats. I don't place much value on passer rating. Seattle and Denver's RZ scoring is virtually identical. And while Geno's third-down numbers are not good, he's significantly more efficient on all other downs. For example, Dropback SR evaluates how successful the QB is at staying on schedule in the passing game (getting 1st downs), starting on 1st down through 3rd down. Geno is ranked 6th @ 50%. Wilson is ranked 18th @ 45%. Standard SR is similar; Geno is 9th, while Wilson is 17th. So, I don't put much stock into 3D% because it tells me nothing about what the offense has done on the other downs.
Furthermore, my comment about bias involves your dismissal of the Broncos' O-Line and relative talent level on offense. For some reason—no matter where Russell is—some people act like his supporting cast is on par with East Wichita State. Here, you claimed that Denver's talent was much worse, and when challenged, you did not attempt to dispute the claim other than to dismiss it outright. For example, when I mentioned that Denver is 8th O-Line and Seattle is 30th (PFF), you dismissed the Broncos' O-Line as decent. Maybe bias is too much of a loaded term, and I should have used something else.
It's hard for people to accept because you created a false inevitability. In this thread, you continue to argue that there is only one possible viewpoint on Russell's performance, and anyone who doesn't accept that viewpoint is either goofy or beyond you.
And, if Geno's terrible, I have no issue saying he's terrible. I've done it multiple times this year.