The Circle of NO responsibility

[JayhawkMike]

Round and round we go.

Russell Wilson has a bad, bad game yesterday. Everyone but john63 can see that. Horrible QBR. Missed chances. Etc etc. the loss is his fault. BUT WAIT

Russell Wilson ONLY played like crap because he didn’t have time to throw because of an O line that has been ignored for years so the loss is on the O Line BUT WAIT

The o line was drafted or assembled by Schneider and PC who have traditionally ignored those needs and/or completely misspent all sorts of cap space last summer so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

A bad o line can be game planned for by Schotty with a different set of plays which he completely failed to do so the loss is on him BUT WAIT

Schotty doesn’t get to call the plays he wants because PC has forced him into calling plays that worked 8 years ago with different personnel and a different league so the loss is on PC. BUT WAIT

The coaches aren’t on the field so it is on the players to execute the plays and not the coaches so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The GM and Coach are the ones that picked the players that played yesterday and they picked poorly so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The ownership is okay with postseason mediocrity because they sit by and watch PC and JS fail and should know the only way they are getting back to the Super Bowl is by buying a ticket. BUT WAIT

There is a team on the other side of the ball who wanted it more and had better players apparently even at QB so the loss on on them.

So, No one is responsible. No changes will be made. Only this time I think we will avoid Groundhogs day 2022 by not making the playoffs. Sad.

Hey you guys remember Marty Schottenheimr being fired by the Chargers after going 14-2? Publicly it was for a spat with the GM but the fans all thought it was because Schotty had a loooong history of sucking in the playoffs. Hmmm.

 

[PNW]

Great post. No sunshine pushing, rainbow loving, kumbaya drum circle.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This organization has obviously plateaued.

It's a successful high plateau, but for a team that has ambitions of being more than just an above average team that gets bounced in the first or second round of the playoffs every year, this is not good enough.

The problem is Pete will never do what it would take for this team to truly take the next step, which is give up full control of the offense in order to attract the type of dynamic O-Coordinator that would really get the most out of one of the most talented offensive rosters I'm the league.

Slow, plodding, predictable, basic....that's very easy to stop by good defenses, of which is every defense once you get into the playoffs.

So there's no circle of responsibility, this is a dictatorship, begins and ends with Pete.

 

[tersal]

Round and round we go.

Russell Wilson has a bad, bad game yesterday. Everyone but john63 can see that. Horrible QBR. Missed chances. Etc etc. the loss is his fault. BUT WAIT

Russell Wilson ONLY played like crap because he didn’t have time to throw because of an O line that has been ignored for years so the loss is on the O Line BUT WAIT

The o line was drafted or assembled by Schneider and PC who have traditionally ignored those needs and/or completely misspent all sorts of cap space last summer so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

A bad o line can be game planned for by Schotty with a different set of plays which he completely failed to do so the loss is on him BUT WAIT

Schotty doesn’t get to call the plays he wants because PC has forced him into calling plays that worked 8 years ago with different personnel and a different league so the loss is on PC. BUT WAIT

The coaches aren’t on the field so it is on the players to execute the plays and not the coaches so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The GM and Coach are the ones that picked the players that played yesterday and they picked poorly so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The ownership is okay with postseason mediocrity because they sit by and watch PC and JS fail and should know the only way they are getting back to the Super Bowl is by buying a ticket. BUT WAIT

There is a team on the other side of the ball who wanted it more and had better players apparently even at QB so the loss on on them.

So, No one is responsible. No changes will be made. Only this time I think we will avoid Groundhogs day 2022 by not making the playoffs. Sad.

Hey you guys remember Marty Schottenheimr being fired by the Chargers after going 14-2? Publicly it was for a spat with the GM but the fans all thought it was because Schotty had a loooong history of sucking in the playoffs. Hmmm.

The loss was on the offense not just the QB any one watching could see pass protection was horrendous yet they did not choose to run the ball more which was working. Primarily the Rams D-Line took it to the Seahawks O-Line.
That was the biggest story to me.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Pete has a system that makes teams look better than they are.

So part is just misplaced expectations. However, when you have a QB the caliber of Wilson the expectations should be high.

Pete isn't able to compete with coaches that evenly match his personnel though. So when it hits the playoffs, and there is no personnel advantage, Pete is going to struggle. He not only won't recognize matchups to exploit, he won't curtail it when others are doing it to him.

He will stick to a plan because it worked for him before. But if it does not work, he will plow ahead with it blindly because that is all he has.

He is not a playoff caliber tactician. He relies on out-athleting the other team. Ask USC fans how many times he fell short of a national championship because he lost to a team like Oregon State. This is his history.

And because he cannot adapt or adjust, he certainly is not going to do introspection. Why bother if you would never fix anything?

Pete takes credit for things. He takes control. He rarely takes responsibility. So he rarely feels the impetus to change.

 

[irfuben32]

Pete has a system that makes teams look better than they are.

So part is just misplaced expectations. However, when you have a QB the caliber of Wilson the expectations should be high.

Pete isn't able to compete with coaches that evenly match his personnel though. So when it hits the playoffs, and there is no personnel advantage, Pete is going to struggle. He not only won't recognize matchups to exploit, he won't curtail it when others are doing it to him.

He will stick to a plan because it worked for him before. But if it does not work, he will plow ahead with it blindly because that is all he has.

He is not a playoff caliber tactician. He relies on out-athleting the other team. Ask USC fans how many times he fell short of a national championship because he lost to a team like Oregon State. This is his history.

And because he cannot adapt or adjust, he certainly is not going to do introspection. Why bother if you would never fix anything?

Pete takes credit for things. He takes control. He rarely takes responsibility. So he rarely feels the impetus to change.

I agree 100%

 

[TraderGary]

This organization has obviously plateaued.

It's a successful high plateau, but for a team that has ambitions of being more than just an above average team that gets bounced in the first or second round of the playoffs every year, this is not good enough.

The problem is Pete will never do what it would take for this team to truly take the next step, which is give up full control of the offense in order to attract the type of dynamic O-Coordinator that would really get the most out of one of the most talented offensive rosters I'm the league.

Slow, plodding, predictable, basic....that's very easy to stop by good defenses, of which is every defense once you get into the playoffs.

So there's no circle of responsibility, this is a dictatorship, begins and ends with Pete.

Agree 100%. There's some blame to go around, but the primary issue begins and ends with Pete.

 

[Jerhawk]

This organization has obviously plateaued.

It's a successful high plateau, but for a team that has ambitions of being more than just an above average team that gets bounced in the first or second round of the playoffs every year, this is not good enough.

The problem is Pete will never do what it would take for this team to truly take the next step, which is give up full control of the offense in order to attract the type of dynamic O-Coordinator that would really get the most out of one of the most talented offensive rosters I'm the league.

Slow, plodding, predictable, basic....that's very easy to stop by good defenses, of which is every defense once you get into the playoffs.

So there's no circle of responsibility, this is a dictatorship, begins and ends with Pete.

:ditto: Very well said. I agree completely.

Just a few weeks ago I was still one of Pete's hype men. But seeing the total faceplant in the playoffs yesterday changed my mind. We do need to shake things up.

 

[LTH]

Round and round we go.

Russell Wilson has a bad, bad game yesterday. Everyone but john63 can see that. Horrible QBR. Missed chances. Etc etc. the loss is his fault. BUT WAIT

Russell Wilson ONLY played like crap because he didn’t have time to throw because of an O line that has been ignored for years so the loss is on the O Line BUT WAIT

The o line was drafted or assembled by Schneider and PC who have traditionally ignored those needs and/or completely misspent all sorts of cap space last summer so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

A bad o line can be game planned for by Schotty with a different set of plays which he completely failed to do so the loss is on him BUT WAIT

Schotty doesn’t get to call the plays he wants because PC has forced him into calling plays that worked 8 years ago with different personnel and a different league so the loss is on PC. BUT WAIT

The coaches aren’t on the field so it is on the players to execute the plays and not the coaches so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The GM and Coach are the ones that picked the players that played yesterday and they picked poorly so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The ownership is okay with postseason mediocrity because they sit by and watch PC and JS fail and should know the only way they are getting back to the Super Bowl is by buying a ticket. BUT WAIT

There is a team on the other side of the ball who wanted it more and had better players apparently even at QB so the loss on on them.

So, No one is responsible. No changes will be made. Only this time I think we will avoid Groundhogs day 2022 by not making the playoffs. Sad.

Hey you guys remember Marty Schottenheimr being fired by the Chargers after going 14-2? Publicly it was for a spat with the GM but the fans all thought it was because Schotty had a loooong history of sucking in the playoffs. Hmmm.

LOL Love your creativity...don't agree with everything but thats an awesome post..


LTH

 

[Maelstrom787]

Seems a lot of people here think the concept of SHARED responsibility is equivalent to NO responsibility.

There isn't a single scapegoat here. Pete didn't call a great game, Schottenheimer couldn't adjust the playcalling to mitigate execution issues in all facets of the offense, the defense couldn't hold on long enough when the offense kept giving LA the ball back, Russ had a terrible game, and DJ Reed can't hold onto the ball.

Plenty of blame to go around, which upsets people who can't approach football with a nuanced point of view and need a singular scapegoat to kick into the pit of misery.

Also, the Chargers were dumb to fire Marty Schottenheimer. Let's not gloss over that. They immediately got worse after doing so and had no additional postseason success.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Seems a lot of people here think the concept of SHARED responsibility is equivalent to NO responsibility.

There isn't a single scapegoat here. Pete didn't call a great game, Schottenheimer couldn't adjust the playcalling to mitigate execution issues in all facets of the offense, the defense couldn't hold on long enough when the offense kept giving LA the ball back, Russ had a terrible game, and DJ Reed can't hold onto the ball.

Plenty of blame to go around, which upsets people who can't approach football with a nuanced point of view and need a singular scapegoat to kick into the pit of misery.

Also, the Chargers were dumb to fire Marty Schottenheimer. Let's not gloss over that. They immediately got worse after doing so and had no additional postseason success.

You're talking about the game, we're talking about the future and organization as a whole and what that looks like.

What it looks like is what it's looked like for the past 4-5 years. That should be a sobering thing for everyone.....this is the pinnacle of the rest of Pete and Russell's tenure, good but never again great.

Nuance and scapegoating has nothing to do with it. This is it, enjoy being above average and don't have expectations beyond this.

 

[SonicHawk]

I think even Russ's most ardent supporters (me) would agree that he was bad yesterday and had been bad for quite a few weeks. Where we lay blame is just different. Sure, he should own a great deal of it, but this team is coached like it has a great defense and we're average at best.

We used to sling the ball all around the field. Now it's a between the tackles run and a moonshot to a covered DK. More screens, more quick passes, more Carson to the outside, more interesting formations, more play action with designed roll outs.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Seems a lot of people here think the concept of SHARED responsibility is equivalent to NO responsibility.

There isn't a single scapegoat here. Pete didn't call a great game, Schottenheimer couldn't adjust the playcalling to mitigate execution issues in all facets of the offense, the defense couldn't hold on long enough when the offense kept giving LA the ball back, Russ had a terrible game, and DJ Reed can't hold onto the ball.

Plenty of blame to go around, which upsets people who can't approach football with a nuanced point of view and need a singular scapegoat to kick into the pit of misery.

Also, the Chargers were dumb to fire Marty Schottenheimer. Let's not gloss over that. They immediately got worse after doing so and had no additional postseason success.

You're talking about the game, we're talking about the future and organization as a whole and what that looks like.

What it looks like is what it's looked like for the past 4-5 years. That should be a sobering thing for everyone.....this is the pinnacle of the rest of Pete and Russell's tenure, good but never again great.

Nuance and scapegoating has nothing to do with it. This is it, enjoy being above average and don't have expectations beyond this.

The entire first half of the OP was most referencing the game, though. I suppose I should have quoted it to make it more clear I was responding specifically to that.

I think its far more likely that Pete and Co. recapture some of the early-2020 magic, sustain it, and win another championship. The alternative blow-it-up method is far more likely to result in worse results than it is better results.

That's beside the point, though. As far as responsibility for the wall they hit in the playoffs year after year, I think there's plenty to go around.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Pete has a system that makes teams look better than they are.

So part is just misplaced expectations. However, when you have a QB the caliber of Wilson the expectations should be high.

Pete isn't able to compete with coaches that evenly match his personnel though. So when it hits the playoffs, and there is no personnel advantage, Pete is going to struggle. He not only won't recognize matchups to exploit, he won't curtail it when others are doing it to him.

He will stick to a plan because it worked for him before. But if it does not work, he will plow ahead with it blindly because that is all he has.

He is not a playoff caliber tactician. He relies on out-athleting the other team. Ask USC fans how many times he fell short of a national championship because he lost to a team like Oregon State. This is his history.

And because he cannot adapt or adjust, he certainly is not going to do introspection. Why bother if you would never fix anything?

Pete takes credit for things. He takes control. He rarely takes responsibility. So he rarely feels the impetus to change.

So much agreement from me here!

 

[keasley45]

Round and round we go.

Russell Wilson has a bad, bad game yesterday. Everyone but john63 can see that. Horrible QBR. Missed chances. Etc etc. the loss is his fault. BUT WAIT

Russell Wilson ONLY played like crap because he didn’t have time to throw because of an O line that has been ignored for years so the loss is on the O Line BUT WAIT

The o line was drafted or assembled by Schneider and PC who have traditionally ignored those needs and/or completely misspent all sorts of cap space last summer so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

A bad o line can be game planned for by Schotty with a different set of plays which he completely failed to do so the loss is on him BUT WAIT

Schotty doesn’t get to call the plays he wants because PC has forced him into calling plays that worked 8 years ago with different personnel and a different league so the loss is on PC. BUT WAIT

The coaches aren’t on the field so it is on the players to execute the plays and not the coaches so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The GM and Coach are the ones that picked the players that played yesterday and they picked poorly so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The ownership is okay with postseason mediocrity because they sit by and watch PC and JS fail and should know the only way they are getting back to the Super Bowl is by buying a ticket. BUT WAIT

There is a team on the other side of the ball who wanted it more and had better players apparently even at QB so the loss on on them.

So, No one is responsible. No changes will be made. Only this time I think we will avoid Groundhogs day 2022 by not making the playoffs. Sad.

Hey you guys remember Marty Schottenheimr being fired by the Chargers after going 14-2? Publicly it was for a spat with the GM but the fans all thought it was because Schotty had a loooong history of sucking in the playoffs. Hmmm.

The narrative about the line being so abysmal is tired. They finished the season 14th, better than middle of the pack in pass pro. You know who was worse? The steelers.

Yet the steelers gave up 14 sacks all year. 14.
Seattle? We gave up 48. Solid talent up front and we gave up 48 sacks.

Why? Because Ben Roethlisberger gets the ball out when it's supposed to come out.

Yet the Russ apologists will swing between the fault lying with PC and his mandates. Then the o-line because they actually do look bad for all the sacks - but they cant make Russ throw the ball.. And if not the o-line, then Schotty. But never ever the guy with with a RB brhind him who yesterday averaged almost 5.0 YPC, who has had wr's running free but chooses not to hit them, and has better blocking than half the league... no. That guy... it has nothing to do with him.

 

[John63]

Round and round we go.

Russell Wilson has a bad, bad game yesterday. Everyone but john63 can see that. Horrible QBR. Missed chances. Etc etc. the loss is his fault. BUT WAIT

Russell Wilson ONLY played like crap because he didn’t have time to throw because of an O line that has been ignored for years so the loss is on the O Line BUT WAIT

The o line was drafted or assembled by Schneider and PC who have traditionally ignored those needs and/or completely misspent all sorts of cap space last summer so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

A bad o line can be game planned for by Schotty with a different set of plays which he completely failed to do so the loss is on him BUT WAIT

Schotty doesn’t get to call the plays he wants because PC has forced him into calling plays that worked 8 years ago with different personnel and a different league so the loss is on PC. BUT WAIT

The coaches aren’t on the field so it is on the players to execute the plays and not the coaches so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The GM and Coach are the ones that picked the players that played yesterday and they picked poorly so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The ownership is okay with postseason mediocrity because they sit by and watch PC and JS fail and should know the only way they are getting back to the Super Bowl is by buying a ticket. BUT WAIT

There is a team on the other side of the ball who wanted it more and had better players apparently even at QB so the loss on on them.

So, No one is responsible. No changes will be made. Only this time I think we will avoid Groundhogs day 2022 by not making the playoffs. Sad.

Hey you guys remember Marty Schottenheimr being fired by the Chargers after going 14-2? Publicly it was for a spat with the GM but the fans all thought it was because Schotty had a loooong history of sucking in the playoffs. Hmmm.

The narrative about the line being so abysmal is tired. They finished the season 14th, better than middle of the pack in pass pro. You know who was worse? The steelers.

Yet the steelers gave up 14 sacks all year. 14.
Seattle? We gave up 48. Solid talent up front and we gave up 48 sacks.

Why? Because Ben Roethlisberger gets the ball out when it's supposed to come out.

Yet the Russ apologists will swing between the fault lying with PC and his mandates. Then the o-line because they actually do look bad for all the sacks - but they cant make Russ throw the ball.. And if not the o-line, then Schotty. But never ever the guy with with a RB brhind him who yesterday averaged almost 5.0 YPC, who has had wr's running free but chooses not to hit them, and has better blocking than half the league... no. That guy... it has nothing to do with him.

And the. There's u who wants to blame him for the rain. As I have said he played bad. The difference is we understand it was not just him and FYI. Since you said the were 15th care to post the link? Cause till then u made it up.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Seems a lot of people here think the concept of SHARED responsibility is equivalent to NO responsibility.

There isn't a single scapegoat here. Pete didn't call a great game, Schottenheimer couldn't adjust the playcalling to mitigate execution issues in all facets of the offense, the defense couldn't hold on long enough when the offense kept giving LA the ball back, Russ had a terrible game, and DJ Reed can't hold onto the ball.

Plenty of blame to go around, which upsets people who can't approach football with a nuanced point of view and need a singular scapegoat to kick into the pit of misery.

Also, the Chargers were dumb to fire Marty Schottenheimer. Let's not gloss over that. They immediately got worse after doing so and had no additional postseason success.

You're talking about the game, we're talking about the future and organization as a whole and what that looks like.

What it looks like is what it's looked like for the past 4-5 years. That should be a sobering thing for everyone.....this is the pinnacle of the rest of Pete and Russell's tenure, good but never again great.

Nuance and scapegoating has nothing to do with it. This is it, enjoy being above average and don't have expectations beyond this.

The entire first half of the OP was most referencing the game, though. I suppose I should have quoted it to make it more clear I was responding specifically to that.

I think its far more likely that Pete and Co. recapture some of the early-2020 magic, sustain it, and win another championship. The alternative blow-it-up method is far more likely to result in worse results than it is better results.

That's beside the point, though. As far as responsibility for the wall they hit in the playoffs year after year, I think there's plenty to go around.

I certainly am not in the blow it up camp.

I am in the Pete needs to give up control of the offense in order to attract the type of young dynamic coordinator that could maximize the potential of the roster talent and Russell.

But this is a non starter dead horse conversation, we all know Pete would never do that.

 

[keasley45]

I think even Russ's most ardent supporters (me) would agree that he was bad yesterday and had been bad for quite a few weeks. Where we lay blame is just different. Sure, he should own a great deal of it, but this team is coached like it has a great defense and we're average at best.

We used to sling the ball all around the field. Now it's a between the tackles run and a moonshot to a covered DK. More screens, more quick passes, more Carson to the outside, more interesting formations, more play action with designed roll outs.

Watch the tape. Often, the offense is called to do just what you are asking for and the qb chooses to hold the ball in favor of the long completion.

 

[keasley45]

Round and round we go.

Russell Wilson has a bad, bad game yesterday. Everyone but john63 can see that. Horrible QBR. Missed chances. Etc etc. the loss is his fault. BUT WAIT

Russell Wilson ONLY played like crap because he didn’t have time to throw because of an O line that has been ignored for years so the loss is on the O Line BUT WAIT

The o line was drafted or assembled by Schneider and PC who have traditionally ignored those needs and/or completely misspent all sorts of cap space last summer so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

A bad o line can be game planned for by Schotty with a different set of plays which he completely failed to do so the loss is on him BUT WAIT

Schotty doesn’t get to call the plays he wants because PC has forced him into calling plays that worked 8 years ago with different personnel and a different league so the loss is on PC. BUT WAIT

The coaches aren’t on the field so it is on the players to execute the plays and not the coaches so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The GM and Coach are the ones that picked the players that played yesterday and they picked poorly so the loss is on them BUT WAIT

The ownership is okay with postseason mediocrity because they sit by and watch PC and JS fail and should know the only way they are getting back to the Super Bowl is by buying a ticket. BUT WAIT

There is a team on the other side of the ball who wanted it more and had better players apparently even at QB so the loss on on them.

So, No one is responsible. No changes will be made. Only this time I think we will avoid Groundhogs day 2022 by not making the playoffs. Sad.

Hey you guys remember Marty Schottenheimr being fired by the Chargers after going 14-2? Publicly it was for a spat with the GM but the fans all thought it was because Schotty had a loooong history of sucking in the playoffs. Hmmm.

The narrative about the line being so abysmal is tired. They finished the season 14th, better than middle of the pack in pass pro. You know who was worse? The steelers.

Yet the steelers gave up 14 sacks all year. 14.
Seattle? We gave up 48. Solid talent up front and we gave up 48 sacks.

Why? Because Ben Roethlisberger gets the ball out when it's supposed to come out.

Yet the Russ apologists will swing between the fault lying with PC and his mandates. Then the o-line because they actually do look bad for all the sacks - but they cant make Russ throw the ball.. And if not the o-line, then Schotty. But never ever the guy with with a RB brhind him who yesterday averaged almost 5.0 YPC, who has had wr's running free but chooses not to hit them, and has better blocking than half the league... no. That guy... it has nothing to do with him.

And the. There's u who wants to blame him for the rain. As I have said he played bad. The difference is we understand it was not just him and FYI. Since you said the were 15th care to post the link? Cause till then u made it up.

Made it up? I'm not the one jumping to conspiracy theories about why the offense is horrid. I watch the tape. But here's your link.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020 ... e-rankings

It's unbelievable how people woukd rather concoct some theory that PC would rather see this team fail than let the O do what it effectively CAN do, or that Schotty is just inept, than look at the plays on the field and literary watch what's causing the failures. I feel like in this covid world, we sboukd organize a .NET film watching session so everyone can see exactly what's going on with the offense.

I dont blame Russ for everything, I just refuse to lay blame for game in and game out failures at others feet when the plays that are called should work better than they do. You might not want to hear it but that's fact. Muktiple times yesterday and throughout the season, the QB held the ball and took sacks because he wanted to go deep. He held the ball when underneath wr's were there, literally standing in his face.

My personally opinion? This year, Russ refused to settle for 14 for 23, 199 yards and a td because he got drunk off of hearing about his TD record chase, the MVP chase, and rather than settling for plays that by design were meant to pickup 7 or 10 yards a pop, held the ball to get the glamour shot. The rainbow shot. It happened game in and game out and again, all you have to do is watch the tape and you can see it for yourself.

I swear. A .net all22 zoom party would do a lot to set these crazy debates to rest.

 

[keasley45]

And I absolutely want Russ as our Qb. Want PC as our coach and haven't seen evidence of massive ineptitude this year to warrant all the calls for Schotty's head.

The team and those responsible for the offense need to be honest with themselves and assign responsibility for what's going on.