Poll:should Cable be gone?

[johnnyfever]

Figured we have a Bevell Poll, so let's take the pulse of .net on Cable.

I'm for yes, but in the off-season as we still have a sliver of hope for the playoffs, so I don't think there is any advantage to starting new and shaking things up now.

I'm for it though if we lose to Dallas.

 

[original poster]

I'd be 100% on board with Cable being gone in the off season.

Too much valuable stock has been invested in the draft and been wasted.

The current 5 starters should, in my opinion, be pretty good.

Pocic to LG, Ifedi to RG and Fant to RT

OR

Pocic to LG, draft/FA RG and Ifedi stay at RT

With the right coaching, that line could be very good. I'm almost certain that coaching is holding this line back no end.

If I had a genie who granted me one wish that I could do anything, within reason, to the Seahawks, it would be to replace Cable.

He's a very unlikeable guy as well, which helps.

 

[West TX Hawk]

Definitely get rid of him-the sooner the better. ZBS has failed, run game has failed and virtually every OL draft selection has been a bust. Cable simply personifies walking manure.

 

[Str8OuttaSkittles]

without a doubt and would kinda brighten up this season

 

[Seymour]

Only option I see missing is YES 3 years ago.

 

[RussB]

100%

 

[sdog1981]

ZBS has failed, .

I don't get this logic. Zone blocking works at every level and with every team that can run the ball. Tom Cable can't coach it or identify players who can execute it.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I'm on board with this. As much as players like Cable, and as much as the rumors persist that he calls plays better in the 2nd half, I don't think he's done enough. Too many busts in the last few years.

Or...make him a play-caller. But then you have to deal with his reputation from Oakland.

 

[iigakusei]

Yes - they need to make a change and have some fresh ideas with the offense.
Unfortunately I think everyone will be back.

 

[Mojambo]

Honestly, if I could only get rid of one of Bevell and Cable, it would be Cable and it wouldn't be close.

The two areas where he is primarily responsible have been season-killing failures for the last 3 years. I'll be STUNNED if he's retained.

 

[Subzero717]

ZBS has failed, .

I don't get this logic. Zone blocking works at every level and with every team that can run the ball. Tom Cable can't coach it or identify players who can execute it.

This. In one form or another.

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[hawknation2017]

This is a trickier decision for me than the one about Darrell Bevell for the following reasons:

First, because it's the front office's decision to acquire or not acquire certain players, not position coaches. They have let numerous offensive line veterans leave (Unger, Carpenter, Okung, Giacomini, Sweezy, etc.) without paying for sufficient replacements. That is why the Seahawks were dead last in offensive line spending the last few years.

Second, because Tom Cable is a highly respected offensive line coach throughout the NFL who has always been committed to a strong running game. I have viewed him as a counterweight against Bevell's finesse tendencies that has often times helped to keep the offense afloat during Bevell's worst moments of play calling.

Third, I am not sure even the best offensive line coaches in league history would be able to accomplish much better with the likes of Rees Odiahmbo, Luke Joeckel, Oday Aboushi, Alvin Bailey, Bradley Sowell, Paul McQuiston, Patrick Lewis, Drew Nowak (former DT), Garry Gilliam (former TE), or Kristjan Sokoli (former DT).

People are quick to assume that the offensive line coach is leading the charge in the front office to acquire these cheaper players instead of high-priced veterans. I can't assume that because that's not how the delegation of authority typically works within an NFL organization. The scouts, GM, and head coach typically play a greater role in player acquisition than the position coaches themselves. Coaches "coaching" is how it normally works.

Cable's greatest sin has been his inability to campaign for more and better resources along the offensive line. That very well could be his downfall this off-season.

 

[hgwellz12]

Off-season, as in the final game we play this season.

 

[johnnyfever]

This is a trickier decision for me than the one about Darrell Bevell for the following reasons:

First, because it's the front office's decision to acquire or not acquire certain players, not position coaches. They have let numerous offensive line veterans leave (Unger, Carpenter, Okung, Giacomini, Sweezy, etc.) without paying for sufficient replacements. That is why the Seahawks were dead last in offensive line spending the last few years.

Second, because Tom Cable is a highly respected offensive line coach throughout the NFL who has always been committed to a strong running game. I have viewed him as a counterweight against Bevell's finesse tendencies that has often times helped to keep the offense afloat during Bevell's worst moments of play calling.

Third, I am not sure even the best offensive line coaches in league history would be able to accomplish much better with the likes of Rees Odiahmbo, Luke Joeckel, Oday Aboushi, Alvin Bailey, Bradley Sowell, Paul McQuiston, Patrick Lewis, Drew Nowak (former DT), Garry Gilliam (former TE), or Kristjan Sokoli (former DT).

People are quick to assume that the offensive line coach is leading the charge in the front office to acquire these cheaper players instead of high-priced veterans. I can't assume that because that's not how the delegation of authority typically works within an NFL organization. The scouts, GM, and head coach typically play a greater role in player acquisition than the position coaches themselves. Coaches "coaching" is how it normally works.

Cable's greatest sin has been his inability to campaign for more and better resources along the offensive line. That very well could be his downfall this off-season.

I was for the most part in this camp until this year. We have now spent draft capital and have spent a fair amount on the line and it is still undisciplined and dysfunctional.

That is why I am now good with his walking papers.

 

[hawknation2017]

Pass blocking has obviously been much better since the mid-season acquisition of Duane Brown. Russell Wilson has had the 2nd most time in the league to pass the ball. Even against the Rams' strong pass rush, Bevell was calling for numerous long-developing "go" routes.

What would the offensive line have looked like from the beginning of the year if they had drafted Ryan Ramczyk, who is playing at a near Pro Bowl level for the Saints, or Cam Robinson, who shut out Frank Clark a week ago, or even Taylor Moton. They could have drafted both Ramczyk AND Moton, bookend tackles with the flexibility to play inside.

Yet, some would have us believe that an offensive line coach would prefer to coach up Rees Odhiambo (the worst starting lineman in the NFL this season) and a former power forward. You can't assume that, just because he's trying to make the best of a bad situation, he wouldn't want better players, like Ramczyk and Moton.

However, Cable has failed to get the front office to put those resources into the offensive line, at least until the acquisition of Duane Brown. I'm torn on the question, but I would give him more time to see what he can do with Brown. What are his plans for Ifedi next year? If he envisions keeping Ifedi at tackle, then he is doomed.

 

[AROS]

Cable and Bevell should be a package deal. Ship them both off in the offseason.

 

[getnasty]

Bevell>Cable and it's not even close to me.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Yes.

Not because he is terrible, which we don't know yet. But because he accepts this team bringing in projects on the OL.

Even when it eventually works we endure years of struggle beforehand and half the time as soon as they are serviceable we let them walk.

We need an ol coach that refuses to stay unless we give him decent players.

 

[seedhawk]

My opinion only. Cable needs to be cut loose damn soon. Ditch this assistant head coach/o-line coach/run game coordinator crap. Let Bevell pick his o-line coach. Our offensive demise seems to dovetail nicely with Cable picking up a couple titles, and starting to look important instead of just coaching his guys up.

We have spent as much draft capital as anyone on our o-line and it still just sucks. Are we just somehow drafting dipsticks, or perhaps, is our esteemed o-line coach over rated?

How many decently successful RB's do we need to feed other teams?

Maybe Cable needs to spend a couple weeks in his own doghouse!

 

[nwHawk]

This is a trickier decision for me than the one about Darrell Bevell for the following reasons:

First, because it's the front office's decision to acquire or not acquire certain players, not position coaches. They have let numerous offensive line veterans leave (Unger, Carpenter, Okung, Giacomini, Sweezy, etc.) without paying for sufficient replacements. That is why the Seahawks were dead last in offensive line spending the last few years.

Second, because Tom Cable is a highly respected offensive line coach throughout the NFL who has always been committed to a strong running game. I have viewed him as a counterweight against Bevell's finesse tendencies that has often times helped to keep the offense afloat during Bevell's worst moments of play calling.

Third, I am not sure even the best offensive line coaches in league history would be able to accomplish much better with the likes of Rees Odiahmbo, Luke Joeckel, Oday Aboushi, Alvin Bailey, Bradley Sowell, Paul McQuiston, Patrick Lewis, Drew Nowak (former DT), Garry Gilliam (former TE), or Kristjan Sokoli (former DT).

People are quick to assume that the offensive line coach is leading the charge in the front office to acquire these cheaper players instead of high-priced veterans. I can't assume that because that's not how the delegation of authority typically works within an NFL organization. The scouts, GM, and head coach typically play a greater role in player acquisition than the position coaches themselves. Coaches "coaching" is how it normally works.

Cable's greatest sin has been his inability to campaign for more and better resources along the offensive line. That very well could be his downfall this off-season.

I was for the most part in this camp until this year. We have now spent draft capital and have spent a fair amount on the line and it is still undisciplined and dysfunctional.

That is why I am now good with his walking papers.

We've invested capital, but did we spend it on the right asserts? JS might have overestimated a guy or two...

For the record, I'd dump Cable and Bevell in the offseason.