Is “Spoon” a possibility at 5?

[FrodosFinger]

 

[onanygivensunday]

Looks like his uncontrollable urge to taunt trumps his commitment to the team.

Pass.

 

[hgwellz12]

He better delete the "Stare down" from his game before he takes the field in the NFL. Especially if we draft him.

 

[nwHawk]

I doubt it.

 

[ivotuk]

I doubt it.

Great Video! Gonzalez does not tackle...learned to make "Business Decisions ala Deion Sanders. No thank you.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Great Video! Gonzalez does not tackle...learned to make "Business Decisions ala Deion Sanders. No thank you.

But if Gonzalez has a higher ceiling than Spoon, I’d take Gonzalez over Spoon.

Richard Sherman, admitted, he wasn’t a “big hitter” until he saw Browner and Chancellor laying opponents out so he knew he had to also “bring it.”

Gonzalez may be inspired and grows to want to make big tackles and hits when he gets into the league, possibly. Lol.

 

[Maelstrom787]

He's a definite possibility.

Obviously, it'd be a tendency breaker - but they've been breaking tendencies for years now.

One thing to keep in mind is that picking top 5 is limiting. You've got less players to select from on that talent tier. That will lead to outcomes that aren't really the same as they are when you're picking at 28 and have 20 players with similar grades left on the board.

If they want a blue chip, they'll need to follow the class. They did that in 2010 with Thomas, who Schneider said they graded as the best cornerback in the class but was comparable to Eric Berry in grade at FS. They thought he could do either.

Witherspoon fits what they want in attitude. He pops off the film. He diagnoses in a hurry, and he lays the wood. Arms a hair under what they usually look for, but DJ Reed and Tre Brown didn't fit that mold either.

 

[AgentDib]

In my view this is a really deep group of corners but none of them are blue chip players that I would consider spending a #5 pick on. Stingley and Sauce would be the #1 and #2 prospects this year as well. Surtain from 2021 would be in the same discussion as this year's top three and he went #9.

From what I've seen, Witherspoon hype is mostly coming from the draft analysts who overweight college production. He was dominant last year against some good big 10 competition but was mediocre the seasons before that. His measurables are below average for an outside corner and his play could have a lot of variance built in due to how handsy he is. I see a lot of playstyle comps being made to Jalen Ramsey, but Ramsey is much bigger, with longer arms, and had a 9.84 RAS coming out of college.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

He better delete the "Stare down" from his game before he takes the field in the NFL. Especially if we draft him.

Cause we don't like outspoken bullies who taunt other players?

 

[hgwellz12]

Cause we don't like outspoken bullies who taunt other players?

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I don't know about "We", but I personally love them. I could rattle off a few names/job titles that absolutely hate them, though. And some of those names/titles seem to really hate them when they are sporting our colors.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't know about "We", but I personally love them. I could rattle off a few names/job titles that absolutely hate them, though. And some of those names/titles seem to really hate them when they are sporting our colors.

Me too. I was just confused with the comment, when literally the most success we ever had in our franchises history was a roster packed full of brash bullies who taunted and intimidated.

As far as Witherspoon, he's projected in the 10-15 range, so at 5 seems high. But definitely a great player who won't be there at 20, so if we want him we'd probably have to trade back up to get him.

 

[James in PA]

I like him a lot. Problem is: He's one of a handful of players that I think 5 is too high for, but also think will be gone by 20. I'd like to see us keep 5 and trade up from 20.

 

[Hawkinaz]

No reason to use top draft capital on a CB when it’s been proven it is not needed

 

[Maelstrom787]

No reason to use top draft capital on a CB when it’s been proven it is not needed

Same could be said for most positions, though. Clemons UDFA, Avril 3rd, Bennett UDFA

 

[CactusJack]

 

[massari]

If they think Tre Brown isn't going to fully recover from the patella tendon injury, then possibly. A healthy Tre Brown and Mike Jackson opposite Woolen seems like a solid group, especially with how well they do finding guys with mid/late round picks, or even a waiver wire claim like DJ Reed.

“I showed that I belong in this league and that I can be one of the best corners in this league,” he said of his five-game stint last season. “Those plays that I made were a small, little sample of what I can do.” - Tre Brown

 

[AgentDib]

The modern conventional wisdom is that you should draft corners early and often because it's a traits dominated position where you won't find elite caliber players late. I agree with Hawkinaz though; one of the things this FO has excelled at compared to the rest of the NFL is finding corners late and coaching them up.

I just don't like the fit with Witherspoon here other than the scrappy attitude. He's undersized with short arms, was dominant in a single season when he wasn't playing many good receivers, didn't do agility testing so his RAS is mostly speculation from his high school track team, and habitually breaks on routes at the expense of getting beat deep whenever he guesses wrong. Taking a guy like that at #5 overall who might already be near his ceiling would be wasting the developmental potential of our coaching staff when there are corners in this draft who check all the boxes for size, athleticism and fluidness that just need coached up.

 

[Maelstrom787]

He's a definite possibility.

Obviously, it'd be a tendency breaker - but they've been breaking tendencies for years now.

One thing to keep in mind is that picking top 5 is limiting. You've got less players to select from on that talent tier. That will lead to outcomes that aren't really the same as they are when you're picking at 28 and have 20 players with similar grades left on the board.

If they want a blue chip, they'll need to follow the class. They did that in 2010 with Thomas, who Schneider said they graded as the best cornerback in the class but was comparable to Eric Berry in grade at FS. They thought he could do either.

Witherspoon fits what they want in attitude. He pops off the film. He diagnoses in a hurry, and he lays the wood. Arms a hair under what they usually look for, but DJ Reed and Tre Brown didn't fit that mold either.

There it is.

 

[sc85sis]

Yep. No fly zone soon at Lumen.

 

[CactusJack]

Let's go!!!!!!!!!!