Compensation Question

[Pandion Haliaetus]

1. Will the Seahawks receive better comp since more teams claimed their guys?

2. Do the veteran cuts I.e. Quinn, Robinson, Winfield, and Blackmon count for us towards better compensatory picks if they play well for other teams?

Or do they just not count against us because they didn't make the team ?

On a side-note: If the NFL was serious about player protection and an extended regular season you'd think they would have just expanded the 53 man roster.

First off add two ST designation of returner and gunner. Players who can only play on ST unless multiple inuries suggest otherwise.


55 man roster. 5 special team designations that don't count against the active roster: k,p, ls, kr, and gnr.

44 players can suit up leaving 6 inactive. 22 on each side.

10 practice squad players with 4 spots earning a developmental designation where they make much more than the other ps guys but are guarded against being poached.

Introduce a disabled list where teams project a time table of recovery for one players injuries and are able to replace that player with someone off their practice squad for that amount of time missed without having to juggle around the roster.

Lastly, NFL needs to buy out the two other football leagues and start a 4th month long Spring/Summer Developmental Football League where countless young players around the entire world can learn and are trained on fundamentals, rules, and safety precautions of Pro Football. Think of your Lawrence Okoyes and Darren Fells as well as all rookies and udfas. Plus, this can also be a Referee Training League as well.

Also, with all this hypothetical 20 games, you'd slot 8 playoff teams from both sides... division winners plus the next 4 teams with the best record. All teams get a post-season bye and the teams with the 4 best overall records get HFA.

Losers of the Conference Championship Games should have to play each other for the better draft position during the Sunday of media week.

Pro-Bowl is stupid. They should vote for it but playing the game is meaningless.

 

[Lady Talon]

55 man roster. 5 special team designations that don't count against the active roster: k,p, ls, kr, and gnr.

Just curious, if you mean you could designate 5 players as special teamers, and potentially have a 60 man roster?

 

[Latte Thunder]

Teams only receive compensatory picks for players (whose contracts have gone full term and expired) that sign with other teams in the off-season. Players that were cut in this past weekend's roster purges and sign with another team do not count for comp picks. The key is an expired contract, not a club-terminated contract.

Yes, a player's performance with their new club does determine how high of a comp pick his previous season's team is awarded. But again, if he was cut, released, waived, or otherwise had his contract terminated early, the club will NOT receive a comp pick for him.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

55 man roster. 5 special team designations that don't count against the active roster: k,p, ls, kr, and gnr.

Just curious, if you mean you could designate 5 players as special teamers, and potentially have a 60 man roster?

No 55 man roster but those 5 don't count against the active players. So technically in my scenario 49 men can suit up with 6 being inactive but the 5 with ST designations can only play on ST with each team being able to activate 22 players each offensively and defensively for a total of 44 active non ST only players.

 

[Lady Talon]

That makes more sense.

 

[EverydayImRusselin]

Teams only receive compensatory picks for players (whose contracts have gone full term and expired) that sign with other teams in the off-season. Players that were cut in this past weekend's roster purges and sign with another team do not count for comp picks. The key is an expired contract, not a club-terminated contract.

Yes, a player's performance with their new club does determine how high of a comp pick his previous season's team is awarded. But again, if he was cut, released, waived, or otherwise had his contract terminated early, the club will NOT receive a comp pick for him.

How does it work in Winfields case? Does he count as a signing for us when the assign compensation picks? Do the vikings get him as a -1 if he retires?

 

[Hawkstorian]

To answer your original questions.

No and No.

 

[QuickLightning]

You don't get compensated if you cut a guy.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Think of it this way... if I cut my own finger off, I won't get compensated.

It's that simple.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Think of it this way... if I cut my own finger off, I won't get compensated.

It's that simple.

 

[Latte Thunder]

Teams only receive compensatory picks for players (whose contracts have gone full term and expired) that sign with other teams in the off-season. Players that were cut in this past weekend's roster purges and sign with another team do not count for comp picks. The key is an expired contract, not a club-terminated contract.

Yes, a player's performance with their new club does determine how high of a comp pick his previous season's team is awarded. But again, if he was cut, released, waived, or otherwise had his contract terminated early, the club will NOT receive a comp pick for him.

How does it work in Winfields case? Does he count as a signing for us when the assign compensation picks? Do the vikings get him as a -1 if he retires?

If Winfield's contract with the Vikes was naturally expired when he came here, the Vikes would have gotten a comp pick based on how well he played here. All-Pro performance=3rd round comp pick. Get 3 or 4 INTs=5th or 6th round comp pick. I'm generalizing with how high of a pick they would get, but that's the idea.
We get nothing if Winfield decides to un-retire and play for someone else because we cut him before he retired. Hope that helps.

 

[12th_Bob]

Vikings released Winfield so they will receive nothing as well. We get comp only if we didn't sign a free agent that offset the loss. So if Tate, Browner, and Thurmond leave we might get ones for each, maybe Bennett as well if we can't afford him. If we sign another FA player though they offset but only if they also start on the opening day roster so if those players lost get a big contract and start opening day and we roll with rookies or depth, we should get a pick at the end of the season.

That doesn't always work out, mostly we get 7th rounders at best even if a pick is awarded. We could always place a tender on a player and attempt to sign them and if a team takes that player we get a higher pick. Might make sense for Tate or Thurmond at the end of the season to do this, probably Thurmond as I think teams are more willing to hand out the contracts for CB's anymore than WR's.

 

[mikeak]

Think of it this way... if I cut my own finger off, I won't get compensated.

It's that simple.

But if it happened at work you may get compensation.........just saying nothing is that simple

 

[Fanatics]

I have always heard that comp picks are rewarded based on the pay they receive from the new team. I guess I should research it since some of you are stating it depends on their performance and not money.

As for the roster, I have no problem with increasing but instead of doing that, why do we have non-active's in the first place. If you could use your entire 53 man roster on game-day, there would be no need to increase or designation criteria.

 

[McGruff]

More on pay than play. Size of contract is the predominant factor. Post season accolades follow that.

 

[Fanatics]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_draft#Compensatory_picks

In addition to the 32 selections in each of the seven rounds, a total of 32 compensatory picks are awarded to teams that have lost more or better compensatory free agents than they signed in the previous year.[58] Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

 

[Fanatics]

Unfortunately our losses are:

Alan Branch - Bills 1yr/3M
Jason Jones - Lions 3yr/9.5M

Gains: Bennett, Avril which signed for more money.