Red Sox (29-43) @ Mariners (39-37) Jun 19-21, '26...

SeahawkSteve80 · Jun 20, 2026

FrodosFinger said:
Need a big game at the plate from Refsnyder tonight

There’s a better chance of this board taking me seriously than there is Refsnyder having a big night

FrodosFinger · Jun 20, 2026

Weston Wilson is a freak. Time to unchain his ability

IndyHawk · Jun 20, 2026

Sperrydogg said:
It’s crazy how often you here of ex mariner supporting coaches go on to lead other teams, yet we haven’t had a manager since lou

Right but even, Lou didn't get far as Dan in playoffs.

IndyHawk · Jun 20, 2026

SeahawkSteve80 said:
I’d take Scott back in a heartbeat at this rate. He didn’t have nearly as talented a roster, and the players actually seemed to give a damn playing for him. Dan Wilson is a buffoon

I disagree but when the next manager happens, it will not be
the manager, it is the players who win or lose.
That is all I've been trying to get across- I'm done with all the
manager fantasies.

IndyHawk · Jun 20, 2026

hawkfan68 said:
Two wrongs don't make it right. IMO, Dan is way worse than Servais ever was but both are horrible.

I don't agree but my point is the manager isn't going to matter, if we
had Dave Roberts, it would NOT matter.
As I said it's the players, the manager plays a small roll.

Sperrydogg · Jun 20, 2026

IndyHawk said:
Right but even, Lou didn't get far as Dan in playoffs.

What about 95, same thing.

Sperrydogg · Jun 20, 2026

FrodosFinger said:
Need a big game at the plate from Refsnyder tonight

Every night is refsmoker night

Sperrydogg · Jun 20, 2026

IndyHawk said:
I don't agree but my point is the manager isn't going to matter, if we
had Dave Roberts, it would NOT matter.
As I said it's the players, the manager plays a small roll.

I think the manager plays a bigger role, he’s just got to have big balls and the problem with Dan is he doesn’t seem to do anything to help the situation, he just does what he’s “sposed” to do. Everyone of us is thinking no don’t pull Bryce miller right now!, but it happens anyway or no don’t send Conner Joe up there but there he is again legging out doubles to third base…

GeekHawk · Jun 20, 2026

MontanaHawk05 said:
The entire starting rotation agreed to the current piggybacking setup, per reports. So this isn't on Dan.

That said, Castillo's just losing it.

Lou Pinella. Would. Not. Care. what the pitchers thought. He also wouldn't do such a cockamamie scheme.

IndyHawk · Jun 20, 2026

Sperrydogg said:
What about 95, same thing.

It didn't get to game 7.

IndyHawk · Jun 20, 2026

Sperrydogg said:
I think the manager plays a bigger role, he’s just got to have big balls and the problem with Dan is he doesn’t seem to do anything to help the situation, he just does what he’s “sposed” to do. Everyone of us is thinking no don’t pull Bryce miller right now!, but it happens anyway or no don’t send Conner Joe up there but there he is again legging out doubles to third base…

You think Dan calls up, trades or signs these players?
I'm telling you he doesn't have that power, blame JD or JH, some of these
players have to be tried to see if they are any good and it is up to them to
show it, that said: There has been a ton of injuries that affects pretty much
everything, last season we were lucky with that.
The piggyback thing is from above Dan; They are trying to save pitchers and
showcase for trade I believe, I just don't agree with blaming Dan on players
sucking ass like LC pitched or the hitters not hitting.

Sperrydogg · Jun 20, 2026

IndyHawk said:
It didn't get to game 7.

Close to the same

Sperrydogg · Jun 20, 2026

IndyHawk said:
You think Dan calls up, trades or signs these players?
I'm telling you he doesn't have that power, blame JD or JH, some of these
players have to be tried to see if they are any good and it is up to them to
show it, that said: There has been a ton of injuries that affects pretty much
everything, last season we were lucky with that.
The piggyback thing is from above Dan; They are trying to save pitchers and
showcase for trade I believe, I just don't agree with blaming Dan on players
sucking ass like LC pitched or the hitters not hitting.

I definitely blame jd for dans tools but Dan isn’t the most intentional with his tools unless the spread sheat seams to approve.

Sperrydogg · Jun 20, 2026

IndyHawk said:
You think Dan calls up, trades or signs these players?
I'm telling you he doesn't have that power, blame JD or JH, some of these
players have to be tried to see if they are any good and it is up to them to
show it, that said: There has been a ton of injuries that affects pretty much
everything, last season we were lucky with that.
The piggyback thing is from above Dan; They are trying to save pitchers and
showcase for trade I believe, I just don't agree with blaming Dan on players
sucking ass like LC pitched or the hitters not hitting.

So in the game when things are going well for Bryce and he’s jacked and ready to go but the plan says out in the fifth.., in with Castillo, and that’s just what we do then why do we even need a manager. It’s like money ball when the gm told the coach what to do up to the point of trading away players, but it’s different cause Dan isn’t resistant, he’s part of the plan. The manager needs to be the guy who pulls the plug or doesn’t pull the plug just at the right time, not after the fact or when he’s told, at the right time. It can be the difference in every one run game

Sperrydogg · Jun 20, 2026

IndyHawk said:
You think Dan calls up, trades or signs these players?
I'm telling you he doesn't have that power, blame JD or JH, some of these
players have to be tried to see if they are any good and it is up to them to
show it, that said: There has been a ton of injuries that affects pretty much
everything, last season we were lucky with that.
The piggyback thing is from above Dan; They are trying to save pitchers and
showcase for trade I believe, I just don't agree with blaming Dan on players
sucking ass like LC pitched or the hitters not hitting.

Your right though it’s not really Dan who’s is playing bad but he’s the manager. Honestly we’re hanging in so it’s not the worst thing ever, but the team looks like they are underperforming, but yeah they have lost a lot of players. Maybe the manager has a small impact but it should always be helpful, and when we see something bad just continue over and over and we are screaming for it to stop and it still continues we look at Dan. …… effing Conner Joe…. I like him as much as chone figgins

Azvacar · Jun 20, 2026

MontanaHawk05 said:
The entire starting rotation agreed to the current piggybacking setup, per reports. So this isn't on Dan.

That said, Castillo's just losing it.

They agreed to it. Great. Guess who’s still the manager and makes the decisions

It in reality we all say it was working but it was a small sample size... and in reality he had one good piggyback game, we are sitting at 500 with these games (2-2) Some of these Miller could have gone much longer. He needs to start.. or he needs to go.. period

Castillo in the piggyback games

Date	Opp	IP	H	R	ER	BB	K
May 19	CHW	2.1	1	2	2	2	4
May 25	ATH	4.0	2	0	0	2	6
May 31	ARI	5.0	2	2	1	2	3
June 19	BOS	4.0	7	5	4	0	4
Total		15.1	12	9	7	6	17

Goldfinger 007 · Jun 20, 2026

Crizilla said:
They went back to piggy backing aka lets take our best and hottest pitcher out of the game because we are the mariners. It's by design and actually worked decently before but it was only a matter of time before it blew up. Miller could have gone 8 innings then Julios homer maybe wins it or ties it.
Then to top it all off they have Refsnyder lead off when he should be batting dead last.
Let that sink in. That entire game was pre planned.
Sucks to buy tickets for that product thrown out there today. I'd rather spend the money on a blizzard door dash.

Our dopey announcers sat there gaslighting everyone about how great Castillo was while giving up 5 earned runs in 4 innings or whatever. Last time I checked, that is awful.

Goldfinger 007 · Jun 20, 2026

Oh hooray another LH starter out there to dominate us. Maybe Refsniffles actually gets a hit?

stack55 · Jun 20, 2026

Sperrydogg said:
The kept Joe over mastrobuoni? There’s probably a lot of moving pieces right now

I thought the same thing. Mastrobuoni was playing well.

Goldfinger 007 · Jun 20, 2026

So I understand Raley is down & not available anyway, but do we not all think that either he or Canzone could hit THIS lefty tonight better than Refsniffles who is hitting a pathetic .137 vs mostly lefties? This is not a serious franchise.

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