Was it a mistake to not get Mayfield?

Should they have tried to get Mayfield

  • Yes they should of

    Votes: 9 10.8%
  • No it would of been a mistake

    Votes: 62 74.7%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 12 14.5%

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BlueTalon

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Multiple people have reported the Seahawks were in talks with them, one person has disputed that. Multiple people with ties to the team have said they were at least somewhat interested. Maybe it was at a much lower cost than what Carolina gave but they were interested nonetheless. It appears that Seattle and Caroline were the only two.

Assuming that's true, and it is, then it tells me they aren't completely sold on Geno/Lock and that's a good thing. There is zero reason to be 100% sold on either one at this point. There is zero chance Pete isn't a little concerned even if he sees massive upside in Lock, he has to produce and make it a reality.
You have it exactly backwards. Whatever "interest" the Seahawks had in Mayfield was worth less than $3M and a conditional 5th round pick in the 2024 draft. They might have been "in talks" with the Browns because it's the GM's job to be in talks with everybody, but we obviously weren't pursuing Mayfield. Or if we were, our level of interest was (again) less than $3M and a day three pick in the 2024 draft.

The lesson you should be taking away from this is that the Seahawks have more faith in Lock & Geno than they had in Mayfield. And they had more faith in Lock & Geno throughout this entire Mayfield media speculation storm.
 

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Meh I don't think we disagree as much as you think we do.

If they are convinced Lock/Geno are going to be fantastic then I'd argue they are delusional. Maybe one does hit but nothing we've seen to date paints that as a likely picture. I sure hope Lock hits though because it would make this transition much easier.
 

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Meh I don't think we disagree as much as you think we do.

If they are convinced Lock/Geno are going to be fantastic then I'd argue they are delusional. Maybe one does hit but nothing we've seen to date paints that as a likely picture. I sure hope Lock hits though because it would make this transition much easier.
Lock (or Geno) doesn't have to be fantastic, he just has to be good enough. And I'm pretty sure the Seahawks think Lock or Geno will be good enough, enough that acquiring Mayfield just wasn't worth it to them.

Personally, I hope Mayfield does well in his new digs. But I'm confident that whoever wins the QB battle will do better than the pessimists here think he will.
 

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I want to be optimistic as you but I'm not there yet. I think people are severely underestimating how nice it was having an elite QB and how hard it is to find one let alone win without one.
 

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I think it will be a mistake in the end. Seattle was very interested but simply not willing to take on the same amount of Salary that Carolina was. We should have done it.
Baker's price dropped when Reich/Ballard/Irsay chose Ryan at $54 million for 2 years. At $5 million + a 4 or 5th rounder, Baker may have been good gambling value... better value for the Bucs, or Rams, but 31/32 teams didn't bite.
I won't worry, either way, and maybe I've just seen Baker too beat up, too often.
I do like Baker's commercial with DeShaun's head on a (tragic looking) dwarf's body, with Baker giving the stadium keys to DeShaun, who asks, "there are dogs?"
and Baker says, 'yeah,a whole section of them'
Can you now reveal the identity of Balko's "3rd team bidding"?
 
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I am and have been of the opinion that I have no confidence in Baker being our franchise QB who could drive us deep into the conference championship and beyond. I do, however, believe that he could deliver short term benefit of 2-3 additional wins this season but at the expenses of longer term team harmony.
 
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I'm happy we didn't get BM..Lock/Geno may not be better
but we won't know till the season rolls.
I just felt like BM was no better than 2 wins and all that does
is lower our draft spot.
I know we are not going to SB and that was with Russ or not,
Baker or not,and Lock/Geno or not..
We have some exciting pieces but the puzzle isn't complete yet.
This will be a fun season to find out what we have and where we
need to be.
As for QB he may very well be in the next draft or he may already
be here.
I just hope we are done with the diva self centered types @QB.
 

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Winning 8 games is worse than winning 3 games in the NFL. That's how the draft capital system in the NFL is set up to work.
 

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You have it exactly backwards. Whatever "interest" the Seahawks had in Mayfield was worth less than $3M and a conditional 5th round pick in the 2024 draft. They might have been "in talks" with the Browns because it's the GM's job to be in talks with everybody, but we obviously weren't pursuing Mayfield. Or if we were, our level of interest was (again) less than $3M and a day three pick in the 2024 draft.

The lesson you should be taking away from this is that the Seahawks have more faith in Lock & Geno than they had in Mayfield. And they had more faith in Lock & Geno throughout this entire Mayfield media speculation storm.
The same kind of faith that they had in Tarvaris Jackson when Carroll stated "he's the QB of the future" and then immediately signed Flynn and drafted Russell Wilson after 2011. I think Carroll knows what he's doing, we're tanking this year. I have no doubt that he doesn't really have much faith in Geno Smith and Drew Lock. Both of these players are hot garbage, it's arguable that we have the worst QB room in the entire league. Lock and Smith are place holders to keep the seat warm.

There was a reason why Seattle was in on the DeShaun Watson sweepstakes. If we were completely sold on our starters we wouldn't have even been entertaining a player with that much baggage.

Aside from that our options were guys like Matt Ryan who cost a huge amount of the cap, decent amounts in draft capital. Good player, but very old and he hasn't looked like his prime self in awhile (though still good). Then we have Baker Mayfield, a QB with spotty QB play, but potential. He likely puts us in the not good enough for the playoffs, or just squeaking in -- which limits our prospects for the future.

It is clear to me by this draft that Carroll is playing the long game here. We aren't retooling, this is a full on rebuild. He's gearing up for one last run at the end of his career. He's got until 2025 until his contract runs out and I truly believe that Jody intends to let things play out.

Carroll knows that this current roster has no chance in hell even with a competent QB of making run for the Super Bowl. I think he's looking at it as a developmental year, that is what the draft tells me at least. We went really heavy on the offensive line -- and we also made a hard shift on defense, hence guys like Mafe. It's going to take 2 years at least until we can make a deep run.

Why didn't we draft a signal caller? Quite frankly, they all weren't solid prospects. I watched so much footage on all of these guys after we traded Russell Wilson, I was unimpressed with most of them. They each had something funky going on with them, along with a funky system. The safest pick of the bunch, Pickett only had one good year and mediocre physical traits. Carroll didn't like a single one, I think his eye is set towards next year. I looked at the video of potential QB's coming out next year and let me tell you, they're miles ahead.

I don't think for a moment that Carroll believes Lock or Geno are the answer. I think it's quite the contrary -- I think he sees them as a liability.
 

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Multiple people have reported the Seahawks were in talks with them, one person has disputed that. Multiple people with ties to the team have said they were at least somewhat interested. Maybe it was at a much lower cost than what Carolina gave but they were interested nonetheless. It appears that Seattle and Caroline were the only two.

Assuming that's true, and it is, then it tells me they aren't completely sold on Geno/Lock and that's a good thing. There is zero reason to be 100% sold on either one at this point. There is zero chance Pete isn't a little concerned even if he sees massive upside in Lock, he has to produce and make it a reality.
Links please to the people with ties to the team. All I ever saw was a Browns shill (Josina Anderson) and a Saints fanboy (Balko) saying the Seahawks were negotiating.
 

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Alright if I think about it after I work out but at this point does it matter? We didn’t get baker.
 

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There was a reason why Seattle was in on the DeShaun Watson sweepstakes. If we were completely sold on our starters we wouldn't have even been entertaining a player with that much baggage.
We were in on the DeShaun Watson sweepstakes? Like we were in on the Baker Mayfield sweepstakes?
 

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Why didn't we draft a signal caller? Quite frankly, they all weren't solid prospects. I watched so much footage on all of these guys after we traded Russell Wilson, I was unimpressed with most of them. They each had something funky going on with them, along with a funky system. The safest pick of the bunch, Pickett only had one good year and mediocre physical traits. Carroll didn't like a single one, I think his eye is set towards next year. I looked at the video of potential QB's coming out next year and let me tell you, they're miles ahead.
I'm with you on that.
 

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Why didn't we draft a signal caller? Quite frankly, they all weren't solid prospects. I watched so much footage on all of these guys after we traded Russell Wilson, I was unimpressed with most of them. They each had something funky going on with them, along with a funky system. The safest pick of the bunch, Pickett only had one good year and mediocre physical traits. Carroll didn't like a single one, I think his eye is set towards next year. I looked at the video of potential QB's coming out next year and let me tell you, they're miles ahead.

I don't think for a moment that Carroll believes Lock or Geno are the answer. I think it's quite the contrary -- I think he sees them as a liability.
Only one I really cared for was Ridder, personally, and he's risky as well. Difference is I think his issues COULD be fixed. The others? Mehhh. Even then, would I give up Abe Lucas for him? Probably not.

Was a real bad class.
 

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It's not just two guys next year. Stroud and Young will likely end up with top draft grades, but many are high on Will Levis. There are also two compelling large dual threat prospects in Richardson at Florida and Jefferson at Arkansas. We could easily have five QBs next year rated higher than any of the QBs this last draft were.

Add in that we'll have two first round picks, two second round picks, and plenty of future picks to trade, and it looks extremely likely that we can draft a good QB prospect if we think they are worth it. We don't need to be chasing after QBs we don't believe in out of desperation.
 

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It's not just two guys next year. Stroud and Young will likely end up with top draft grades, but many are high on Will Levis. There are also two compelling large dual threat prospects in Richardson at Florida and Jefferson at Arkansas. We could easily have five QBs next year rated higher than any of the QBs this last draft were.

Add in that we'll have two first round picks, two second round picks, and plenty of future picks to trade, and it looks extremely likely that we can draft a good QB prospect if we think they are worth it. We don't need to be chasing after QBs we don't believe in out of desperation.
It certainly looks like one of those incredible classes. Stroud and Levis are two guys I can get VERY hyped up about. Young's alright. Jefferson has big upside, Richardson I think needs a couple of years. Guys like Cameron Ward and a few others could rise.
 

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