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Hello .net. long time reader here but first time poster. Like many of you, I believe that an upgrade to the 3 tech position is our most pressing need this off-season. After quickly perusing the list of FAs, some names that intrigued me are:

Henry Melton (CHI)
Randy Starks (MIA)
Richard Seymour (OAK)
Sedrick Ellis (NO)

Id like to retain Jason Jones, I think he is a good rotational lineman, for the right price. Thoughts? Look forward to posting here!


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I'd like a more aggressive/hard to block penetrator. I'd love Starks, but he is going to be spendy.

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Starks or Melton would be awesome but I think they'd both cost an arm and a leg, especially Melton. I haven't seen many saints games so I don't know how Ellis has played lately. I know he was very highly touted coming out of USC. (Of course, the USC connection thing seems to matter little to Pete). I'm just wondering if we could bring him here on the cheap and see if he could turn his career around here. Wouldnt be the first career reclamation project we took on


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I'd be happy with any for the right price if they want to be here.

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Melton would be my first choice as he may cost a bit less and is the youngest of the bunch. But I would also be very happy with Starks as well!

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Ellis wouldn't even be good depth. He has 0.5 sacks in his last 31 games.

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You all are pretty funny..

Of course they are going to be expensive.
They, the QB, LT are probably going to be the most expensive part of your team.
Want a cheap 3-tech candidate?? why bother it won't help.

Dump Flynn's Salary, gain some cap space. We probably have as much cap space as we will ever have.
The one thing this team needs is that dominant 3-tech.. Melton or the Miami guy and none will be cheap.
Spend the money and we win the SB.
Don't and we will be contenders.


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I'd take Starks and not worry about the price. Can't put a price on winning the Super Bowl and I think the biggest move towards reaching that goal is finding an active, pass rushing defensive tackle.

Pete and John have shown that they're amazing at working the draft so any talent we lose in 3 years because of salary cap issues can be easily replaced with cheap young players.

Go for the Super Bowl now, regardless of price.

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I'm with JSeahawks here. Write Starks a blank cheque, bring in an average every-down DE in the Clemons mold to fill in for a while - either in FA or the draft - and watch us steamroll to the superbowl. All this team is missing is a pass rush. Would a true #1 WR help? Absolutely, and this draft is full of great prospects there, but Wilson has shown he can do a more than adequate job with what we have currently. Pass rush is the last piece. Bring in Starks, and watch Irvin get 15+ sacks.

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Starks is older. I'd rather give the same treatment to Melton.

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Gentlemen we are not going to turn the main forum into a draft/free agent forum.

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I really hope that the Bears fall asleep at the wheel this offseason and fail to franchise Melton. I think he's the guy this team has been looking for for a long time and I think the Seahawks would be all over him. If they do tag him, then I think you look at Starks. After watching Starks help destroy the Hawks O-Line in the Miami game, I've seen enough to know that Starks is the real deal. I don't think he'll come that much cheaper, or for that much shorter of a deal, than Melton. Versatile DT's like Starks who can shut down the run and anchor a pass rush by collapsing the pocket with regularity are at a premium, especially when it might be their last chance to break the bank in free agency.

Whether it's Starks or Melton, the Hawks will likely have to break the bank. It'd be worth it in my opinion. I'd prefer Melton because he seems like the PC/JS type of guy. Athletic, young, fast, strong, and with tons of potential. He would fit the mold of Sidney Rice/Zach Miller "accelerate the process" type signings. Plus, we know how much JS loves guys who have played different positions in their lives, many people forget that Henry Melton was used as a running back at Texas when he arrived to Austin.



If you get Melton, the rest of the pieces start to fall into place. Keep Jones for peanuts because he'd make an excellent backup for Melton and might have a bounce back year. As a backup he will be relied upon less, can make more of an impact, and might not get so dinged up. I'd keep Branch as well. He and Mebane would create problems for teams at the other DT spot. Round out that group with the winner of a Clinton McDonald/Jaye Howard battle in camp and you've got a pack of 5 DT's that's pretty solid and versatile within the system.

Doing all this allows you to add a weapon for your biggest weapon to play with. Yup, DeAndre Hopkins in the 1st round. Just pray that the draft "word" on him stays mum.

Getting all of this done, financially, would probably take moving Matt Flynn but to me solving the 3-tech problem is more important than worrying about our backup quarterback. Deal Flynn, shed his salary, draft a guy like Matt Scott.

Bottom line, whatever they do, I think the Seahawks are going to be VERY AGGRESSIVE this off-season. I fully expect them to have a "Toronto Blue Jays" type of offseason. Put it this way, by the time training camp rolls around in the summer, Vegas and everyone else a like will be talking about how the Seahawks are probably the heavy favorite to win the Super Bowl in Jersey.

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That's why Flynn is gone, for whatever value gets us closer, and DL (DT) that can collaps the pocket is by far our biggest need.


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I really hope that the Bears fall asleep at the wheel this offseason and fail to franchise Melton. I think he's the guy this team has been looking for for a long time and I think the Seahawks would be all over him. If they do tag him, then I think you look at Starks. After watching Starks help destroy the Hawks O-Line in the Miami game, I've seen enough to know that Starks is the real deal. I don't think he'll come that much cheaper, or for that much shorter of a deal, than Melton. Versatile DT's like Starks who can shut down the run and anchor a pass rush by collapsing the pocket with regularity are at a premium, especially when it might be their last chance to break the bank in free agency.

Whether it's Starks or Melton, the Hawks will likely have to break the bank. It'd be worth it in my opinion. I'd prefer Melton because he seems like the PC/JS type of guy. Athletic, young, fast, strong, and with tons of potential. He would fit the mold of Sidney Rice/Zach Miller "accelerate the process" type signings. Plus, we know how much JS loves guys who have played different positions in their lives, many people forget that Henry Melton was used as a running back at Texas when he arrived to Austin.



If you get Melton, the rest of the pieces start to fall into place. Keep Jones for peanuts because he'd make an excellent backup for Melton and might have a bounce back year. As a backup he will be relied upon less, can make more of an impact, and might not get so dinged up. I'd keep Branch as well. He and Mebane would create problems for teams at the other DT spot. Round out that group with the winner of a Clinton McDonald/Jaye Howard battle in camp and you've got a pack of 5 DT's that's pretty solid and versatile within the system.

Doing all this allows you to add a weapon for your biggest weapon to play with. Yup, DeAndre Hopkins in the 1st round. Just pray that the draft "word" on him stays mum.

Getting all of this done, financially, would probably take moving Matt Flynn but to me solving the 3-tech problem is more important than worrying about our backup quarterback. Deal Flynn, shed his salary, draft a guy like Matt Scott.

Bottom line, whatever they do, I think the Seahawks are going to be VERY AGGRESSIVE this off-season. I fully expect them to have a "Toronto Blue Jays" type of offseason. Put it this way, by the time training camp rolls around in the summer, Vegas and everyone else a like will be talking about how the Seahawks are probably the heavy favorite to win the Super Bowl in Jersey.


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Any of you who have access to NFL rewind need to watch Desmond Bryant from the Raiders. 4 year player with low miles who really showed up the last two years.

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Any of you who have access to NFL rewind need to watch Desmond Bryant from the Raiders. 4 year player with low miles who really showed up the last two years.


One of my best friends is a Raiders fan and he's been raving about Desmond Bryant and how he's worried the Raiders might not be able to keep him because of the state of their cap at the moment. Sounds like he might be a cheaper option than Melton with almost equal upside. Also has a Schneider connection with McKenzie being the GM in Oakland.

Do you think he's better than Melton, Scotte? How bout as a pass rusher?

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Scottemojo wrote:
Any of you who have access to NFL rewind need to watch Desmond Bryant from the Raiders. 4 year player with low miles who really showed up the last two years.


One of my best friends is a Raiders fan and he's been raving about Desmond Bryant and how he's worried the Raiders might not be able to keep him because of the state of their cap at the moment. Sounds like he might be a cheaper option than Melton with almost equal upside. Also has a Schneider connection with McKenzie being the GM in Oakland.

Do you think he's better than Melton, Scotte? How bout as a pass rusher?


He is a true 3 tech, 6'6" 310. He has some jason Jones to his game, but can play 3 downs if needed (we wouldn't need him to unless injury dictated so.)

Nasty power player for a tall guy. Went to Harvard.

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Scottemojo wrote:
NYCoug wrote:
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Any of you who have access to NFL rewind need to watch Desmond Bryant from the Raiders. 4 year player with low miles who really showed up the last two years.


One of my best friends is a Raiders fan and he's been raving about Desmond Bryant and how he's worried the Raiders might not be able to keep him because of the state of their cap at the moment. Sounds like he might be a cheaper option than Melton with almost equal upside. Also has a Schneider connection with McKenzie being the GM in Oakland.

Do you think he's better than Melton, Scotte? How bout as a pass rusher?


He is a true 3 tech, 6'6" 310. He has some jason Jones to his game, but can play 3 downs if needed (we wouldn't need him to unless injury dictated so.)

Nasty power player for a tall guy. Went to Harvard.


Thanks for the info my friend, much appreciated.

I'm gonna have to check him out. The fact that he want to Harvard and that he and Red could team up to be the "Bryant Brothers" is enough to make me want him as a Seahawk! Throw in the fact that PFF has him as their highest rated interior lineman slated for FA and that's even more of a reason haha

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Desmond Bryant would be a good signing if we can't land one of the two "big fish" - I.e. Melton or Starks. I'm really hoping we can sign Jason Jones for cheap as well. I thought there was a huge difference in the pass rush after he went down on IR. Unfortunately not a good difference in the pass rush. Although we had relatively good luck this year with injuries, I can't help but think that we would have won fairly easily in ATL with a health Jason Jones and Clemmons. Sigh


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Desmond Bryant would be a good signing if we can't land one of the two "big fish" - I.e. Melton or Starks. I'm really hoping we can sign Jason Jones for cheap as well. I thought there was a huge difference in the pass rush after he went down on IR. Unfortunately not a good difference in the pass rush. Although we had relatively good luck this year with injuries, I can't help but think that we would have won fairly easily in ATL with a health Jason Jones and Clemmons. Sigh

Believe it or not, PFF rates Bryant higher than Melton. I still have to watch more Melton, but so far I have been stunned by how good Bryant is. I don't think playing in Oaktown is good for your fame.

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Starks is coming off a 5 year 21 million contract and is in his 30's, so any 3 tech that can collapse the pocket probably cost around 4.5 to 5.5 million a year in FA. Flynn, Obo, and some more cuts are going to be needed to make room for one of them, I would prefer Starks as he has played 1, 0, 3, and DE, that makes him a good fit for us plus we could offer a contract around 10-12 million 3 year contract with 4 guaranteed; Dolphins have space but at this point in their current rebuild would they pay up for 29 year old DT in a FA bidding war? They still need WR's and will be sitting without a LT if Long leaves as well, Starks looks like a good option for Seattle. Plus, knowing we picked up a DT that gave our offensive line as well as San Frans hell would be sweet.

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Why not get both Desmond Bryant and Starks, cut the dead weight, Clinton McDonald, obamanu, I'm not to impressed with Red Bryant either, move Irvin to OLB and teach him how to handle the run and bring in a true DE with both speed and size and we have a formidable defense. Trade Matt Flynn to a team where he can be the starter he wants to be, that will free up cap room. Trade some draft picks + deal for Desmond and make it easier to get him since this team has 10 this year and not all those pics will be on the team anyways and we would know what were getting with Desmond vs a unproven DT.


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