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    CaptainSkybeard wrote:I hope if this guy really starts to fall in the draft that we can pick him up at a value. This seems like the exact type of thing John and Pete would be all over.

    (Remember how Bruce Irvin had "off the field" issues that supposedly effected his draft?)


    If he was the best option left at 25, we are in a lot of trouble.


    Clearly. But what I'm saying is, if teams are thinking this way causing him to fall to 3rd round or beyond, maybe its worth considering. No way in hell id want him in 1st round.
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  • CaptainSkybeard wrote:
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    CaptainSkybeard wrote:I hope if this guy really starts to fall in the draft that we can pick him up at a value. This seems like the exact type of thing John and Pete would be all over.

    (Remember how Bruce Irvin had "off the field" issues that supposedly effected his draft?)


    If he was the best option left at 25, we are in a lot of trouble.


    Clearly. But what I'm saying is, if teams are thinking this way causing him to fall to 3rd round or beyond, maybe its worth considering. No way in hell id want him in 1st round.


    I just don't see a need for him in the first 2 days. I expect us to draft some LB cover, but no earlier than round 4. first 3 rounds will be D-line and WR, most likely.
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  • SuperHawks wrote:Couldn't disagree more with this entire post. New facts are coming to light by the hour. How about waiting for all the facts before crucifying the guy? You may be right when all is said and done but it's far from the certainty you're making it out to be at this point.


    Te'o has claimed talking to her on the phone and stories have been written about them meeting in person. The person who set it up is a close friend of Te'o's. For argument's sake, let's say Te'o really is innocent. That would mean that the perp (who is male) had to bring in a girl act the part on the phone for a 4 year period as part of this scheme (and this is assuming that Te'o is telling the truth about the phone calls, which he may not be), and it would also mean that Te'o didn't bat an eye and find anything suspicious when reports came out the last few years talking about how he and his GF had met and spent time together, met at Stanford, etc, all of which was 100% false and he knew it, lying or not. If he really was innocent, he should have been tipped off by the false stories claiming they had met in person.

    Frankly, I am amazed that ESPN is buying it.

    Edit: Te'o said in his own words that he and his dad had met her in person. Now let's say that the girl was a fake, which is really reaching. But for argument's sake, it's a fake. Don't you think he would have noticed that her picture was different on facebook (the picture on facebook is of a girl who had no idea of what was going on and had never met Te'o).

    Also, a teammate has now come out saying that the whole team knew it was a hoax and kept their mouths shut. Said Te'o was a great actor.
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  • kearly wrote:
    SuperHawks wrote:Couldn't disagree more with this entire post. New facts are coming to light by the hour. How about waiting for all the facts before crucifying the guy? You may be right when all is said and done but it's far from the certainty you're making it out to be at this point.


    Te'o has claimed talking to her on the phone and stories have been written about them meeting in person. The person who set it up is a close friend of Te'o's. For argument's sake, let's say Te'o really is innocent. That would mean that the perp (who is male) had to bring in a girl act the part on the phone for a 4 year period as part of this scheme (and this is assuming that Te'o is telling the truth about the phone calls, which he may not be), and it would also mean that Te'o didn't bat an eye and find anything suspicious when reports came out the last few years talking about how he and his GF had met and spent time together, met at Stanford, etc, all of which was 100% false and he knew it, lying or not. If he really was innocent, he should have been tipped off by the false stories claiming they had met in person.

    Frankly, I am amazed that ESPN is buying it.

    ESPN isn't buying it. They are trying to both cover their ass for not fact checking, and minimize their role in the huge push to get him a heisman. SVP today was saying that if Teo was in on it, he is a better actor than anyone in Hollywood.

    Also, they are spinning it as a generational gap, where us old dudes don't understand how 20 year old kids can have internet relationships. And trying to say that at most, he is guilty of embellishing by adding the parts about actually meeting her.
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  • Much ado about nothing.

    For all we know, he was pretending to have a girlfriend to keep people and family from passing judgement on him about it (something guys have been known to do), and when the pressure was on for people to meet her, his only option was to say she died.

    Really don't care. I've met people who lie all the time about stupid stuff and it's almost always to garner attention or to avoid it. Manti is a good football player and the only issue I see is the effect of the media and fans going gonzo over it. I hope he comes out of this okay.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:SVP today was saying that if Teo was in on it, he is a better actor than anyone in Hollywood.


    SVP?
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  • ivotuk wrote:Much ado about nothing.

    For all we know, he was pretending to have a girlfriend to keep people and family from passing judgement on him about it (something guys have been known to do), and when the pressure was on for people to meet her, his only option was to say she died.

    Really don't care. I've met people who lie all the time about stupid stuff and it's almost always to garner attention or to avoid it. Manti is a good football player and the only issue I see is the effect of the media and fans going gonzo over it. I hope he comes out of this okay.


    This is more than a lie, though. He was trying to manipulate people's emotions, and has shown no remorse for what he's done. In fact he continues to lie saying he was the victim. He is either a ruthless attention whore or he's a mild sociopath. Maybe both. This is a big deal for draft stock. High rated players have fallen far for less. GM's view draft picks as business decisions. And when they get scared off by stuff like this, those players can get scratched off draft boards completely. Imagine if you were caught lying in a job interview. Even if you were clearly the best candidate, you probably wouldn't get the job. The NFL draft process is one giant job interview, and stuff like this matters so much, it can't be overstated.
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  • ivotuk wrote:Much ado about nothing.

    For all we know, he was pretending to have a girlfriend to keep people and family from passing judgement on him about it (something guys have been known to do), and when the pressure was on for people to meet her, his only option was to say she died.

    Really don't care. I've met people who lie all the time about stupid stuff and it's almost always to garner attention or to avoid it. Manti is a good football player and the only issue I see is the effect of the media and fans going gonzo over it. I hope he comes out of this okay.


    Really? So, fabricating a scam to garner attention which then leads to a Heisman trophy nomination isn't a big deal to you? How is not letting it snowball into a 'she's dead," story better than coming clean right away that she doesn't exist? Your post boggles my mind, and I hope Te'o gets what he deserves, which is lost draft status and lost respect for the confabulation. You act like he's some sort of sad victim of powers outside his control. Liars should get what they deserve.
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  • ivotuk wrote:Much ado about nothing.

    For all we know, he was pretending to have a girlfriend to keep people and family from passing judgement on him about it (something guys have been known to do), and when the pressure was on for people to meet her, his only option was to say she died.

    Really don't care. I've met people who lie all the time about stupid stuff and it's almost always to garner attention or to avoid it. Manti is a good football player and the only issue I see is the effect of the media and fans going gonzo over it. I hope he comes out of this okay.


    Neither Scottemojo nor kearly have to concoct stories of dead GF's to mask their private lives (not that there's anything wrong with that).
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  • I have a girlfriend in a different state is man code for...I don't have a girlfriend. As Eddie Izzard said, they assign levels of badness to crimes, why not lies? Saying you shagged a girl you didn't is like lying level 9, and there are WMDs in Iraq is Level 1.

    Now, Teo seems to have some accomplices, and used it to fuel his Heisman run, so I am gonna say he was about level 5.
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  • I personally think that Kekua was dead the whole time and this is all some weird Samoan 6th Sense thing we're all witnessing.
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  • I've already stated my opinions on Te'o. He's immature and has been known to lie. I'm sorry some have a problem with me not going into detail, but there is a time and a place for anything. I am also Mormon. We have a "code" so to speak, where we don't go talking about people's past transgressions, even if we know about them. We do it out of respect, and because we believe that people can be forgiven. This is getting religious, so I'll just say that if I knew something about somebody that they had done at some point and they had moved forward with their life then it isn't my place to "out them". So that's why I left what happened here alone completely. It isn't my job. I just stated he was immature and was known to stretch the truth and that was pretty much it. I'll stand by that.

    But I'll throw another part of the Mormon culture out there, just as a devil's advocate to myself if nobody else. If young men in the LDS church aren't married by the time they are 22 or so then people start to talk and call them a menace or whatever. If they aren't actively dating LDS girls seeking out their "partner forever" then they are given all kinds of crap. It's a cultural thing. Not a religious rule. It is just the way people are, and the pressure is INTENSE. I wasn't married until 3 days before I turned 27 and my wife was 26 and we got so much crap from people that I really can't explain it.

    I am sure each of you in your own culture or community have certain community or cultural things that are common and you just accept them, but if you look at them as an outside observer they seem pretty silly. I always though the "get married ASAP" thing was stupid. I waited a long time. I was in no hurry. I wanted to have at least one college degree finished, a life established, a 401k started, etc. etc. My wife was a career gal and wanted to get married earlier, but she also wanted me to establish a life first.

    So.... him being a stud football player and not being married, probably felt a tremendous pressure from his family for not being engaged and married and popping out kids yet. If you look at the typical LDS kid, they are married by 23 at the absolute latest and already have a kid. My sister got married at 23 and people were giving her business for being an "old maid". Kind of weird for sure. But also, he probably had tail chasing him like crazy as the star player on a powerhouse team. How does he explain to "the guys" that he isn't going to parties and hooking up with every girl in sight, while still maintaining his standards (if he did so)? By saying, "No guys, you've got it all wrong. I have a girlfriend, and I see her during school breaks, and I am faithful to her, so I won't go to your parties and be tempted and blah blah blah."

    This is an easy out for him if he has a pretend girlfriend, but is waiting to meet somebody 'real' after he finishes school and by doing so keeps the pressure off from family, others of his faith, etc.

    Likely? Not really. But i've seen some similar things happen. Guys will make up excuses why they can't do certain things, because deep down they want to follow their religion's rules, but they hate to say it upfront for fear of mockery. Like the guys who just flat-out don't want to drink, it's not acceptable in their religion, and so they say, "Well, I'm allergic to alcohol" rather than, "I don't drink, because it runs counter to my beliefs."

    Just another random possible take. There is actually a saying a lot of people use around here, and that is "any young man who isn't married by 22 is a menace to society." It is said tongue in cheek because supposedly Brigham Young said it a long time ago (also half tongue in cheek), but that pressure is very real. It is common in his culture AND his religion, and he's the fish out of water at a Catholic school, so maybe he set it up as a cover, because there was somebody he wanted to be with that was elsewhere (back home perhaps) and he couldn't be with her (or him... who knows???) until he had gotten his first NFL contract and could afford to get married and buy a home and so forth. Again, not saying that's the case, but having felt that pressure firsthand as a nobody, I can only imagine what the pressure would feel like dealing with that same crap and being a real somebody like Manti is. The story gets out of control, he realizes people are going to check and he kills her off hoping nobody notices. The media then runs with it and now he's really screwed and can do nothing but play along, which is something the Manti I've not known personally, but known OF and ABOUT for many many years. He is prone to not thinking things through and ends up in a stupid situation. It wouldn't be the first time and likely won't being the last. He's not a criminal. He's not a terrible guy. He's just not very smart in some ways, and he's not a real forward thinker unfortunately. Consequences seem to be new to him because he's such a terrific athlete.

    Tons of great athletes get a free pass their whole life. Leonard Little killed people driving and then went ahead and enjoyed a lucrative NFL career. Don't ever tell me star athletes don't live by a different set of rules. Lawrence Taylor isn't in prison. OJ Simpson was found not guilty. This is small potatoes and the media loves a tragic story and overcoming tough odds. They are complicit.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:I'm sorry some have a problem with me not going into detail


    If anyone has a problem with you, its certainly not due to your lack of detail :D

    Oh, and good post. That perspective is a lot more reasonable than him being a sociopathic liar.
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  • 12evanf wrote:I personally think that Kekua was dead the whole time and this is all some weird Samoan 6th Sense thing we're all witnessing.



    ESPN just ran a new twist on the story. Seems Kekua was real, but Teo only met her one time, and actually a ex-teammate of his who played for the Cards this year, knew her really well. Also they said the players on the team new she wasn't ever his girl friend. Weird story from top to bottom, and why would someone say any of this? Manti just seems to continue to dig a hole deeper and deeper.
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  • 12evanf wrote:
    SharkHawk wrote:I'm sorry some have a problem with me not going into detail


    If anyone has a problem with you, its certainly not due to your lack of detail :D

    Oh, and good post. That perspective is a lot more reasonable than him being a sociopathic liar.


    I meant not going into detail very early in the season when I said the kid had some issues which I've known about for a few years due to his recruiting visit at BYU. I didn't go into specifics as it wasn't my place to do so, but I have stated before that he's immature, but I like him personally and wish him success. The detail thing is something that somebody ripped me for earlier in this post and asked why I would even mention something about him without giving details. I said because I knew there were character concerns from the time he was 16 years old and sort of left it alone. Notre Dame fans liked to jump on those things and claim I was a hater of Notre Dame. My response was simply that it wasn't true, and in fact I was quite a fan of Manti Te'o and was hoping that he truly had turned the corner on his maturity and ability to be straightforward with folks. It was my hope... but maybe it wasn't the case.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:
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    SharkHawk wrote:I'm sorry some have a problem with me not going into detail


    If anyone has a problem with you, its certainly not due to your lack of detail :D

    Oh, and good post. That perspective is a lot more reasonable than him being a sociopathic liar.


    I meant not going into detail very early in the season when I said the kid had some issues which I've known about for a few years due to his recruiting visit at BYU. I didn't go into specifics as it wasn't my place to do so, but I have stated before that he's immature, but I like him personally and wish him success. The detail thing is something that somebody ripped me for earlier in this post and asked why I would even mention something about him without giving details. I said because I knew there were character concerns from the time he was 16 years old and sort of left it alone. Notre Dame fans liked to jump on those things and claim I was a hater of Notre Dame. My response was simply that it wasn't true, and in fact I was quite a fan of Manti Te'o and was hoping that he truly had turned the corner on his maturity and ability to be straightforward with folks. It was my hope... but maybe it wasn't the case.


    Would these problems (if you were the hawks GM) prevent you from drafting him at #25?
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  • I wouldn't have drafted him at 25 before this story broke.

    I think he is 2nd round talent at best. With this story? lots lower. Dude supposedly learned Dec 6 it was a fraud, but referred to her twice in the next 5 days in interviews. And didn't go to the school with his story for 20 more days.

    Fishy. I would draft a criminal before I draft a bullshitter.
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  • Not if his ability on the field matched what we need. I don't think we need him. So I wouldn't draft him at all. But if you're saying if they looked his physical capabilities and thought he was a match, would I let his stuff from his personal life prevent me from drafting him? No. This is a league where guys like Jerramy Stevens are seemingly given a free pass. Manti is just a knucklehead that likes to be told how great he is, doesn't think ahead, and isn't totally honest with people. He's probably more down to earth and kind than about 95% of the players in the NFL who are just really buttholes. So no.... I wouldn't avoid drafting him. He's not a drug user, a murderer, a wife beater, a drunk driver, a deadbeat father, a violent gang member, or anything else. He's just kind of immature. Typical for NFL players. This is why many have their career end and their life really sucks. They've never learned to manage their own anything.

    And seriously..... you'd draft somebody who had committed a CRIME over somebody who got caught up in a lie because he was embarrassed more than likely? Wow. I'd rather have the guy who felt like a fool than one who was willing to break laws. As far as I can tell... no laws were broken here. Just a kid making a really really dumb mistake.
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  • I've been considered a criminal for much of my life, Shark. Would you employ Te'o or I?

    I have to hire all the time, I'd take the criminal.
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  • I'd take the criminal who looks you in the eye and shoots straight over the liar anyday.

    Shark - How many NFL players you personally know?

    Curious about your statement: "about 95% of the players in the NFL who are just really buttholes."
    And this post is not directed at anyone personally.
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  • DTexHawk wrote:I'd take the criminal who looks you in the eye and shoots straight over the liar anyday.

    Shark - How many NFL players you personally know?

    Curious about your statement: "about 95% of the players in the NFL who are just really buttholes."


    How many do I personally know that play now, or have played at some point? 2 different questions. I believe criminals are liars who take things. Liars who aren't criminals are just stupid. Why would you take the worst type of liar?
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  • pehawk wrote:I've been considered a criminal for much of my life, Shark. Would you employ Te'o or I?

    I have to hire all the time, I'd take the criminal.


    A current criminal? Criminals and liars are about the same to me. It's deception. As an employer, I would avoid people who are deceptive. If a guy came in to my office and said, "Look.... here's the situation.... I stole a playstation 2 when I was in college, it was stupid, I paid for it ten times over, I learned my lesson.... I felt awful." Then that's one thing. If I found out that it had happened and he hadn't told me about it, then he's a liar. See what I'm saying. You don't want the double whammy/liar/thief.

    Everybody makes mistakes. Yes, even me. I own up to them. I feel that's the only way I can be. I can't be deceptive. It doesn't work. Always covering your tracks. So if it turns out that Manti was being honest and was tricked, then I think my whole opinion changes. A remorseful thief? I can understand hiring. Especially if they said, "Look.... I know I've got to earn your trust. Let's lay out a trust plan for what I have access to, and with the understanding that we both know my past mistakes." Yeah.... I'd take that guy over a flat out liar any day. But a guy who walks in and lies about his criminal record and puts on a con job and I think he'd make a great employee... no I wouldn't hire him because he wasn't honest. If a kid came in and didn't come clean on having once lied about having a girlfriend, I don't think that's as big of a problem as the guy who lies and says he has no record.

    Maybe we're talking about different things here. Having a record doesn't prevent you from getting a job, but not being upfront about it will eliminate you from employment at 99% of businesses in America. You have to disclose it. You don't have to disclose if you ever pretended you were hooking up with some island hottie. Or you don't have to tell people if you were hooking up with some island hottie without everybody knowing. ;) Heh heh. Lips zipping. Zipppppp.
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  • pehawk wrote:Neither Scottemojo nor kearly have to concoct stories of dead GF's to mask their private lives (not that there's anything wrong with that).


    In fairness, it's by necessity. I am a terrible liar.

    Scottemojo wrote:I have a girlfriend in a different state is man code for...I don't have a girlfriend. As Eddie Izzard said, they assign levels of badness to crimes, why not lies? Saying you shagged a girl you didn't is like lying level 9, and there are WMDs in Iraq is Level 1.

    Now, Teo seems to have some accomplices, and used it to fuel his Heisman run, so I am gonna say he was about level 5.


    That is hilarious.

    Scottemojo wrote:Fishy. I would draft a criminal before I draft a bullshitter.


    That's almost bumper sticker material. On the money.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:But I'll throw another part of the Mormon culture out there, just as a devil's advocate to myself if nobody else. If young men in the LDS church aren't married by the time they are 22 or so then people start to talk and call them a menace or whatever. If they aren't actively dating LDS girls seeking out their "partner forever" then they are given all kinds of crap. It's a cultural thing. Not a religious rule. It is just the way people are, and the pressure is INTENSE. I wasn't married until 3 days before I turned 27 and my wife was 26 and we got so much crap from people that I really can't explain it.


    I am not LDS, but I grew up in Mormonville (northern Arizona on the border, near Navajo rez). Our town had 1 radio station at the time and it's main talk show was hosted by the wife of a local polygamist. My school was probably 70% LDS, and would have been far more if not for a large native american contingent. A lot of my friends growing up were Mormon.

    Anyway, for those who don't know, Shark is 110,000% right on this. Seriously, I could write a book on the pressures that existed among young people in highly concentrated Mormon communities. Some violations of this code could even result from excommunication from both Church and one's entire family. Being cut off from your entire family after living your entire life in an intense family oriented world is incredibly daunting.

    I can only imagine the pressure's you had to deal with. No need to break any code or anything. Saying "trust me" is enough for me.

    Honestly, the first thought I had was that Te'o was gay. Talk about tremendous pressure to keep that under wraps. He probably isn't, but if he was, everything would fall into place pretty quick. Like you said, the pressure to conform is enormous.

    Shark, my pastor was once a criminal many decades ago. He is the wisest and most humble man I've ever met in person. Sometimes people learn from making mistakes (including crime), but people who take lying lightly are less likely to reform and much harder to trust.
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  • 12evanf wrote:ESPN just ran a new twist on the story. Seems Kekua was real, but Teo only met her one time, and actually a ex-teammate of his who played for the Cards this year, knew her really well. Also they said the players on the team new she wasn't ever his girl friend. Weird story from top to bottom, and why would someone say any of this? Manti just seems to continue to dig a hole deeper and deeper.


    Even if Kekua did exist, the girl on the facebook page is not her. It is obvious that Te'o is complicit. I think Shark is on to something with his theory. Family/religious pressure's could have been a factor.
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  • This is going to sound extremely bigoted and ignorant, but dude kinda looks, sounds and acts gay. If you assume he is gay alot of this makes sense. Some poor choices - but their choices you can at least comprehend.
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  • I hope during the NFL draft that Seattle tricks Manti Te'O into thinking that they're drafting him by calling him (assuming he's in the green room or on camera where ever he is at the time) and then they draft someone else and get his reaction on camera.
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  • Red Beard wrote:I hope during the NFL draft that Seattle tricks Manti Te'O into thinking that they're drafting him by calling him (assuming he's in the green room or on camera where ever he is at the time) and then they draft someone else and get his reaction on camera.


    That's what he did to 3 colleges. Said he was flat out going there. Obviously he only went to 1.
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  • Breaking news, T'eo blames poor tackling in the championship on imaginary alabama players.
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  • @Shark, not all criminals are thiefs. getting in fights, dui, weed, ect. And like I said, there are all manner of lies, some way worse than others. Cover up lies are bad news. Reportedly, the kid says he found out this was a hoax Dec 6, but then talked about the girl like she was real Dec 9 and Dec 11 on television at the Heisman award presentation. These lies paint the picture of a guy who connives, conspires, and has the wrong kind of pride.

    Those are qualities that are prime components in a team cancer.

    Think of it like this. You are GM, and a guy you will give lots of money to if you draft him has shown bad judgement, which is really what we are talking about. Does he justify bad judgement and paint himself as the victim (Lie)? If he does, he lacks accountability. Accountability is the backbone of team success. Gap assignment is about accountability.

    This is a really big deal.

    I just hope his pride isn't so wounded that he does something stupid to hurt himself.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:
    DTexHawk wrote:I'd take the criminal who looks you in the eye and shoots straight over the liar anyday.

    Shark - How many NFL players you personally know?

    Curious about your statement: "about 95% of the players in the NFL who are just really buttholes."


    How many do I personally know that play now, or have played at some point? 2 different questions. I believe criminals are liars who take things. Liars who aren't criminals are just stupid. Why would you take the worst type of liar?


    You can get rid of the criminal (who shoots straight) who takes things after one incident, the liar may take 3 or 4 before you can pin it on them.

    I'll take both numbers, play now, or have ever played.
    And this post is not directed at anyone personally.
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  • Wilbon said on PTI that when he interviewed T'eo he was struck by how "child-like" he was. "Simple" was another word he used. He said during their interview he couldn't get past that.
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  • A lot of people are painting this issue as black and white when in reality it is probably mostly gray.

    Has he lied? Yes, there really is no denying that. But, the real issue here is what the intent was.

    If he lied to cover up the embarrassment of being in love with a girl he's never met online that's a whole lot less of a big deal than if he lied and was involved in a big conspiracy in order to get publicity for personal gain.

    It really isn't that hard to believe that he he lied initially to cover up that embarrassment and then had it spiral out of control rapidly.

    Who here hasn't spun a lie before where you have to keep lying so you don't get caught? Now imagine that the spotlight is on you 24/7 by the entire nation and having that pressure to keep the lie going by any means necessary. Not a pretty picture right? Don't know about you guys but I sure as hell wouldn't be chomping at the bit to fess up to all of this nonsense.

    Is he guilty of terrible judgement? Absolutely, no matter what else happens at the very least he's not only naive but not the brightest bulb because there is no way this wouldn't come to light at some point. Who knows, maybe he was just hoping to ride it out another few months until after the draft and then it wouldn't really matter if it came out. While embarrassing he'd still be set for life financially.

    All I'm saying is there are still plenty of unknowns here and to assume that it's automatically the worst case scenario and to absolutely destroy him the way he's been destroyed the past few days is at best premature, and at worst could be just flat out wrong.

    Having said all of that I have no idea what happened and he could turn out to be the POS you guys are claiming him to be but until I see all the evidence from both sides I'm withholding judgement.
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  • SuperHawks wrote:A lot of people are painting this issue as black and white when in reality it is probably mostly gray.

    Has he lied? Yes, there really is no denying that. But, the real issue here is what the intent was.

    If he lied to cover up the embarrassment of being in love with a girl he's never met online that's a whole lot less of a big deal than if he lied and was involved in a big conspiracy in order to get publicity for personal gain.

    It really isn't that hard to believe that he he lied initially to cover up that embarrassment and then had it spiral out of control rapidly.

    Who here hasn't spun a lie before where you have to keep lying so you don't get caught? Now imagine that the spotlight is on you 24/7 by the entire nation and having that pressure to keep the lie going by any means necessary. Not a pretty picture right? Don't know about you guys but I sure as hell wouldn't be chomping at the bit to fess up to all of this nonsense.

    Is he guilty of terrible judgement? Absolutely, no matter what else happens at the very least he's not only naive but not the brightest bulb because there is no way this wouldn't come to light at some point. Who knows, maybe he was just hoping to ride it out another few months until after the draft and then it wouldn't really matter if it came out. While embarrassing he'd still be set for life financially.

    All I'm saying is there are still plenty of unknowns here and to assume that it's automatically the worst case scenario and to absolutely destroy him the way he's been destroyed the past few days is at best premature, and at worst could be just flat out wrong.

    Having said all of that I have no idea what happened and he could turn out to be the POS you guys are claiming him to be but until I see all the evidence from both sides I'm withholding judgement.


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  • peachesenregalia wrote:
    SuperHawks wrote:A lot of people are painting this issue as black and white when in reality it is probably mostly gray.

    Has he lied? Yes, there really is no denying that. But, the real issue here is what the intent was.

    If he lied to cover up the embarrassment of being in love with a girl he's never met online that's a whole lot less of a big deal than if he lied and was involved in a big conspiracy in order to get publicity for personal gain.

    It really isn't that hard to believe that he he lied initially to cover up that embarrassment and then had it spiral out of control rapidly.

    Who here hasn't spun a lie before where you have to keep lying so you don't get caught? Now imagine that the spotlight is on you 24/7 by the entire nation and having that pressure to keep the lie going by any means necessary. Not a pretty picture right? Don't know about you guys but I sure as hell wouldn't be chomping at the bit to fess up to all of this nonsense.

    Is he guilty of terrible judgement? Absolutely, no matter what else happens at the very least he's not only naive but not the brightest bulb because there is no way this wouldn't come to light at some point. Who knows, maybe he was just hoping to ride it out another few months until after the draft and then it wouldn't really matter if it came out. While embarrassing he'd still be set for life financially.

    All I'm saying is there are still plenty of unknowns here and to assume that it's automatically the worst case scenario and to absolutely destroy him the way he's been destroyed the past few days is at best premature, and at worst could be just flat out wrong.

    Having said all of that I have no idea what happened and he could turn out to be the POS you guys are claiming him to be but until I see all the evidence from both sides I'm withholding judgement.


    After reading this post, it's pretty clear you don't know how the internet works.


    Care to elaborate?
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  • I'll take a straight shot Super; you're a rube. Color it anyway you'd like, Te'o's a creepy liar. And that's the opinion of a man who's actually done a stretch in a nut-hut, Te'o makes me look sane.
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  • Yep. What Ryan said. All of it.
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  • pehawk wrote:I'll take a straight shot Super; you're a rube. Color it anyway you'd like, Te'o's a creepy liar. And that's the opinion of a man who's actually done a stretch in a nut-hut, Te'o makes me look sane.


    Ok, well that's just your opinion. You don't have any more information than the rest of us. You've come to a conclusion and that's fine. Me, I'm gonna wait to hear the rest of the details before I pass judgement.
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  • SuperHawks wrote:
    pehawk wrote:I'll take a straight shot Super; you're a rube. Color it anyway you'd like, Te'o's a creepy liar. And that's the opinion of a man who's actually done a stretch in a nut-hut, Te'o makes me look sane.


    Ok, well that's just your opinion. You don't have any more information than the rest of us. You've come to a conclusion and that's fine. Me, I'm gonna wait to hear the rest of the details before I pass judgement.


    Sounds more like you're going to let your biases continue to do their thing and hope to God you don't actually have to make a judgment call which would make Notre Dame look bad.
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  • Back to watching T'eo as a football player, am I the only one that thinks he still has a place on the Seahawks? Potential top talent that may be able to be had at a bargain, just needs a gutsy team to take a chance on him... who does that sounds like?

    Even if he is "simple" or "child like," the dude has football instincts.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    SuperHawks wrote:
    pehawk wrote:I'll take a straight shot Super; you're a rube. Color it anyway you'd like, Te'o's a creepy liar. And that's the opinion of a man who's actually done a stretch in a nut-hut, Te'o makes me look sane.


    Ok, well that's just your opinion. You don't have any more information than the rest of us. You've come to a conclusion and that's fine. Me, I'm gonna wait to hear the rest of the details before I pass judgement.


    Sounds more like you're going to let your biases continue to do their thing and hope to God you don't actually have to make a judgment call which would make Notre Dame look bad.


    ND already does look really bad in all this. I was flat out wrong in my national championship prediction, I have no problem owning that. I'm not the homer you'd like to make me out to be. Am I hoping it isn't worst case and that he is a total creep POS? Of course but as I've said numerous times I have no idea what the truth is yet, and frankly neither does anyone else here.
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  • SuperHawks wrote:
    pehawk wrote:I'll take a straight shot Super; you're a rube. Color it anyway you'd like, Te'o's a creepy liar. And that's the opinion of a man who's actually done a stretch in a nut-hut, Te'o makes me look sane.


    Ok, well that's just your opinion. You don't have any more information than the rest of us. You've come to a conclusion and that's fine. Me, I'm gonna wait to hear the rest of the details before I pass judgement.


    I dont need evidence. As Digital Underground said; "game recognize game".

    I've spent most of my life in a world of liars, thieves and masqueraders...I'm well-versed in people like this. You can dismiss that all you want, but anyone who's lived that type of life can recognize and identify personalities better than psychiatrists.
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  • pehawk wrote:I've spent most of my life in a world of liars, thieves and masqueraders...I'm well-versed in people like this. You can dismiss that all you want, but anyone who's lived that type of life can recognize and identify personalities better than psychiatrists.


    T'eo's Wiki page

    In high school, Te'o had a 3.5 grade-point average and did volunteer work with the Shriners Hospital, Head Start preschool program, Hawai'i Food Bank and Special Olympics. Te'o also became an Eagle Scout in November 2008.[15] Te'o is an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).


    That doesn't scream creep to me. The girlfriend situation sounds more closet-homosexual or closet-religious than dirt-bag masquerader.
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  • I said creepy liar (why do I feel like I'm kidhawk and you're you now?). I agree, I think its a closet-case thing. But, lying gets creepy when you make up dead broads for media love.
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  • To be honest I can't believe the Te'o innocence angle is getting the amount of play and acceptance that it seems to be. The guy is a pathological liar. As pehawk said, I've known too many people like this and I can see it from a mile away. As bold as it sounds, I don't need anymore details to have a solid understanding of how this whole mess went down. Te'o is a creep and Notre Dame looks ridiculous.
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  • pehawk wrote:I said creepy liar (why do I feel like I'm kidhawk and you're you now?). I agree, I think its a closet-case thing. But, lying gets creepy when you make up dead broads for media love.


    Maybe he's a closet Necro??? :sarcasm_on:
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  • 12evanf wrote:
    pehawk wrote:I said creepy liar (why do I feel like I'm kidhawk and you're you now?). I agree, I think its a closet-case thing. But, lying gets creepy when you make up dead broads for media love.


    Maybe he's a closet Necro??? :sarcasm_on:


    And you my friend are a nazi (I read that somewhere).

    I'm with Code. I cant believe ANYONE'S letting him off the hook by even acknowledging his victim angle.
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