Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
FlyingGreg wrote:Irvin needs to get bigger, or move to OLB. His biggest problem is getting manhandled.
T-Sizzle wrote:I feel like Irvin needs a little weight (he's only 9lbs lighter than clem), but his main issue is technique. Quinn will work with him.
pehawk wrote:Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1.
FlyingGreg wrote:pehawk wrote:Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1.
DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS.
FlyingGreg wrote:pehawk wrote:Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1.
DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS.
Sgt. Largent wrote:T-Sizzle wrote:I feel like Irvin needs a little weight (he's only 9lbs lighter than clem), but his main issue is technique. Quinn will work with him.
Aldon Smith is only about 10 lbs heavier than Irvin. So I don't think it's a weight issue......like you said it's a technique/inexperience issue.
Quinn will help, but IMO Irvin just needs more time to work on his technique and schemes so that he's no longer thinking, he's just playing. Speed kills, but what kills speed is thinking.
Hawkfan77 wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:pehawk wrote:Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1.
DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS.
That wasn't his point. It was that some players (regardless of position) take time to acclimate to the NFL.
pehawk wrote:Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1.
FlyingGreg wrote:
PE is perfectly capable of explaining himself, he doesn't need your training wheels.
pehawk wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:pehawk wrote:Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1.
DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS.
Umm, yeah, that helps my point.
FlyingGreg wrote:pehawk wrote:Umm, yeah, that helps my point.
Not really. Developing as a WR, FS, and SS is more about the cerebral aspect of the game and learning it. Yes, Irvin needs that as well.
But the bigger concern is does he have the strength and size he needs? I'm not so sure. You can't just use speed as an edge rusher in the NFL - as we saw, tackles just learned to ride him right out of the pocket over and over again. Technique is a big part of that, but he needs to be able to attack with strength as well.
kearly wrote:Football technique is a bigger problem for Irvin than his size (added football to avoid "that's what she said" joke). Dan Quinn could legitimately have an impact there. I still think that Irvin is so far away that it would require a revelatory transformation to see him as a 3 down player. But if anyone could do it, Quinn could.
JKent82 wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:pehawk wrote:Umm, yeah, that helps my point.
Not really. Developing as a WR, FS, and SS is more about the cerebral aspect of the game and learning it. Yes, Irvin needs that as well.
But the bigger concern is does he have the strength and size he needs? I'm not so sure. You can't just use speed as an edge rusher in the NFL - as we saw, tackles just learned to ride him right out of the pocket over and over again. Technique is a big part of that, but he needs to be able to attack with strength as well.
Most DE have slow development, isn't it kinda notorious for having a large learning curve?
FlyingGreg wrote:kearly wrote:Football technique is a bigger problem for Irvin than his size (added football to avoid "that's what she said" joke). Dan Quinn could legitimately have an impact there. I still think that Irvin is so far away that it would require a revelatory transformation to see him as a 3 down player. But if anyone could do it, Quinn could.
Agreed, but "bigger" problem still means his size could be a problem. I don't know that it is...it just seems like it could be.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
T-Sizzle wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:kearly wrote:Football technique is a bigger problem for Irvin than his size (added football to avoid "that's what she said" joke). Dan Quinn could legitimately have an impact there. I still think that Irvin is so far away that it would require a revelatory transformation to see him as a 3 down player. But if anyone could do it, Quinn could.
Agreed, but "bigger" problem still means his size could be a problem. I don't know that it is...it just seems like it could be.
He is 9lbs lighter than Clem. <---------- Why does everyone here ignore that? Size is not a problem.
Hawkfan77 wrote:Irvin was pretty dang raw coming into the league. He played end in a 3-4 at WVU! He's had little time to play end in a 4-3 and we all knew that it would take time for him to maximize his potential.
Even though he was so saw he still led all rookies in sacks. It's funny, most were very high on him before the ATL game and when he disappointed, a lot of those same people now claim that he's nothing more than a situational player or he needs a new position...
HansGruber wrote:Hawkfan77 wrote:Irvin was pretty dang raw coming into the league. He played end in a 3-4 at WVU! He's had little time to play end in a 4-3 and we all knew that it would take time for him to maximize his potential.
Even though he was so saw he still led all rookies in sacks. It's funny, most were very high on him before the ATL game and when he disappointed, a lot of those same people now claim that he's nothing more than a situational player or he needs a new position...
Welcome to .net, where hyperbole and overreaction are the norm.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
Blitzer88 wrote:Quinn can help, but Bruce has to take the lessons being taught to him and actually use them and work on them constantly. Kinda like how Russell, week by week, always seemed to improve a part of his game that the previous week seemed to be some type of weakness, like 3rd down conversions, redzone, etc.
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