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Post subject: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin  Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:23 pm |
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just wait and see. He is a Dline guru.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:24 pm |
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Irvin needs to get bigger, or move to OLB. His biggest problem is getting manhandled.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:25 pm |
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Irvin needs to hang out with Russell more and learn how to prepare for a job the right way. No more running around like a chicken with its head cut off
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:31 pm |
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I feel like Irvin needs a little weight (he's only 9lbs lighter than clem), but his main issue is technique. Quinn will work with him.
Von Miller is ~237lbs and it doesn't hurt his pass rush. Obviously different scheme but when he does pass rush its not a big deal.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:32 pm |
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FlyingGreg wrote: Irvin needs to get bigger, or move to OLB. His biggest problem is getting manhandled. He may just end up being a pass-rush specialist. He may never become an every down lineman. But if he gets 8–12 sacks a year in a specialized role, that would be OK too. _________________ 
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:41 pm |
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I hope so because the dude sure could use it.
I think he is destined to permanently man the Raheem Brock role. If he comes in on passing situations and gets 10+ sacks, he will be doing his job
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:07 pm |
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T-Sizzle wrote: I feel like Irvin needs a little weight (he's only 9lbs lighter than clem), but his main issue is technique. Quinn will work with him. Aldon Smith is only about 10 lbs heavier than Irvin. So I don't think it's a weight issue......like you said it's a technique/inexperience issue. Quinn will help, but IMO Irvin just needs more time to work on his technique and schemes so that he's no longer thinking, he's just playing. Speed kills, but what kills speed is thinking.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:11 pm |
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Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:12 pm |
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Irvin was pretty dang raw coming into the league. He played end in a 3-4 at WVU! He's had little time to play end in a 4-3 and we all knew that it would take time for him to maximize his potential. Even though he was so saw he still led all rookies in sacks. It's funny, most were very high on him before the ATL game and when he disappointed, a lot of those same people now claim that he's nothing more than a situational player or he needs a new position... 
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:12 pm |
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pehawk wrote: Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1. DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS. _________________ @SeahawkGregYEAH, WE HAVE A DUDE NAMED CHRISTINE...DEAL WITH IT!
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 pm |
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FlyingGreg wrote: pehawk wrote: Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1. DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS. Umm, yeah, that helps my point.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 pm |
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FlyingGreg wrote: pehawk wrote: Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1. DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS. That wasn't his point. It was that some players (regardless of position) take time to acclimate to the NFL.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:15 pm |
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Sgt. Largent wrote: T-Sizzle wrote: I feel like Irvin needs a little weight (he's only 9lbs lighter than clem), but his main issue is technique. Quinn will work with him. Aldon Smith is only about 10 lbs heavier than Irvin. So I don't think it's a weight issue......like you said it's a technique/inexperience issue. Quinn will help, but IMO Irvin just needs more time to work on his technique and schemes so that he's no longer thinking, he's just playing. Speed kills, but what kills speed is thinking. Everyone is built differently. 10 pounds on Aldon Smith is different than 10 pounds on Bruce Irvin. Smith has longer arms and is a bit taller, and I'd guess more than 10 pounds heavier anyways. Refined technique will definitely help Irvin out. He needs to work on not just getting carried out of the action with his speed. _________________ @SeahawkGregYEAH, WE HAVE A DUDE NAMED CHRISTINE...DEAL WITH IT!
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:16 pm |
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Hawkfan77 wrote: FlyingGreg wrote: pehawk wrote: Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1. DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS. That wasn't his point. It was that some players (regardless of position) take time to acclimate to the NFL. PE is perfectly capable of explaining himself, he doesn't need your training wheels.  _________________ @SeahawkGregYEAH, WE HAVE A DUDE NAMED CHRISTINE...DEAL WITH IT!
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:17 pm |
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It took 3 years for Tate to 'get' it. Sidney Rice took 3 years to 'get' it. It took our safeties a year to 'get' it. And so on and so on. We're kind of spoiled because Russell Wilson is so intelligent he already 'gets' it, but he's the exception. Irvin will continue to get better. How much remains to be seen, but PC and JS didn't pick him based on his high floor, you know?
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:18 pm |
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pehawk wrote: Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1. Ahem! Rivers.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:18 pm |
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FlyingGreg wrote: PE is perfectly capable of explaining himself, he doesn't need your training wheels. Maybe he didn't but you did... 
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:18 pm |
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pehawk wrote: FlyingGreg wrote: pehawk wrote: Irvin will be fine. Tate, Earl, Kam all stunk up the joint in year 1. Arguably worse than Bruce did.
I know we hold Earl up on a pedastal here, but he got USED by any QB not a rookie in year 1. DE is a totally different animal than WR, FS, SS. Umm, yeah, that helps my point. Not really. Developing as a WR, FS, and SS is more about the cerebral aspect of the game and learning it. Yes, Irvin needs that as well. But the bigger concern is does he have the strength and size he needs? I'm not so sure. You can't just use speed as an edge rusher in the NFL - as we saw, tackles just learned to ride him right out of the pocket over and over again. Technique is a big part of that, but he needs to be able to attack with strength as well. _________________ @SeahawkGregYEAH, WE HAVE A DUDE NAMED CHRISTINE...DEAL WITH IT!
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:06 pm |
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Football technique is a bigger problem for Irvin than his size (added football to avoid "that's what she said" joke). Dan Quinn could legitimately have an impact there. I still think that Irvin is so far away that it would require a revelatory transformation to see him as a 3 down player. But if anyone could do it, Quinn could.
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Post subject: Re: Dan Quinn will coach up Bruce Irvin Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:29 pm |
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FlyingGreg wrote: pehawk wrote: Umm, yeah, that helps my point. Not really. Developing as a WR, FS, and SS is more about the cerebral aspect of the game and learning it. Yes, Irvin needs that as well. But the bigger concern is does he have the strength and size he needs? I'm not so sure. You can't just use speed as an edge rusher in the NFL - as we saw, tackles just learned to ride him right out of the pocket over and over again. Technique is a big part of that, but he needs to be able to attack with strength as well. Most DE have slow development, isn't it kinda notorious for having a large learning curve?
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