Cap Space for 2013

Hasselbeck":5afg8n51 said:

Shock2k":5afg8n51 said:

So I think it's cold to say, but do you trade Clemons for picks?

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Can't trade an injured player.

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SharkHawk":190bz5wa said:

The Hawks signed Kerney and our defense improved significantly. He had over 15 sacks I believe and was the frontrunner for the DPOY for much of the season. The pressure he created made a very poor defensive backfield almost serviceable. His injuries that piled up after that year though ended his career, but he was a big boost for our team. Finding another guy like him this offseason would be big I think. Who is out there? I don't know, but it can certainly have an impact. Even the Hawks acquisition of Clemons and Raheem Brock helped the defense to make significant strides right off the bat. I don't guess that's what you mean by big signings though.

I can go back to one though, and it will maybe change your mind, and this is if you're talking over a long period of time, and not just in the past few years, and it was when the Packers signed Reggie White. Was there ever a bigger move as far as turning a team's defense and ultimately its franchise's fortunes around? I don't think so. They went from being a team that were developing, into a team that was dominating. Reggie made that team go, and it kind of irritates me how much credit Favre gets for that era, when you look at what he did every other year in his career. Reggie's prime/dominant years were the same for the Packers. He was amazing. He probably put together a couple of the best seasons by a DL ever in NFL history.

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Shock2k":ssdbllc0 said:

Hasselbeck":ssdbllc0 said:

Shock2k":ssdbllc0 said:

So I think it's cold to say, but do you trade Clemons for picks?

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Can't trade an injured player.

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Yes I know. I mean after he's recovered. A better question would have been, when do we part with Clemons?

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Sarlacc83":3cuvxrow said:

I saw it mentioned on Fieldgulls that Washington is due 3.3 million next year. Surely that number's going to need to go down if not disappear completely. I love Leon, but he can probably take a paycut on this team.

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dutchcoug":3tspsneo said:

Cliff Avril is a free agent...

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Barthawk":30zhmelj said:

I say lock up your own.. Kam, Jason Jones and/or Browner in the offseason.. can't entertain extensions for Sherm or KJ until after 3 accrued seasons..

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Shock2k":upw7wqvr said:

Hasselbeck":upw7wqvr said:

Shock2k":upw7wqvr said:

So I think it's cold to say, but do you trade Clemons for picks?

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Can't trade an injured player.

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Yes I know. I mean after he's recovered. A better question would have been, when do we part with Clemons?

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Hawk-A-Loogie":2opf527k said:

About R. Wilson. They don't have to give him a new contract cus he's already on a contract for 3 years am i correct?
Basically they can underpay him and he will be a starter for years to come. But that would mean no respect for Wilson.
Can someone elaborate on this?

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Jazzhawk":u6irvdbu said:

Seahawks - ton of cap space....so, no need to jettison Flynn or Miller after all.

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aawolf":1vljslr3 said:

As a side question related to this topic: has a team really ever truly "turned their team around" with the aquisition of a big free-agent defensive lineman?

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kidhawk":3olyunam said:

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SouthSoundHawk":3olyunam said:

To go along with the Flynn cap arguement, I just look at it as if there's X amount of money to be spent at the QB position, and I don't care how it's used up as long as it helps the team win (IMO).


Let's try and paint a mental picture...


Flynn and Wilson are two parts of a whole, it doesn't mater how that cap is sliced. If they want to trade Flynn to have three parts of a whole filled at the QB position, that's all fine and dandy. However, if they bring someone in, they'll only be saving a few million until Wilson gets a contract extension. Then that missing fourth will then again be filled.


I think I spent too much time in math class...does any of thismake sense to anyone else? haha. I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words...

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that works if you want to spread contracts uniformly
say, as a hypothetical example - sherman could have his contract renewed this year (he can't), we could frontload a contract that pays him what he deserves. And that 8m or whatever it is that we'd have to pay to Flynn could all go to Sherman this year, with a contract with low(er). future cap implications, but pays the man what he deserves.

So, consider, for example a 5 year 50m contract (which is in the range of what we will have to pay Sherman if he keeps up his performances)

Instead of trying to spread it as 10m a year and taking a 10m cap hit every year, we could dump Flynn this year, augment Sherman's base salary in 2013 with the cap and thus reduce the cap hit in future years. It'd basically be the exact opposite of what teams whose window is "closing" do (huge signing bonus, long contract, cap hit spread over many years instead of up-front).

Then, when it comes time to renew Wilson's contract, you've got a bit more room because you used that cap space wisely a few years previously

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You almost never see a player get a first year base number much over the minimum. That would be POOR cap management. You pay the man with a SIGNING BONUS. This gives him the huge money for this year, then in the following years, the annual salary grows with other bonuses set to augment that as well. Having the Signing bonus allows teams to let the cap hit over the length of the contract, so if the player gets a $15 million signing bonus and his contract is for 5 years, it would spread out at $3 million per year. This is a MUCH more likely scenario than giving a small signing bonus and upping his base salary to count against the cap in the early years. Also, to alleviate cap numbers later in the contract as the base salary increases, teams just re-sign them to new contracts that give them a fresh signing bonus that stretches out again. This is how teams often play the slight of hand tricks with the salary cap. Flynn's next 2 seasons won't keep us from signing any of our guys. ESPECIALLY with the knowledge that we have over $18 million in cap money. This is plenty to be able to sign our guys, bring in some good free agents and have money left over.

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