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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:16 am
  • The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's, and his salary is low enough for any team desperate to bring in a QB to challenge for a starting job to take a look at trading for him.

    The question is a 3rd or 4th round pick worth it for the Hawks to give up the security of having a very good backup QB.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:18 am
  • General Manager wrote:I'd rather they just kept him than dump him for a fourth.


    Richard Sherman was a 5th. I would much rather have someone on the team that can contribute.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:21 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's


    What are you basing that off of? If this was true people would have been lining up to sign him last year. The fact that he lost the QB battle here only further deflates his already non-existent value. We will be lucky to get a 6 or 7th round pick for him. People here REALLY tend to overvalue our own guys.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:22 am
  • To me the only way that trading Flynn is worth it is if we get a draft pick and then use that pick or a LOWER pick for a rookie qb that we think is able to play. (a third round guy that we think can play is worth it for the lower salary)

    Look at the Bears last year - no backup
    Look at Oakland last year about to go playoff qb injured - desperation trade that is costing them


    Look at Redskins yesterday - we will see if Cousins is any good but he was able to come in and play for them and tie the game
    Look at Bears THIS year - still no backup
    Look at 49ers this year - crushes Bears with a competent backup

    We have to have a backup that is able to not just take the ball from the Center but to WIN games. If that is Flynn at $10 million (I don't care about the real number) or if that is a drafted kid I don't care but it should not be guy that to me has proven that he can't have this team winning in the playoffs......

    Remember Russell is not making any real money for the next 2 years (plus this season) so the qb position is still "cheap" regardless of how you look at it.......
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:24 am
  • 3 pages about the back up QB, only in Seattle...
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:26 am
  • loafoftatupu wrote:Why is it that Flynn has to go again?


    Is there some etched-in-stone reason other than he makes a little money? I like Flynn on this roster and either want him right where he is or beating out Wilson in camp.


    This. I don't want to trade him for a mid round draft pick and end up with a crappy backup QB either via the draft or free agency.

    We have a good situation with 2 quality QB's. I don't want to end up having to put in a Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky type backup.

    Honestly, the only realistic situation right now is if we could get T Jack back as a backup i'd be ok with it. I'm totally comfortable with TJ as a backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:28 am
  • skater18000 wrote:
    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

    I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

    And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


    The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...


    That's not going to happen. NO ONE is giving a 2nd rounder for a career backup who was average yesterday. He missed Baldwin on a TD throw, didn't even give him a chance to make the play. His best play was the play to Rice where he got blasted. He ended with a 79.9 rating and 7.6 YPA. That T-Jack territory. In his 2 drives of the 3rd quarter we failed to score a TD dispite BOTH drives starting inside Arizona's 32 yard line due to turnovers.

    But I agree with several who don't want to trade Flynn. He's a good backup and I hope we keep him... I think keeping him is worth more than a 4th round pick and an unstable backup QB situation. Unless they resign Portis and beleive he's the long term answer as a backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:39 am
  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    General Manager wrote:I'd rather they just kept him than dump him for a fourth.


    Richard Sherman was a 5th. I would much rather have someone on the team that can contribute.


    And what happens if Wilson gets hurt and we don't have a good backup QB were screwed that's what, not buyin that arguement. They should keep him if they can if not trade him out of the division.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:43 am
  • I just think that backup QB is really important these days. We have seen what happens when backups get extended play with Wallace. I for one would like the dropoff to be minimal. If we were to lose Russ, even for 1 game it would cost us severely if we didn't have that good backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:02 am
  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's


    What are you basing that off of? If this was true people would have been lining up to sign him last year. The fact that he lost the QB battle here only further deflates his already non-existent value. We will be lucky to get a 6 or 7th round pick for him. People here REALLY tend to overvalue our own guys.


    20% of NFL QB's is eight starting QB's.

    It's not a stretch for me to say that if you dropped Flynn in for any of these QB's, he'd do better.

    - Gabbert
    - Palmer
    - Weeden
    - Sanchez
    - Cassel
    - Skelton/Lindley
    - Locker
    - Henne

    So NOT A STRETCH that any of these teams wouldn't consider giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Flynn into camp to compete for a job.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:57 am
  • Throw in Ponder and Brady Quinn to that list.

    I totally agree, I think he's probably better than about half the starting QBs in the NFL right now, or at least could be better with more playing time.

    Question is, will he be satisfied to stay a backup ? I can't think that Pete will open up the competition next year.....hell, say Flynn did win it. What does that do for your continuity ?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:58 am
  • Some here getting a bit testy and over wrought cause not everyone agrees with them?


    :141847_bnono:

    We're just talking here,,,,no more coffee for those of you that take Flynn's value up/down to seriously.

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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:01 am
  • Throw in Ponder and Brady Quinn to that list.

    I totally agree, I think he's probably better than about half the starting QBs in the NFL right now, or at least could be better with more playing time.

    Question is, will he be satisfied to stay a backup ? I can't think that Pete will open up the competition next year.....hell, say Flynn did win it. What does that do for your continuity ?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:15 am
  • redhawk253 wrote:i dont know what game you were watching but he missed a couple of easy td passes.. notice how our drives started to stall and we started kicking fg after fg when he came in.. im not gona say he looked terrible.. cuz he didn't.. but for a guy to come in with a 40somethin point lead and not be able to score on that defense.. he didnt do great. oh yeah and id rather we punt the ball then have our number 1 receiver take a hit like he did.. very lucky he wasn't injured there....


    Hmmm... I seem to remember another Seahawks QB having some issues with easy TD passes being dropped on his first game... Against AZ no less.

    I liked Flynn as QB1 at first, but it's clear Wilson has won the job. Some of you guys should ease up on Flynn--he's not a threat to your guy anymore.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:17 am
  • Haha yea right. He does ok in garbage duty yesterday and suddenly his value rockets back up? There was only a 2 team market for him as a free agent, and since then, he was unable to win the starting job on his new team. Why would teams give up valuable draft capital for him now if they didn't even try to sign him as a Free Agent? He is just a career backup at this point, and I don't think career backups get traded for much. 6th or 7th rounder would be my guess at his market value, but I'd rather just keep him. I like the guy, and its nice to have a solid backup.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:23 am
  • It's clear Wilson has earned the right to be our QB. With that said, I still think Flynn can also be a top 10 QB in this league, so I hope he doesn't end up on a division rival at some point.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:33 am
  • Missing_Clink wrote:Haha yea right. He does ok in garbage duty yesterday and suddenly his value rockets back up? There was only a 2 team market for him as a free agent, and since then, he was unable to win the starting job on his new team. Why would teams give up valuable draft capital for him now if they didn't even try to sign him as a Free Agent? He is just a career backup at this point, and I don't think career backups get traded for much. 6th or 7th rounder would be my guess at his market value, but I'd rather just keep him. I like the guy, and its nice to have a solid backup.


    I'd also love to keep him as a backup, but his salary doesn't fit with that..........therefore a decision will have to be made to trade him or restructure his contract. My guess is Flynn won't go for the restructure, so the Hawks will have no choice but to trade.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:42 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:Haha yea right. He does ok in garbage duty yesterday and suddenly his value rockets back up? There was only a 2 team market for him as a free agent, and since then, he was unable to win the starting job on his new team. Why would teams give up valuable draft capital for him now if they didn't even try to sign him as a Free Agent? He is just a career backup at this point, and I don't think career backups get traded for much. 6th or 7th rounder would be my guess at his market value, but I'd rather just keep him. I like the guy, and its nice to have a solid backup.


    I'd also love to keep him as a backup, but his salary doesn't fit with that..........therefore a decision will have to be made to trade him or restructure his contract. My guess is Flynn won't go for the restructure, so the Hawks will have no choice but to trade.

    Especially since some important players will need to be re-signed in the near future. Guys like Sherman are going to see a huge pay increase.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:00 pm
  • Hawks46 wrote:Throw in Ponder and Brady Quinn to that list.

    I totally agree, I think he's probably better than about half the starting QBs in the NFL right now, or at least could be better with more playing time.

    Question is, will he be satisfied to stay a backup ? I can't think that Pete will open up the competition next year.....hell, say Flynn did win it. What does that do for your continuity ?


    Better than half the quarterbacks in the NFL? Based on what?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:06 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    Sgt. Largent wrote:The question isn't whether Flynn has trade value, he most certainly does. He's still better than 20% of NFL QB's


    What are you basing that off of? If this was true people would have been lining up to sign him last year. The fact that he lost the QB battle here only further deflates his already non-existent value. We will be lucky to get a 6 or 7th round pick for him. People here REALLY tend to overvalue our own guys.


    20% of NFL QB's is eight starting QB's.

    It's not a stretch for me to say that if you dropped Flynn in for any of these QB's, he'd do better.

    - Gabbert
    - Palmer
    - Weeden
    - Sanchez
    - Cassel
    - Skelton/Lindley
    - Locker
    - Henne

    So NOT A STRETCH that any of these teams wouldn't consider giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Flynn into camp to compete for a job.


    -Gabbert and Henne play on the same team
    -Cassel is the backup
    -Skelton/Lindley are backups
    -Weeden was drafted in the first round by the browns, the browns didn't even bother entertaining Flynn. Why would they want him now?

    I actually don't think anyone on your list would do better than Flynn in their same situation.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:25 pm
  • if Flynn is better than all the backups then he would be better than 50% of the qbs in the NFL.....

    Just saying
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:09 pm
  • T-Sizzle wrote:I actually don't think anyone on your list would do better than Flynn in their same situation.


    So are you agreeing with me? I'm confused.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:17 pm
  • redhawk253 wrote:i dont know what game you were watching but he missed a couple of easy td passes.


    I doubt like hell that he was told to go out there and go all Johnny Elway, more than likely he was told to not get careless, to just keep from throwing any picks, and hand off to RB's and eat up the clock,,,Simply put,, by the time Flynn entered the game, the fat lady had already sang.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:44 pm
  • The thing that jumped out at me yesterday was one of the things that Fieldgulls writers were pointing out on game tape after his signing: his longer windup. Yesterday my brain was distinctly registering an extra tick in Flynn's motion as compared to Wilson's fast release. Thomas Beekers saw a lot of that on Flynn's tape from NE/GB when he went for intermediate/deep shots, possibly his way of driving the ball. I don't think it was a factor on Flynn's tipped TD pass Sunday, but the relative slowness of that release will make tipped passes by the D-line a lot likelier if he gets more snaps.

    Credit him for that Wilson-like clutch play, dock him for the longer release, dock him for lazy play-action, dock him for leading Rice right into a crushing hit that could have concussed him, and I still see a high-end backup who's costing money and doesn't fit this system. I honestly think we'd be just as well off trading him and developing Josh Johnson.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:22 pm
  • SEC FAN wrote:
    skater18000 wrote:And a 2nd rounder and about $5,000, 000 of cap room back... btw great teams don't have great backups, I want a quarterback that can win 7-9 (TJack) Tjack is a great fit as a backup and the only reason heist the backup right now is because we stole a conditional from the bills... haha... he could come back...


    Okay this is getting stupid. TJack isn't even the number 1 backup on a horrible Bills team. Great teams don't have good back ups? Like when Walsh picked up Young from the USFL to back up Montana, Rams picked up Warner from Arena Football to back up Trent Green, Patriots had Brady in the 6th I believe to back up Bledsoe, Stealers had Rapistburger to back up O'Donnell. Even when I was a little kid I remember Doug Williams, Frank Reich, and Hostetler were back ups who won/went to SuperBowls.

    Like I said my friend the coaches already prefer Flynn over TJack so your TJack dreams need to go. That choice has been made. LOL, some Seattle people get so attached to sentimental guys like TJack. Reminds me of Seneca Wallace SMH.[/quote
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    Yours is the only reply necessary. We are always one play from losing RW. Without a Flynn, that means we are always one play from losing the season. One poster suggested we move Flynn "because he wants to start and it would be the right thing to do". This is the same type of fan you reference above. The fan that actually thinks an individual is bigger than team. I am happy we are no longer the team that keeps a Dilfer...well, just because he's a good guy. We won't be moving Flynn, or any other player, because "it's the right thing to do". If such a transaction does not benefit the team, no transaction need be made. This new and improved FO wants wins and this is why teams like NE dump their SB MVP and why we should have dumped Alexander. Boo (or Boo-hoo) all you want. History proves I'm right.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:46 pm
  • Ok so I haven't chimed in on this since page one........ God it's good to have a life. Battle on about insignificant stuff now.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:55 pm
  • bingotown wrote:Ok so I haven't chimed in on this since page one........ God it's good to have a life. Battle on about insignificant stuff now.


    It is good you have a life. But I would hardly call the possible replacement of our franchise QB insignificant. You do realize you're on a Seahawk forum, right?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:57 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote: dock him for leading Rice right into a crushing hit that could have concussed him.


    True dat, same as we should dock RW for doing the same thing to Rice in the Bears game? :roll:
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:57 pm
  • denial permeates this thread.

    flynn looked good, threw some very good passes even with a quarter of play in for the first time (on a wide birth score). sharp passes complete and some bobbled by wrs.
    *add: and I still say he beats phx and stl away games prior.

    I think given the same games he throws better than RW, but ....we're going with RW for the youth and wheels (I can live with that, 3 games now and I like what RWs doing and there's more to come).

    we may be able to retain flynn but I doubt it highly.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:01 pm
  • montanahawk, is this your first year with the game of football?
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:21 pm
  • hawkfan1975 wrote:montanahawk, is this your first year with the game of football?


    Hahahahahaha. Wait, are you serious?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:49 pm
  • I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Flynn win's those early games is smokin something. Russell survived because of his mobility. Flynn would have found his way onto the IR after that brutal stretch of games.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:56 pm
  • Don't have much to say about the guy.


    -Didn't like his demeanor coming into the season after losing the job to RW, then again who wouldn't be bummed out? Don't feel bad for the guy at all, he's still getting paid and gets to put on a Seahawks uniform every Sunday!


    -Wasn't too excited about having him be the starter just because of a few great games (didn't want to see another Kevin Kolb in the NFCW). Not entirely sold on him being able to carry the offense over a 16 game period, would not be surprised if he did though.


    -He is a solid backup, nice to know if Russ goes down that guy is waiting on the sideline. Albeit, with a little bit of a chip on his shoulders.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:57 pm
  • hawkfan1975 wrote:denial permeates this thread.

    flynn looked good, threw some very good passes even with a quarter of play in for the first time (on a wide birth score). sharp passes complete and some bobbled by wrs.
    *add: and I still say he beats phx and stl away games prior.

    I think given the same games he throws better than RW, but ....we're going with RW for the youth and wheels (I can live with that, 3 games now and I like what RWs doing and there's more to come).

    we may be able to retain flynn but I doubt it highly.


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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:21 pm
  • I see no value in trading Flynn unless Josh Johnson proves capable of running our offense with some efficiency. In that scenario, however, I like the idea of trading him outside the division to pick up some draft capital. Picking up a draft pick for a short-term rental would be outstanding.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:25 pm
  • I wonder if the members of the dump Flynn crowd were also members of the sign Hass or we are doomed group? The titans did not have a problem paying big bucks to Hass to be a backup. Why should we not feel the same here? A QB can go down in a single play and unless you have a very good QB you are in a world of hurt.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:16 am
  • Montana you are crediting and bashing Flynn on the same play. The play he escaped the sack and threw while evading another defender is also the play Rice was blasted. The problem is it's a broken play, you don't have the luxury to sit back and read defenses, your being forced to make a play and he did.
    As to the poster who says Flynn would be on IR, you are probably right if Flynn held the ball longer than any other QB in the NFL like Wilson but it's been blatantly obvious he actually gets rid of the ball much faster than Wilson and there is a ton of evidence he uses the whole field
    Something Wilson has improved on through the course of the season but it was a big problem early on the year.
    Keep in mind we went directly to that dreaded run run pass when Flynn came in, meaning Flynn had one chance per possession and all but one of those passes were very catchable. It's kind of hard to blame Flynn for back up receivers killing drives.
    Flynn did what you want your QB to do and did it quickly even though he was asked to do so with no prep time and all back ups.

    Personally I think Flynn will force either a trade or release. I would love to keep him as a back up fore er but I just don't believe he will be here. Hopefully he doesn't go to AZ because he would be an immediate upgrade over any QB on the roster and with Fitzgerald to throw to, he could be deadly. Not to mention that defense. He would make that team instantly relevant and next year he is cheap for a starter.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:29 am
  • Why do people think draft picks are so valuable? They are not more valuable than QBs that can play. Just ask Arizona.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:30 am
  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
    hawkfan1975 wrote:denial permeates this thread.

    flynn looked good, threw some very good passes even with a quarter of play in for the first time (on a wide birth score). sharp passes complete and some bobbled by wrs.
    *add: and I still say he beats phx and stl away games prior.

    I think given the same games he throws better than RW, but ....we're going with RW for the youth and wheels (I can live with that, 3 games now and I like what RWs doing and there's more to come).

    we may be able to retain flynn but I doubt it highly.


    there's something wrong with you.


    didn't you try this posts earlier? the witty, one-off in an attempt to seem the know it all. it didn't work then, what makes you think another try will fare better?

    look, if flynn bashing makes you feel safe then great, but how about limiting repeats and letting others talk on this forum as well?
    ok with you?
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:34 am
  • Sorry Rich, no offense but this comment just doesn't compute.


    "Personally I think Flynn will force either a trade or release. I would love to keep him as a back up fore er but I just don't believe he will be here."


    I've heard others express this sentiment and have to ask. What leverage does Flynn have to force a trade? I said before what's he gonna do refuse to play? Remember he's not playing anyway. He's under contract, a damned good contract paying more money than he probably can get anywhere else.

    From his side I think he will have to be here at least 3 years or he is pissing away great money that at his age he can't pass up. He's probably gotten the only big payday he's going to have the opportunity to get so he'd better pay attention to it.

    Sure other teams would maybe like to have him. So what??? We have a good quality backup a luxury few teams have now a days. Money wise cause of Wilson's rookie contract we are proabably below what we would need to spend for 2 QBs.

    Not sure but don't think the team can do a thing about reworking Wilson's rookie contract until the 3rd of 4 years. So why trade Flynn till then? Again, I think he has no leverage at all. Smartest move he could make is stick it out for 2 more seasons. Then look at his options. I'd wager he could stay here at that point with money about like Matt made with the Tits.

    I know that most players would rather play on a losing team than sit on a winning one. But there is the chance here that he could be a hero now and then and still have a rosey retirement. Not get knocked around like so many active players do. Go off into the sunset with enough money to not be forced to work again and have wonderful storys to tell his grandchildren about Grandpa's days in the NFL.

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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:56 am
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    skater18000 wrote:So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2


    You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Of those 2 teams in Jacksonville and NY Jets, the Jets won't even play him over a horrible starter. So that tells me atleast 31 teams wouldn't play him over their current starters. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best. So even if you get a 3rd rounder for Flynn, which is unlikely, you are drafting someone in the same round with no experience and is a project.

    Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.


    You've given examples of backups that were good, but none were players picked up with the idea that "we need a great back-up behind our starter", all 3 were players that were picked up as potential starters in the future (or in Brady's case, probably a potential back-up, it's hardly as if Belicheck drafted him saying "we need a great back-up behind Bledsoe", he drafted him thinking "maybe we can do something with this guy").

    Young was a guy traded for by Walsh because he was impressed by his abilities - but he also had a 1-2 TD-INT ratio at Tampa Bay, hardly the same situation Flynn was in. Similarly, Warner was a guy that was cut by the Packers and played Arena football - and when he was picked up by the Rams, was sent to Amsterdam to develop. They didn't pick him up thinking "we need a great back-up", they saw potential they hoped could translate to the NFL and they wre successful.

    Flynn is a totally different situation in that he was brought in to compete for the starter's job, failed to win it because a guy yougner than him was better than him, and now he's stuck here as a good player that's on the bench - there's hardly a comparable situation, almost any time a team has a back-up that's good enough to start for another team, they trade him or let him hit free agency because they're too expensive to keep on/can get more value from a draft pick for them.

    In recent years see - Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton (albeit he was cut rather than traded because the Broncos didn't feel they needed him/he wasn't good enough).
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:43 am
  • Radish, he can hold out. Not show up for anything and force us to find another back up. It's not like he is going to come to all the OTA's, preseason and then sat, I'm not gonna play.

    I also believe teams wouldn't hold it against him either based on the circumstances.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:54 am
  • RichNhansom wrote:Radish, he can hold out. Not show up for anything and force us to find another back up. It's not like he is going to come to all the OTA's, preseason and then sat, I'm not gonna play.

    I also believe teams wouldn't hold it against him either based on the circumstances.


    I think teams would hold it against him to a degree. Holdouts aren't viewed kindly by any teams, though they're understood as part of the business when it comes to players using leverage to secure a new contract.

    Here's the thing, though. Flynn has no leverage to hold out. His skillset isn't so irreplaceable that the team will be in dire straits without him. They can give Josh Johnson (or some other vet) his reps and hand that guy the clipboard, all while docking Flynn's pay. And if they bury him on the depth chart, that's going to destroy any bargaining power his agent has should he be cut loose at some point and end up on the market. Instead of being the "team-first backup with starter potential" that lots of teams target in FA, he'll be the "got beat out, sulked, and held out guy." That perception will cost him.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:50 am
  • I don't think Flynn is better than Wilson at this point, but I think he might have been in those first few games. Flynn does have a good quick/short passing game. The offense would have certainly been different. I think Flynn would have taken some sacks, but I also think he would have beat some blitzes from the pocket.

    I just like Flynn and don't want him going anywhere until Seattle has a quality backup. Flynn HAS played and he didn't look bad in preseason. There were some drops, but he was generally able to move the offense with a decent pace. I am glad Wilson is the QB and he has certainly earned the job, but having Flynn around does not hurt this team in any way.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:54 am
  • RichNhansom wrote:Personally I think Flynn will force either a trade or release. .


    I don't think he will force a release and there are a few reasons for it such as $$$$$$

    It is a HUGE risk to go for a release. At the end of the day the Seahawks would be fine with him sitting out would save lots of money.......

    he may push for a trade which the front office will oblige IF and ONLY IF it is deemed to provide equal or more value to the organization than keeping him on the bench
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:00 am
  • Via Clayton's latest mailbag... remember Clayton was very much in the 'start Flynn' camp at the start of the year...

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/87368 ... ordinators

    Q: I was wondering what you think are Matt Flynn's prospects for 2013. He was signed by the Seahawks in the offseason to a three-year contract with $10 million in guaranteed money to be the starter, but he's not a starter. Do you see any teams possibly trading for him in the offseaon or if he is released, do you think being benched in favor of rookie Russell Wilson will hurt his value in the open market next year?

    John in Naperville, Ill.

    A: As with most trades in the NFL, you look at the contract before you look at the player in a trade. Flynn has value, but the Seahawks can't get much for him in a trade. Maybe they can get a conditional sixth or seventh, but very few teams will want to pick up that $6.5 million contract. If he is cut, he'll have a few teams bidding on him.


    So there we go. A conditional sixth or seventh sounds about right to me.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:08 am
  • Disagree but we will see at the end of next year.

    Teams are willing to pay $20 million-ish for 3 years for unproven college qb's. If they don't have big money riding on the qb position there is room to pay between $5million to $20 million for the qb position. $6.5 million may be a tad much but it in no way limits many of the teams that will be looking at qbs.

    The big upside for a trade is - there is no great qb prospect in the draft. Barkley left $10 million (at least) on the table by not going last year.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:16 am
  • mikeak wrote:Disagree but we will see at the end of next year.

    Teams are willing to pay $20 million-ish for 3 years for unproven college qb's. If they don't have big money riding on the qb position there is room to pay between $5million to $20 million for the qb position. $6.5 million may be a tad much but it in no way limits many of the teams that will be looking at qbs.

    The big upside for a trade is - there is no great qb prospect in the draft. Barkley left $10 million (at least) on the table by not going last year.


    Well, they're willing to pay $20million to the #1 overall pick for four years. And calling a guy like Andrew Luck 'unproven' belittles the amount of talent he was bringing into the league. Ryan Tannehill - the #8 overall pick - signed a $12m deal for four years with a team option for a fifth year. Seattle signed Flynn to his current deal seemingly unchallenged. Did any other team offer him a contract? So a year on, does someone turn around and say... "Yeah, you know, actually we want him after all"?

    And for all the teeth gnashing about the QB's in this draft class - for me - Matt Barkley, Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson all have a chance to be solid starters. And I expect one will end up in Kansas City either at #1, #2 or #3 in the next draft. So I'm not sure Barkley cost himself $10m. It's too early to tell. Scouts will remember who coached that USC team this year. Kiffin really did a piss poor job.

    We got barely anything for Tarvaris Jackson (7th rounder). Flynn's on a lot more money and despite a lot of people believing he's suddenly going to have this great market... chance are it isn't going to happen. And he'll be on this roster next year backing up Wilson. Unless the Seahawks truly are willing to let him walk for minimal compensation to get 'his shot'.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:15 am
  • themunn wrote:
    SEC FAN wrote:You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Of those 2 teams in Jacksonville and NY Jets, the Jets won't even play him over a horrible starter. So that tells me atleast 31 teams wouldn't play him over their current starters. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best. So even if you get a 3rd rounder for Flynn, which is unlikely, you are drafting someone in the same round with no experience and is a project.

    Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.


    You've given examples of backups that were good, but none were players picked up with the idea that "we need a great back-up behind our starter", all 3 were players that were picked up as potential starters in the future (or in Brady's case, probably a potential back-up, it's hardly as if Belicheck drafted him saying "we need a great back-up behind Bledsoe", he drafted him thinking "maybe we can do something with this guy").

    Young was a guy traded for by Walsh because he was impressed by his abilities - but he also had a 1-2 TD-INT ratio at Tampa Bay, hardly the same situation Flynn was in. Similarly, Warner was a guy that was cut by the Packers and played Arena football - and when he was picked up by the Rams, was sent to Amsterdam to develop. They didn't pick him up thinking "we need a great back-up", they saw potential they hoped could translate to the NFL and they wre successful.

    Flynn is a totally different situation in that he was brought in to compete for the starter's job, failed to win it because a guy yougner than him was better than him, and now he's stuck here as a good player that's on the bench - there's hardly a comparable situation, almost any time a team has a back-up that's good enough to start for another team, they trade him or let him hit free agency because they're too expensive to keep on/can get more value from a draft pick for them.

    In recent years see - Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton (albeit he was cut rather than traded because the Broncos didn't feel they needed him/he wasn't good enough).


    In fairness I was replying to a different comment earlier. A comment about good teams don't have good back ups. I just listed some names off the top of my head. I also listed guys like Reich, Hostettler, and Doug Williams. I could add plenty more like Kerry Collins or a Billy Volek. In fact Billy Voleks career path is similar to Flynns. He was brought in to compete with Phillip Rivers at one time yet stayed there for the rest of his career as a quality backup. Volek had some great starts in Tennessee and showed flashes like Flynn did in Green Bay. Sure San Diego could have traded him for a potential 6th or 7th but they liked the insurance Volek gave them. They groomed clip board Jesus and traded their #3 QB for .....well you know the story. Now if you can get a 2nd for Flynn well then I get it. But like I said earlier when I was talking with skater you better have an answer at back up and Klein and Tebow are projects in fact they are similar in that they have 2 of the worst throwing motions and need work on their foot work and. In Kleins case his throwing motion is not only bad but he doesn't step into his throws enough and needs to work on his foot work.

    Anyways, I'm kind of done with this topic. But I will add something. Flynn is guaranteed 5.25 million if rotoworld is correct next year. 2 million is guaranteed. So yes you could cut him or ask him to rework his contract but the Seahawks have shown in the past with clip board Jesus they don't mind paying a back up QB to compete with the stater. I think clip board Jesus and TJack both made 4 million a season so the 5.25 is not far off. But hey what do I know I just have facts based on this regimes history. And don't fool yourself thinking Flynn has showed what Schaub or Cassell has. He hasn't even done what Kolb in Philly yet.
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Re: Matt Flynn...
Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:11 am
  • This debate about Flynn's value is interesting. But I still don't see what he did last week to do anything to improve his stock. He played adequate in a blowout with backups against a team that had quit 2 qtrs. But some are acting like he came in an warranted all the pre-season hype and Flynnatics calls for him to start. Really?! He had a couple nice plays. But he also had a couple flat out misses. A couple overthrows that Hasselbeck early in the season would've scolded Wilson for. Flynn didn't do anything to make him worth more. Let's get real. His value at this contract like likely a 5th or 6th. A 4th if the right team fell in love. Other than that, we should chill on expecting much.
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