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For those who said that flynn was only worth a 4th round pick at best, please tell me that this offseason we're not getting better than a 4th round pick now after how he played.

Great throw to Jermaine Kearse on 4th and 23 on Arizona's 25 yard line (dropped)

4th and 20, he makes a great throw for the first down to Sidney rice (penalty for the Hit on Sidney Rice gave him the extra yardage needed for the 1st down)

Also from memory, he made a nice play by throwing a db off him and making nice throw.

5 for 9, 55.6 completion percentage, 68 yards, 7.56 ypa, 27 long, 79.9 QB rating

Stats are skewed by a few drops and limited opportunities but not a bad preformance

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Way to call out those guys that said that.

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Stats be damned, the guy looked good. But temper it with the knowledge that the Cards D had basically quit by the time he got in th game. That said, I do believe he would have a chance to help us win if he was needed.

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He really put some mustard on that pass where Sidney got blown up.

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Missed an easy TD throw...but I am in complete agreement with you. We'd be stupid to let him go for a 4th. Stupid.


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I feel very good with him as a back up. I think he could pull a game or two out in place of Russ...in garbage time of coarse, not injury.


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I didn't think Flynn really showed a whole lot, "almost" plays against a completely defeated team is not going to get us an early round pick.


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Really? Seriously? I was a Flynn supporter at the beginning of the season. I didn't think Wilson wold develop into an NFL caliber QB this season. I learned something that apparently you didn't. A QB needs time to develop. Judging him by his performance in a quarter and a half of waste time with back ups is purely asinine.


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Really? Seriously? I was a Flynn supporter at the beginning of the season. I didn't think Wilson wold develop into an NFL caliber QB this season. I learned something that apparently you didn't. A QB needs time to develop. Judging him by his performance in a quarter and a half of waste time with back ups is purely asinine.


You're joking right... must not have watch Matt Flynn vs the lions and @ patriots... he showed me what i've already seen...

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Flynn...
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He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


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He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...

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Trade him because it's the right thing to do. The guy wants to be a starter in the NFL and if you can get a decent trade for him and give him his opportunity to start then let him go. If he wants to stay and is content being the backup then so be it.
I personally don't feel there will be much trade value for him though, just like when he walked in the door here, he has done nothing to separate himself from the crowd since arriving other then his ability to call tails.


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He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think he was just commenting on a hypothetical someone else brought up...

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Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You're making too much sense SEC, everybody knows that we could find a good or a so so backup in the 7th round, or maybe even trade for another backup away from say,eh, the Arizona Tards QB pool or somebodys cast off around the League somewhere.
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He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...

That's a dream. Nobody is giving a 2nd for Flynn. He's not going from zero market to early pick worthy because of this game, which wasn't notable, when had 2 crazy stat starts. Doesn't make sense.


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He played garbage time in a 58-0 beat down.

I'm one of those people who thinks we'll do well to get more than a 4th rounder for him. There was barely any interest when he was available as a free agent, his old coach was lukewarm at best about signing him and the only other interested party was Seattle. He's since not won the job here. And while some new teams have emerged needing a quarterback this season, there's hardly a laundry list of obvious suitors. Try selling Matt Flynn as the answer to the fans and owners in Kansas City or New York.

And he'll be 28 years old at the start of next season too. It's not old, but it's likely too old to give up significant draft stock for a physically unspectacular career backup.


The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...

That's a dream. Nobody is giving a 2nd for Flynn. He's not going from zero market to early pick worthy because of this game, which wasn't notable, when had 2 crazy stat starts. Doesn't make sense.


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Trade him because it's the right thing to do. The guy wants to be a starter in the NFL and if you can get a decent trade for him and give him his opportunity to start then let him go. If he wants to stay and is content being the backup then so be it.
I personally don't feel there will be much trade value for him though, just like when he walked in the door here, he has done nothing to separate himself from the crowd since arriving other then his ability to call tails.

Call a coin toss, AND, beat out Tarvaris Jackson, whome everyone thought would be a GREAT--BACK-UP eh?


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Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I made no reference to whether I'd trade him for a fourth rounder. I said I couldn't see a team offering much more than that.

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The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...


This seems incredibly wishful. I expect three quarterbacks to go in round one of the draft as things stand today (Matt Barkley, Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson) and there's another QB out there that not many people are talking about who could get into the mix (David Fales at San Jose State). Plus, there are other logical options who could go in round two or three (Aaron Murray, Mike Glennon and Landry Jones). So really, while there's no Andrew Luck or RGIII in this class, there are still plenty of options.

I'm not sure who these teams are you think might be willing to trade a second rounder. Kansas City's second rounder is going to be the #33 or #34 overall pick. They are not trading that for Matt Flynn. They are also unlikely to go for a 28-year-old career backup after years of 'getting by' at QB. Buffalo have just wasted a lot of money on Ryan Fitzpatrick - a player not completely unlike Flynn. The New York Jets have millions tied into Sanchez and good luck selling Matt Flynn as the answer to that fan base. Jacksonville's owner appears to like flashy statement-type moves. I see him trading for Tebow (ticket sales) before Flynn. Philly might as well go with Foles. Arizona and Seattle aren't going to do this trade as division rivals.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see him go, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay, honestly. But, whatever happens, in PC/JS I trust.

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Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I made no reference to whether I'd trade him for a fourth rounder. I said I couldn't see a team offering much more than that.

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The reason he didn't get other suitors is because their were only 6 QB needy teams (Colts, Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and the Seahawks of course) so all the teams had their eyes on better quarterbacks than Flynn (except for maybe Brandon Weeden) so... this year the quarterbacks out their shouldn't be as good... probably 3 first round quarterbacks and maybe a few later guys (Landry Jones and Aaron Murray) and Matt Flynn is better than any of the free agents (besides Joe Flacco) So... a 2nd round pick for the 3rd or 4th best available quarterback... other teams will agree...


This seems incredibly wishful. I expect three quarterbacks to go in round one of the draft as things stand today (Matt Barkley, Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson) and there's another QB out there that not many people are talking about who could get into the mix (David Fales at San Jose State). Plus, there are other logical options who could go in round two or three (Aaron Murray, Mike Glennon and Landry Jones). So really, while there's no Andrew Luck or RGIII in this class, there are still plenty of options.

I'm not sure who these teams are you think might be willing to trade a second rounder. Kansas City's second rounder is going to be the #33 or #34 overall pick. They are not trading that for Matt Flynn. They are also unlikely to go for a 28-year-old career backup after years of 'getting by' at QB. Buffalo have just wasted a lot of money on Ryan Fitzpatrick - a player not completely unlike Flynn. The New York Jets have millions tied into Sanchez and good luck selling Matt Flynn as the answer to that fan base. Jacksonville's owner appears to like flashy statement-type moves. I see him trading for Tebow (ticket sales) before Flynn. Philly might as well go with Foles. Arizona and Seattle aren't going to do this trade as division rivals.

So who's trading a second rounder for Flynn?


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Even the ravens if Joe flacco won't resign, but that's highly unlikely

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Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I made no reference to whether I'd trade him for a fourth rounder. I said I couldn't see a team offering much more than that.


Okay, I figured that. Skater, seriously man....and this goes for anyone out there. You want to trade/fire anyone, then give me your answer too. You wanna trade Flynn, fire Carroll, whatever, then you better have a better answer to take that spot. Their is a reason why Carroll/Schneider kept guys like Kelly Jennings and Marcus Trufant......they didn't have a better answer!!!!!! So when you want to ship off Matt Flynn than the least you can do is provide the answer.

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Excuse me BUT even though I loved that Flynn got in the game and showed something. He is not RW. I remember in the preseason all the Flynn supporters downplaying RW because he was playing in the second half against 3rd and 4th strings (BTW there are no 4th strings) Anyways it was good to see Flynn play. I am stoked we have a good backup but he did it against a demoralized team that had quit on the game against second stringers and firsts who were going through the motions. So if it was good enough to poo poo it in the pre season with RW we can do the same here. Do not get me wrong. I am stoked absoulutly stoked we have one of the best backups in the league. But as long as we have RW that is exactly what he is a BACKUP.

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Why? Just why? Is that 4th rounder so coveted that we trade our back up plan? I'm not saying that you want to trade him English, trust me I want to believe you are smarter then that and I think you are. Flynn doesn't make that much and if you combine what he and RW3 makes its peanuts compared to what other starters make. Why are some people so hell bent on trading him? Screw the god damn 3rd at best and more likely 4th or worst, I want a capable back up. My god!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I made no reference to whether I'd trade him for a fourth rounder. I said I couldn't see a team offering much more than that.


Okay, I figured that. Skater, seriously man....and this goes for anyone out there. You want to trade/fire anyone, then give me your answer too. You wanna trade Flynn, fire Carroll, whatever, then you better have a better answer to take that spot. Their is a reason why Carroll/Schneider kept guys like Kelly Jennings and Marcus Trufant......they didn't have a better answer!!!!!! So when you want to ship off Matt Flynn than the least you can do is provide the answer.

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So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2

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So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2


You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Of those 2 teams in Jacksonville and NY Jets, the Jets won't even play him over a horrible starter. So that tells me atleast 31 teams wouldn't play him over their current starters. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best. So even if you get a 3rd rounder for Flynn, which is unlikely, you are drafting someone in the same round with no experience and is a project.

Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.


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Steve Young didn't skedaddle sitting behind Joe Montana. Don't know the particulars on that though.

Why do we want to start talking about getting rid of Flynn? BS, keep him, we might need him.


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So its hard to find a liable BACKUP... Tebow, Collin Klein, Travis Jackson are u kidding me.... plenty of good backups that will come here for way less money 2


You want Tebow, Klein, TJack over Matt Flynn? [/quote]

And a 2nd rounder and about $5,000, 000 of cap room back... btw great teams don't have great backups, I want a quarterback that can win 7-9 (TJack) Tjack is a great fit as a backup and the only reason heist the backup right now is because we stole a conditional from the bills... haha... he could come back...

[/quote]We already know the coaches prefer Flynn over TJack. So that leaves us with Klein and Tebow. I can't say you are wrong but only 2 teams wanted Tebow. Klein isn't available until next year and he will be a rookie. He is a project middle round pick at best.

Flynn has experience, starter appeal, and his salary isn't that much. Remember he was just about our starter this year, but was beat out by the rookie of the year (potentially) who is leading his team to the playoffs.

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And a 2nd rounder and about $5,000, 000 of cap room back... btw great teams don't have great backups, I want a quarterback that can win 7-9 (TJack) Tjack is a great fit as a backup and the only reason heist the backup right now is because we stole a conditional from the bills... haha... he could come back...


Okay this is getting stupid. TJack isn't even the number 1 backup on a horrible Bills team. Great teams don't have good back ups? Like when Walsh picked up Young from the USFL to back up Montana, Rams picked up Warner from Arena Football to back up Trent Green, Patriots had Brady in the 6th I believe to back up Bledsoe, Stealers had Rapistburger to back up O'Donnell. Even when I was a little kid I remember Doug Williams, Frank Reich, and Hostetler were back ups who won/went to SuperBowls.

Like I said my friend the coaches already prefer Flynn over TJack so your TJack dreams need to go. That choice has been made. LOL, some Seattle people get so attached to sentimental guys like TJack. Reminds me of Seneca Wallace SMH.


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Steve Young didn't skedaddle sitting behind Joe Montana. Don't know the particulars on that though.

Why do we want to start talking about getting rid of Flynn? BS, keep him, we might need him.


We'll see.

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We aren't getting a 4th for him no way, no how. I say keep him and try and get him to restructure that deal sometime in a future offseason.

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The Raiders aren't going to give up a high pick after they recently gave two firsts for Carson Palmer.


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There's no way Flynn is on this roster next year. His contract is too much for a backup QB. I honestly think we'll cut him after this year. Who wants to trade for an old career backup?

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Flynn didn't look half bad out there today. I'd trade him in a second for the right deal. I'd take TJ! and a 5th.

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All I have 2 say is "we'll see..." but when it happens remember who told u we would get a 2nd round pick for him.

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All I have 2 say is "we'll see..." but when it happens remember who told u we would get a 2nd round pick for him.

Alright.

Hey guys, the NFL Draft will be interrupted by a stampede of unicorns.

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Gotta say, Flynn today reminded me of (a 2003-2004) Hasselbeck, just his style his reads, the way he moves, quick decisions, etc. Even though I don't think Flynn had great stats, he looked good, looked ready, and I would be confident he could perform well if called upon with a game in the balance.
Flynn's salary cap money is a bit of a problem though, but probably not that much given that Wilson is making peanuts. I expect PC/JS to absolutely keep Flynn next year, or two, unless some unbeatable offer comes along, or a good backup gets drafted later in the draft.
This year, there were some sleeper gem rookies, several of which are now playing--Kirk Cousins in Washington, Nick Foles in Philly, and darned if there isn't one more I can't immediately think of (besides Ryan Lindley), but IIRC, all were 3rd-4th-5th-roundish or later. So I'd expect PC/JS will look to pick up a Kirk Cousins-type player in the the 4th-6th round in the next draft(s) and have a good backup plan already in place before even considering trading Flynn.

Oh yeah, and does anyone remember Gary Kubiak before he was the coach of the Texans? Remember what else he was? (Drum roll...)
Yeah, that's right, he was John Elway's backup. And every time that Elway missed a game for the Broncos against the Seahawks, it seemed like Kubiak came in and played as well or better than Elway would have, and the Broncos beat the Seahawks every time I can recall that Kubiak started.


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Why is it that Flynn has to go again?


Is there some etched-in-stone reason other than he makes a little money? I like Flynn on this roster and either want him right where he is or beating out Wilson in camp.

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Steve Young didn't skedaddle sitting behind Joe Montana. Don't know the particulars on that though.

Why do we want to start talking about getting rid of Flynn? BS, keep him, we might need him.


Aaron Rogers as well... brady behind bledsoe!! a lot of good backs ups waited to get there shot.

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Flynn hasn't played since pre-season made some nice throws and showed some ability to escape a pass rusher, he can play. They should be able to get a third round pick for him.


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All I have 2 say is "we'll see..." but when it happens remember who told u we would get a 2nd round pick for him.

Why do I have the feeling we'll be seeing this quote for a while much like the one of cboom's about Russ we see all the time?

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i dont know what game you were watching but he missed a couple of easy td passes.. notice how our drives started to stall and we started kicking fg after fg when he came in.. im not gona say he looked terrible.. cuz he didn't.. but for a guy to come in with a 40somethin point lead and not be able to score on that defense.. he didnt do great. oh yeah and id rather we punt the ball then have our number 1 receiver take a hit like he did.. very lucky he wasn't injured there....


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trade him and bring back tjack as a backup!!! holla


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Do you people actually watch the game ? Flynn "missed" that first TD pass because it was tipped at the line. Wilson also had one tipped at the line, but since he walked on water after that, I guess it didn't matter. Flynn also had two passes dropped.

The knock on Flynn was that he isn't athletic, has a noodle arm, and limited experience. I saw evidence of none of that last game. A defender had him dead to rights; Flynn broke the tackle and made a play. This guy hasn't had starting practice reps all regular season. He had a better completion percentage than Wilson. The Cardinals might've "given up", but they were still A gap blitzing the shit out of Flynn, and he handled it fine. He almost got a 1st down on 4th and forever, when teams know it's coming. Yes, he has a limited sample size, but at some point, EVERY time he comes in, and he looks good, maybe it's cuz he's good.

I see a lot of people saying "we've gotta trade Flynn....he makes too much money". Really ? We can keep Flynn for one simple reason: we have a starting QB that is getting paid 3rd round money. Seriously, we're not even paying late 1st round money for Wilson. You can't ever get a starting QB for that money. We can fit both on the roster if needed.

Oh, FLynn had almost no interest in the FA market. Well, you had Manning, which had everyone chasing after him. Then, you have probably the best QB top heavy draft in the last decade. If you're Indy, Waash, Stl (didn't need a QB), you're going after Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, etc. Like someone said, FLynn is 28....go after a younger guy is sometimes preferrable. I think his market is in the iddle of "he aint worth a 4th rounder" and "he's worth Fitz and a 1st rounder".

And seriously, how would he not be worth a 4th rounder ? I don't konw many teams that wouldn't give up a 4th rounder for a sure quality backup.


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Do you people actually watch the game ? Flynn "missed" that first TD pass because it was tipped at the line. Wilson also had one tipped at the line, but since he walked on water after that, I guess it didn't matter. Flynn also had two passes dropped.

The knock on Flynn was that he isn't athletic, has a noodle arm, and limited experience. I saw evidence of none of that last game. A defender had him dead to rights; Flynn broke the tackle and made a play. This guy hasn't had starting practice reps all regular season. He had a better completion percentage than Wilson. The Cardinals might've "given up", but they were still A gap blitzing the shit out of Flynn, and he handled it fine. He almost got a 1st down on 4th and forever, when teams know it's coming. Yes, he has a limited sample size, but at some point, EVERY time he comes in, and he looks good, maybe it's cuz he's good.

I see a lot of people saying "we've gotta trade Flynn....he makes too much money". Really ? We can keep Flynn for one simple reason: we have a starting QB that is getting paid 3rd round money. Seriously, we're not even paying late 1st round money for Wilson. You can't ever get a starting QB for that money. We can fit both on the roster if needed.

Oh, FLynn had almost no interest in the FA market. Well, you had Manning, which had everyone chasing after him. Then, you have probably the best QB top heavy draft in the last decade. If you're Indy, Waash, Stl (didn't need a QB), you're going after Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, etc. Like someone said, FLynn is 28....go after a younger guy is sometimes preferrable. I think his market is in the iddle of "he aint worth a 4th rounder" and "he's worth Fitz and a 1st rounder".

And seriously, how would he not be worth a 4th rounder ? I don't konw many teams that wouldn't give up a 4th rounder for a sure quality backup.


I wouldn't trade him for a 4th unless you want to make sure he's out of the division. He's worth a third imo. I think he's going to be a good QB for someone he'd be a huge upgrade for a team like Arizona and your 100 percent correct the ball was tipped or it would have been six.


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So... who's going to trade for Flynn? Arizona? Another old backup QB? No.

Philadelphia? Nick Foles or drafting. Minnesota? The Jets? Jacksonville? Oakland? Kansas City?

I don't see any of these teams trading a lot for Kolb... I mean, uh Flynn. Flynn has looked OK at best.

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I'd rather they just kept him than dump him for a fourth.


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I get a little feisty when people post on here "Facts" on their arguments, and I've read 3 times that Flynn "missed" that 1st throw.

I wouldn't trade Flynn at all, unless I could get a 2nd for him, and there was a QB in the 2nd round that I knew could come in and play. If Wilson gets hurt, and Flynn is gone, who do we have ? You want ugly....that's ugly. And scary. My point was that a solid backup that can get you wins is easily worth a 4th rounder. GM's in this league know it too.....look around. How many QBs have been hurt this year ? People castigated SHanahan (which is one of the best offensive minds in football) about drafting 2 QBs. Cousins already validated that pick in one half of one quarter. Our resident draft experts liked Cousins, at least a lot of the ones I read on this site did.

I'm just saying, in looking at how he comes in and plays, while sitting on the bench the entire season, he always plays well. At NE, as a rookie, he played very well. And NE's defense was better back then. Vs. Detroit, he had a career day. Sure, Detroit's secondary is bad, but they have an elite DL. Look what they did to us, and our run game. Then he gets limited time here. Yup, it was a Cards team that had "given up". They were still blitzing the crap out of him. He changed the run calls a few times to a different side, completed 55% of his passes, and looked pretty polished.

I'm of the opinion that you can only make so many excuses for a guy, and you can only make so many against a guy. Problem is, he'll be too old before it's mainstream knowledge. I feel as bad for him, as I feel good for Wilson. Sadly, when soemone wins, someone else has to lose.


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