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  • Does not have a single touchdown catch. That's just crazy.

    He's been open for a few and the QB didn't see him, and gotten close a few other times. Miller is solid, and I wish we used him more. I'd like to see him have a huge game this Sunday.

    I'm beyond unimpressed with McCoy and Moore, although Moore hasn't had many looks. Where the heck has McCoy been since his TD catch against the Cowpukes?? TE - along with WR - needs serious attention this off-season.
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  • I loved when we signed Miller and am PISSED that we are not using him as we should.

    I hope he doesn't fall prey to the Law of Diminished Returns.
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  • That is because he is an offensive lineman now.
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  • Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.
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  • 2nd most catches on the team behind Rice....oh dear god that is crazy.
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  • iigakusei wrote:2nd most catches on the team behind Rice....oh dear god that is crazy.


    Posting Seahawks receiving stats as some kind of evidence is comical. They suck across the board.

    He has 14 catches through 7 games, a whopping average of two per game.

    As stated, he is not being utilized correctly.
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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.

    not true. Bevell used Shiancoe quite a bit in Minnesota
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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.



    Thats not entirely true , Shaincoe had really solid years while playing for the Vikings under Bevell
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  • SeaMeat wrote:I loved when we signed Miller and am PISSED that we are not using him as we should.

    I hope he doesn't fall prey to the Law of Diminished Returns.


    The Law of Dimished returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant, will at some point yield lower per-unit returns. For example, if you have one piece of really good pizza- the 2nd piece won't taste quite as good.

    I'm not sure how this fits in with Miller- we haven't had a good piece of pizza yet, because we fail to utilize him as nothing more than a blocker.
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  • We all knew this would happen. He's a lineman now. If he's on your fantasy team, and I'm assuming that is why you might care about him so much, drop him. He won't he catching a lot of passes anytime soon. If he can block better, I'd be okay with him sticking around. I'd like to see us use more TE routes but until our O line can protect a rookie QB better, he's a blocker. Get used to it
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  • FargoHawk wrote:
    Bigpumpkin wrote:Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.

    not true. Bevell used Shiancoe quite a bit in Minnesota


    Shiancoe also didn't have to stay in to block all the time - he had a big-boy offensive line that didn't need the help.

    It's a different thing here...
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  • I really wish we could have kept Winslow.....he seemed like a perfect compliment to Miller. A long athletic TE that could beat LB's in zone coverage.

    Now other teams don't have to respect our TE threat because Miller's in to help block on most offensive plays because Moore and McCoy aren't consistent enough to warrant attention.
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  • When's the last time we ran a short pass play to the TE from a play action? Holmgren days?
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  • He is not utilized correctly. He should be utilized closer to the way Dallas utilize Jason Witten.
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  • He is the victim of 2 quarterbacks one of whom could not make a second read and one who can't (yet). Hopefully when Russ digests more of the playbook it will improve and hopefully the OLine improves as well. I feel bad for the guy actually.
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  • Much like Rice, he needs many more targets. I remember maybe one pass thrown his way against SF - although he was kept in to help block most of the time.
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  • lukerguy wrote:
    SeaMeat wrote:I loved when we signed Miller and am PISSED that we are not using him as we should.

    I hope he doesn't fall prey to the Law of Diminished Returns.


    The Law of Dimished returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant, will at some point yield lower per-unit returns. For example, if you have one piece of really good pizza- the 2nd piece won't taste quite as good.

    I'm not sure how this fits in with Miller- we haven't had a good piece of pizza yet, because we fail to utilize him as nothing more than a blocker.


    Correct, and as he is used more as a blocking TE his catching abilities will diminish.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:2nd most catches on the team behind Rice....oh dear god that is crazy.


    Posting Seahawks receiving stats as some kind of evidence is comical. They suck across the board.

    He has 14 catches through 7 games, a whopping average of two per game.

    As stated, he is not being utilized correctly.


    I was surprised when I looked it up...I would have guessed he was 4th or 5th.
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  • iigakusei wrote:
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    iigakusei wrote:2nd most catches on the team behind Rice....oh dear god that is crazy.


    Posting Seahawks receiving stats as some kind of evidence is comical. They suck across the board.

    He has 14 catches through 7 games, a whopping average of two per game.

    As stated, he is not being utilized correctly.


    I was surprised when I looked it up...I would have guessed he was 4th or 5th.


    He is on pace to catch a few more than last season...still like to see a lot more.
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  • It's a shame. I think this team has more offensive weapons than ability to use them for whatever reasons at this point.
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  • Chip block then let go...requires a quick out by the QB. Maybe a roll out where the TE just holds his block a moment then let's go. Would be nice if we actually ran basic plays to the TE. You know, TE 101 type stuff. Is it too much to ask for from Bevell and Wilson?
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  • Largent80 wrote:That is because he is an offensive lineman now.


    This is so true it's become comical to me. Why the team ever decided to bring him in just to be a blocking TE is just ridiculous. He is far too valuable to be wasted in this manner.

    What this team really needs to do is find an exclusive blocking TE who would be that extra O-Lineman and have Miller be the second TE who runs passing routes predominately.
    There has to be plenty of these type of blocking TE's out there for the team to find. They are not in that much demand.

    If we can't find one then make Sweazy into a blocking TE for this year to help our right tackle. Is that so hard to figure out for Cable and PC?
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  • kf3339 wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:That is because he is an offensive lineman now.


    This is so true it's become comical to me. Why the team ever decided to bring him in just to be a blocking TE is just ridiculous. He is far too valuable to be wasted in this manner.

    What this team really needs to do is find an exclusive blocking TE who would be that extra O-Lineman and have Miller be the second TE who runs passing routes predominately.
    There has to be plenty of these type of blocking TE's out there for the team to find. They are not in that much demand.

    If we can't find one then make Sweazy into a blocking TE for this year to help our right tackle. Is that so hard to figure out for Cable and PC?


    Exactly. he was a pro bowl pass catching TE, and here he is just a body on the line. This is a huge problem I have with people that say our O-Line is ok or even good. They ARE NOT.
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  • SeaMeat wrote:
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    SeaMeat wrote:I loved when we signed Miller and am PISSED that we are not using him as we should.

    I hope he doesn't fall prey to the Law of Diminished Returns.


    The Law of Dimished returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant, will at some point yield lower per-unit returns. For example, if you have one piece of really good pizza- the 2nd piece won't taste quite as good.

    I'm not sure how this fits in with Miller- we haven't had a good piece of pizza yet, because we fail to utilize him as nothing more than a blocker.


    Correct, and as he is used more as a blocking TE his catching abilities will diminish.



    i'm not so sure his catching abilities would diminish(you know, the once you learn to ride a bicycle syndome). mayge his opportunities.... but that will evolve. :179422:
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  • We only pass in the low 20's in an entire game. Divide it up over 5-6 and a 50% completion rate and 2-3 is all that can be expected. Miller is a really valuable player blocks and catches well. He is not utilized enough , nor is Rice.

    Until they decide to pass more ( which i don't see happening soon)that will continue to be the case
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  • With Baldwin down for the count I think we may see an increased amount of plays that actually involve our TE's in the game. Wilson is going to need all the help he can get.
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  • They will have to let him go next year. There is no way to justify his salary at that level of production, crappy scheme or not.
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  • Largent80 wrote:. This is a huge problem I have with people that say our O-Line is ok or even good. They ARE NOT.


    They are a good RUN blocking O-Line, and the stats prove that. But I can't understand why that doesn't equate to at least a decent pass blocking line.......especially for a unit that's now been together a year, so the communication should be good.
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  • It's been well-documented that Zach Miller's run-blocking is a big part of the line's success. That's a big part of what Pete is paying him for.

    We naturally disagree because Miller is eligible to catch passes and we're looking in every nook and cranny to find ways to boost the passing game, but hey, Pete has built the entire offense around the run game. Take it up with him.
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  • Bump...a positive!
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