Super bowl 50 will cost San Francisco HOW much?!
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SeatownJay":1bieb8a2 said:
Don't even get me started on the City of SF.
So...let me get this straight....
...The city refused to back any public money for the purpose of building the 49ers a new stadium. As a result, the team refocused its attention to Santa Clara because they were willing to fund about 120-150 mil of the 1.3 BILLION dollar stadium.
The NFL uses the Super Bowl as the Carrot to get stadiums built because of the huge influx of $$$ to restaraunts, hotels, and local businesses.
So, the city forks over about 5 mil to build Super Bowl City in downtown SF to host most of the SB activities in the week before the game but didn't have to build the stadium to get the game....IE they are essentially hosting a SB for 5 mil when other cities paid hundreds of million to get a stadium built which got them a SB....
....and then SF complains?
Um....what?
I love the Bay Area, but I gotta tell you the ARROGANCE of people in SF astounds me sometimes. IF ANYONE should be complaining here, I'd think it would be the city of SC for not getting ALL of the SB celebration within it's borders.
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I agree with ya Marvin but hey at least a SB gets to be in that area.Seattle can't have one,I guess it's not big enough which to me is BS- if you factor in the surrounding areas it's plenty big enough.
IndyHawk":3otul8nk said:
No idea.
I guess I'm not really sure what the league is looking for in a site. SF, LA, NY, NO....I kinda get the fame of those particular cities...but they have SBs in Tampa, Houston, etc that don't. No idea what the they are looking for.
Some of them are just "new stadium one time thing" type of deal, but no idea why they wouldn't put one in Seattle...assuming Seattle is even putting in a bid which I don't know.
Marvin49":25ngons1 said:
I work in tourism in Seattle so....
We've put in bids before but the biggest impediment is hotel space and comps made to the nfl. Despite how we appear to the rest of the US, Seattle isn't that big and the SB would basically be a write off, not just from the aforementioned comps but also from passing on business that would be booked at that time. Right now we are hosting tech ready, Microsofts huge convention. It's roughly at this time of year every year.
One aspect that also precludes bidding is that there's no state tourism agency to kick dosh in for the bid so it's essentially up to the various regional DMOs to scrimp and deal broker the entire think.
Marvin49":370n7ima said:
It's not a good deal for the city that already is flush with tourism dollars. They'd be getting competitive RevPar whether the SB was there or not. A comparable convention could generate the same revenue for attendant businesses without the same comp and rebates the NFL wants.
Also, there is a developing paradigm where any city or region that could host a SB or Olympics is past the point where any prestige benefits offset real financial implications, because they've already achieved a level of prestige without those events.
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I agree with Marvin for once. Big events like Super Bowls and Olympics usually end up costing the host cities/areas much more than they gain.Marvin49":2zcn4oun said:
mikeak
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Seattle isn't big enough
As in the stadium doesn't meet the minimum requirement of seats for a super bowl
As in the stadium doesn't meet the minimum requirement of seats for a super bowl
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mikeak":1cij3kh9 said:
Yes it does, it was designed to expand to like 74,000 if necessary.
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Thanks for the imfo but really if Paul Allen wanted a SB he could make that convention move for a year,since he gets all the revenue from the Clink property.He could even I bet build a huge hotel somewhere in there if he chose tomrt144":15uix0mq said:
IndyHawk":dazz79jg said:
Look at just some of the stuff the NFL wants...comp'd. I don't want their sleaze anywhere near here; they can keep it. Especially when they won't even pay a paltry $1 mil for the SB 1 tapes. The SB should be for the fans, not all of these fat rich executive pricks who barely know anything about the sport other than the fact that it prints money for them.
- Free police escorts for team owners
- Use of Presidential suites at the city's top hotels at no-cost
- 35,000 free parking spaces
- All revenue from ticket sales to the game
- Free curbside parking at the NFL House, a "high-end, exclusive drop-in hospitality facility for our most valued and influential guests to meet, unwind, network and conduct business."
- Local police dedicated to anti-counterfeit enforcement, provided at no cost
- Installation of ATM machines at the stadium that accept NFL preferred credit and debit cards, along with the removal of
- ATMs that "conflict with preferred payment services."
- Two top quality bowling venues for an NFL celebrity bowling event
- Portable cell phone towers
- Free promotional space from local newspapers and radio stations for the "NFL Experience" in the month before the game
- Creation of "clean zones" around the stadium and the hotel for NFL execs that prevent "certain activities" as well as suspend new and existing permits for those activities
- Free access to three top golf courses in the months before the game
- Exemption from state, county and municipal taxes
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chris98251":17d1p7ag said:
My understanding is that it was designed to ALLOW for an expansion up to 74,000. That has currently not been done
Per this article: http://old.seattletimes.com/html/seahaw ... 25xml.html
the record was in the 68,000 number then 1,000 seats were added meaning it is still short of 70,000. Sure they have waived it in the past but as currently built the stadium lacks the seats necessary by written rule.
Can it be increased - sure it can and the design allows it. That is different than today being able to hold 74,000
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253hawk":1nm8t31l said:
What a sweet deal for the NFL, zero costs and they get all the profits on everything. douchebags.. I change my mind on wanting a Super Bowl in Seattle. No thanks!
And they want the halftime performers to pay for the privilege now...I mean there is greed and then there is NFL greed. They are just on a whole other level, losing the non-profit stats so now they can hide the figures from all of their scummery. I wouldn't want a SB here even if we met all of their requirements.
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I'm blown away by the Super Bowl city thing. We went to Phoenix last year and the festivities are something like 20-30 miles from the stadium. We wanted to go to the stadium for a Seahawk gathering at McFadden's and there was no direct public transportation until game day. We had to ride the light rail which got us about half way and then call Uber to get us the rest of the way and then do the same on the way home.Marvin49":3tu9e376 said:
This appears to have been about the same setup in New York with festivities in NYC and the SB in Jersey and now they do it again with SF and Santa Clara. It is so expensive to go and then they make it that difficult to participate in everything.
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It is about trying to squeeze every dollar they can out of all people coming to these events. If they can put the event in an out of the way place 20 miles away and you have to use local theives...er uh transportation to get to and from that location because it is not convenient for you to get to and from there, so be it. I went to the game before the xxxxxxx game and they were hoping that there would not be Arizona there in the owl so they could get all the outside money in town instead of just half being the local crowd. They planned on making a mint. Remember I said last year this same thing. We went to the az game and the motel I was in charged 5o or so bucks for the game, and for the owl, 500 per night. If they can get more money going to the cabs or uber or someone else, more power to them for making it worse for the fan. You know them...the ones they covet. HMPH.
peppersjap":1q6iu4yi said:
I think thats just kinda the way it goes.
The more NFL teams build these new stadiums the farther they tend to be from the cities they call "home". The new stadiums are so damn big now its tough to even find SPACE to build them.
Even Oakland has looked outside the city to Stockton or other places just trying to find a good spot.
As these new stadiums get SBs (especially when its the carrot to get the building built), it gonna kinda be the norm that the celebration is in one spot and the game in another.
To their credit tho, while "SB City" gets all the national publicity, there are really evens going on all over the bay. I went to the stadium last sat just to see what was there and found out they had a free Heart concert a mile away at Mission Junior College. Probably not a band everyone is interested in, but there are events in SC, SJ, and elsewhere, not just in SF.
