Sacks? how about Snaps Per Sack.

RussJames":vab6284r said:

As most 'Hawks fans know, Danny Quinn and Pete Carroll prefer using a lot of rotation on the D-line, therefor the typical "sack" stat
doesn't really say a lot about a players total sack production in our squad. Michael Bennett, our sack leader this year, ended the regular
season tied at 29th in the NFL with 8.5 sacks, but played only about half the amount of snaps as guys like Mario Williams (13 sacks) and
Jared Allen (11.5 sacks). That got me wondering, how would guys like Bennett or Avril rank against the top pass rushers when looking
at Snaps Per Sacks, as opposed to just total sacks.

Now, of course sacks aren't everything when rating a player. QB pressures, hurries, TFLs, passes deflected etc. all obviously factor into how
you rate a player. I'm not rating the players, just using a different method to look at the sack stat.

Here's a list of the top 14 defenders in Snaps Per Sacks, with 8 or more sacks on the season.

SNAPS PER SACK
1.) 43.1 - Robert Mathis
2.) 43.7 - Robert Quinn
3.) 58.2 - Greg Hardy
4.) 58.6 - Elvis Dumervil
5.) 60.3 - Jerry Hughes
6.) 63.3 - Justin Houston
7.) 65.3 - Charles Johnson
8.) 67.5 - Aldon Smith
9.) 67.9 - Jason Hatcher
10.) 69.3 - Cliff Avril
11.) 69.3 - Ziggy Ansah
12.) 69.7 - Junior Gallette
13.) 70.6 - Michael Bennett
14.) 71.8 - Cameron Jordan

Mario Williams, who ended the regular season in 4th with 13 sacks, took 77 snaps to get a sack. Chandler Jones
ended the season tied for 7th with 11.5 sacks but took 98 snaps per sack.

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willyum":18g3viix said:

incorporate QB HURRIES into that i guarantee Avril and Bennett both jump up

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RussJames":jwik4cwg said:

As most 'Hawks fans know, Danny Quinn and Pete Carroll prefer using a lot of rotation on the D-line, therefor the typical "sack" stat
doesn't really say a lot about a players total sack production in our squad. Michael Bennett, our sack leader this year, ended the regular
season tied at 29th in the NFL with 8.5 sacks, but played only about half the amount of snaps as guys like Mario Williams (13 sacks) and
Jared Allen (11.5 sacks). That got me wondering, how would guys like Bennett or Avril rank against the top pass rushers when looking
at Snaps Per Sacks, as opposed to just total sacks.

Now, of course sacks aren't everything when rating a player. QB pressures, hurries, TFLs, passes deflected etc. all obviously factor into how
you rate a player. I'm not rating the players, just using a different method to look at the sack stat.

Here's a list of the top 14 defenders in Snaps Per Sacks, with 8 or more sacks on the season.

SNAPS PER SACK
1.) 43.1 - Robert Mathis
2.) 43.7 - Robert Quinn
3.) 58.2 - Greg Hardy
4.) 58.6 - Elvis Dumervil
5.) 60.3 - Jerry Hughes
6.) 63.3 - Justin Houston
7.) 65.3 - Charles Johnson
8.) 67.5 - Aldon Smith
9.) 67.9 - Jason Hatcher
10.) 69.3 - Cliff Avril
11.) 69.3 - Ziggy Ansah
12.) 69.7 - Junior Gallette
13.) 70.6 - Michael Bennett
14.) 71.8 - Cameron Jordan

Mario Williams, who ended the regular season in 4th with 13 sacks, took 77 snaps to get a sack. Chandler Jones
ended the season tied for 7th with 11.5 sacks but took 98 snaps per sack.

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plyka":b0p5wzx3 said:

RussJames":b0p5wzx3 said:

As most 'Hawks fans know, Danny Quinn and Pete Carroll prefer using a lot of rotation on the D-line, therefor the typical "sack" stat
doesn't really say a lot about a players total sack production in our squad. Michael Bennett, our sack leader this year, ended the regular
season tied at 29th in the NFL with 8.5 sacks, but played only about half the amount of snaps as guys like Mario Williams (13 sacks) and
Jared Allen (11.5 sacks). That got me wondering, how would guys like Bennett or Avril rank against the top pass rushers when looking
at Snaps Per Sacks, as opposed to just total sacks.

Now, of course sacks aren't everything when rating a player. QB pressures, hurries, TFLs, passes deflected etc. all obviously factor into how
you rate a player. I'm not rating the players, just using a different method to look at the sack stat.

Here's a list of the top 14 defenders in Snaps Per Sacks, with 8 or more sacks on the season.

SNAPS PER SACK
1.) 43.1 - Robert Mathis
2.) 43.7 - Robert Quinn
3.) 58.2 - Greg Hardy
4.) 58.6 - Elvis Dumervil
5.) 60.3 - Jerry Hughes
6.) 63.3 - Justin Houston
7.) 65.3 - Charles Johnson
8.) 67.5 - Aldon Smith
9.) 67.9 - Jason Hatcher
10.) 69.3 - Cliff Avril
11.) 69.3 - Ziggy Ansah
12.) 69.7 - Junior Gallette
13.) 70.6 - Michael Bennett
14.) 71.8 - Cameron Jordan

Mario Williams, who ended the regular season in 4th with 13 sacks, took 77 snaps to get a sack. Chandler Jones
ended the season tied for 7th with 11.5 sacks but took 98 snaps per sack.

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Playing less snaps means that you are fresher, money does not have to be spent on your backup. Not to mention of course that pass rushers like Bennet will be played in downs more likely to see a pass attempt. Sacks per snap is irrelevant, I you're going to look at sacks then you need to look at sacks per pass attempt.

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RussJames":387x5xwm said:

As most 'Hawks fans know, Danny Quinn and Pete Carroll prefer using a lot of rotation on the D-line, therefor the typical "sack" stat
doesn't really say a lot about a players total sack production in our squad. Michael Bennett, our sack leader this year, ended the regular
season tied at 29th in the NFL with 8.5 sacks, but played only about half the amount of snaps as guys like Mario Williams (13 sacks) and
Jared Allen (11.5 sacks). That got me wondering, how would guys like Bennett or Avril rank against the top pass rushers when looking
at Snaps Per Sacks, as opposed to just total sacks.

Now, of course sacks aren't everything when rating a player. QB pressures, hurries, TFLs, passes deflected etc. all obviously factor into how
you rate a player. I'm not rating the players, just using a different method to look at the sack stat.

Here's a list of the top 14 defenders in Snaps Per Sacks, with 8 or more sacks on the season.

SNAPS PER SACK
1.) 43.1 - Robert Mathis
2.) 43.7 - Robert Quinn
3.) 58.2 - Greg Hardy
4.) 58.6 - Elvis Dumervil
5.) 60.3 - Jerry Hughes
6.) 63.3 - Justin Houston
7.) 65.3 - Charles Johnson
8.) 67.5 - Aldon Smith
9.) 67.9 - Jason Hatcher
10.) 69.3 - Cliff Avril
11.) 69.3 - Ziggy Ansah
12.) 69.7 - Junior Gallette
13.) 70.6 - Michael Bennett
14.) 71.8 - Cameron Jordan

Mario Williams, who ended the regular season in 4th with 13 sacks, took 77 snaps to get a sack. Chandler Jones
ended the season tied for 7th with 11.5 sacks but took 98 snaps per sack.

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MizzouHawkGal":37fqwapm said:

Quinn is a beast no question. But by these parameters it proves we really should sign Bennett and Avril also. Their synergy is ridiculous.

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SalishHawkFan":3rzwd42m said:

plyka":3rzwd42m said:

Sacks per snap is irrelevant, I you're going to look at sacks then you need to look at sacks per pass attempt.

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Good point. And you might as well include hurries per pass attempt at that point and get a really good stat. I like where all this is going.

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According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bennett's 1.4 percent mark in the disrupted dropback percentage metric (a statistic that gauges how often a defender notches a sack, interception, pass defensed or batted ball) ranked tied for 32nd among defensive linemen with 500 or more snaps played. This is not an anomaly for Bennett, as he posted disrupted dropback rates of 1.5 percent, 0.8 percent and 0.2 percent in the 2012, 2011 and 2010 seasons, respectively.

These numbers strongly suggest Bennett isn't quite the impact player his reputation suggests.

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Popeyejones":2kwom9my said:

SalishHawkFan":2kwom9my said:

plyka":2kwom9my said:

Sacks per snap is irrelevant, I you're going to look at sacks then you need to look at sacks per pass attempt.

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Good point. And you might as well include hurries per pass attempt at that point and get a really good stat. I like where all this is going.

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Just came across something like this for Micahel Bennett (includes batted balls and ints instead of hurries, which like you I'd prefer). Sadly they don't have available the overall rates for everyone in the league:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bennett's 1.4 percent mark in the disrupted dropback percentage metric (a statistic that gauges how often a defender notches a sack, interception, pass defensed or batted ball) ranked tied for 32nd among defensive linemen with 500 or more snaps played. This is not an anomaly for Bennett, as he posted disrupted dropback rates of 1.5 percent, 0.8 percent and 0.2 percent in the 2012, 2011 and 2010 seasons, respectively.

These numbers strongly suggest Bennett isn't quite the impact player his reputation suggests.

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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/ ... ree-agents

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