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  • Been discussed to death around here what the issue with the offense is . Plain and simple, the offense has lost its identity ever since marshawn left. And its not just because of marshawn, its because his running style brought an offensive identity to the team. Releasing carpenter,okung, and and trading unger also contributed to this.

    This team is meant to play one way, shut you down with defense and hit you in the mouth. And do the same on offense, line up and run the ball down the defenses throat until they get tired and chew the clock out. Thats how this team is built, and thats why they look so disfunctional right now and have at periods the past 2 years, its because they have gone away from what brought them to the top in the first place. It was beating down teams with the run game and doing the same on defense.

    Trade graham and lane. Get some solid linemen if they can or blocking tight ends, and start running the ball and using play action , the fancy jimmy graham addition was never needed should have just kept unger and paid guys like carpenter and okung.
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  • Better build a time machine to tell 2015 Seahawks that they wont have the O line talent to deliver in the run game in 2017. Short of that, there's nothing to be done than try other stuff or hope the linemen figure it out better each game. We don't have the horses for this race.
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  • mrt144 wrote:Better build a time machine to tell 2015 Seahawks that they wont have the O line talent to deliver in the run game in 2017. Short of that, there's nothing to be done than try other stuff or hope the linemen figure it out better each game. We don't have the horses for this race.

    Pretty much, thats what happens when he get rid of your best offensive linemen and marshawn leaves. This mess is on pete and john. Should have kept unger and carpenter.
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  • Or we actually adjust our offense for those on the roster. Our line sucks, and have talent at skill positions QB/WR/TE. A trade at this point of the season isn't netting us enough to get back to smash mouth style.




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  • Yeah, we want to be that smash mouth, run the ball down you throat team, but we cant do it due to the personnel we have now. Unfortunately our head coach coach cant grasp this and refuses to abandon that philosophy. He even brought in Eddie Lacy as his new big bruising RB to continue the pipe dream. All it has netted us so far is 1 TD on a broken play in 8 quarters, a healthy Eddie Lacy that cant even see the field now and will probably be let go in the next few weeks, and a bottom of the barrel offense. Its almost like Pete doesnt want to score points with his refusal to adapt and thats whats frustrating.
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  • JC, you are talking about a team that has made the divisional for HOW many years straight?

    If you wanna talk about ''messes'' how about you look at any other super bowl team the year after besides the obvious anamoly NE.

    How about we start just respecting the results and going batspit crazy when we actually don't make the divisional round in the not for long league?
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:Yeah, we want to be that smash mouth, run the ball down you throat team, but we cant do it due to the personnel we have now. Unfortunately our head coach coach cant grasp this and refuses to abandon that philosophy. He even brought in Eddie Lacy as his new big bruising RB to continue the pipe dream. All it has netted us so far is 1 TD on a broken play in 8 quarters, a healthy Eddie Lacy that cant even see the field now and will probably be let go in the next few weeks, and a bottom of the barrel offense. Its almost like Pete doesnt want to score points with his refusal to adapt and thats whats frustrating.


    >Lacy
    >Smash mouth bruising RB

    Pick one.
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  • Hilarious that so many tie our success/failure to a running back that hasn't been relevant to winning football in almost 3 years and pretty much quit on the team during a playoff run. The last time I saw Lynch running behind this line, it wasn't pretty. Selective memory...
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  • RussB wrote:Releasing carpenter,okung, and and trading unger also contributed to this.


    You all wanted that to happen.
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  • Crizilla wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:Yeah, we want to be that smash mouth, run the ball down you throat team, but we cant do it due to the personnel we have now. Unfortunately our head coach coach cant grasp this and refuses to abandon that philosophy. He even brought in Eddie Lacy as his new big bruising RB to continue the pipe dream. All it has netted us so far is 1 TD on a broken play in 8 quarters, a healthy Eddie Lacy that cant even see the field now and will probably be let go in the next few weeks, and a bottom of the barrel offense. Its almost like Pete doesnt want to score points with his refusal to adapt and thats whats frustrating.


    >Lacy
    >Smash mouth bruising RB

    Pick one.


    Its neither though. We dont have the luxury of having a RB the leads the league in yards after contact anymore so why do we continue to use that same offense? We opened up the offense in the second half of the 2015 season and were scoring gobs of points and were scary to everybody. Why we resorted to the old formula since then is beyond me.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    RussB wrote:Releasing carpenter,okung, and and trading unger also contributed to this.


    You all wanted that to happen.


    I was going to see, wasn't Carpenter kind of referred to as a draft bust and not that good? Wasn't he actually replaced as a starter the Super Bowl year as late as the Saints playoff game?
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  • 2015, where was Lynch when RW won the big shootout against the Stealers?...Where was the "Smash-mouth" from Lynch for the rest of that season when Wilson & Baldwin was lighting up the competition and setting records?...When Jimmy Graham was injured?, when Rawls was injured?, Wilson still got us a bunch of wins.
    I'm hearing a lot of false echo's.
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  • On D they take unique skill sets and put them in the right positions and schemes.

    On O they take unique skill sets and put them in the wrong positions and schemes.


    It's a head scratcher.
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  • Smash mouth football works, but the blocking has been pretty bad overall.
    On another note, it's time to get over the Lynch thing and move on. He plays for the Raiders, the Raiders don't matter. He's not coming back.
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  • It's not so much the lack of smash mouth football that's the issue, it's the fact that our head coach refuses to evolve and adapt to his personnel.

    Pete keeps banging his scheme head against the wall trying to do what worked 3-4 years ago.

    Yes when we had a good line, a HOF RB in his prime, a REALLY good blocking TE and Russell at his healthiest and fastest, this style of football worked.

    But we don't have ANY of that anymore, yet Pete continues to try instead of changing up our offensive scheme to take advantage of a much smarter Russell, Graham and solid WR core that could thrive in a more up tempo pass heavy offense.
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  • The stubborn is strong in this coaching staff. It's incredibly frustrating to watch other teams adjust, while the Hawks just try the same stuff over and over again. Then come 4th quarter, switch it up. Um.........adjust and adapt.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:It's not so much the lack of smash mouth football that's the issue, it's the fact that our head coach refuses to evolve and adapt to his personnel.

    Pete keeps banging his scheme head against the wall trying to do what worked 3-4 years ago.

    Yes when we had a good line, a HOF RB in his prime, a REALLY good blocking TE and Russell at his healthiest and fastest, this style of football worked.

    But we don't have ANY of that anymore, yet Pete continues to try instead of changing up our offensive scheme to take advantage of a much smarter Russell, Graham and solid WR core that could thrive in a more up tempo pass heavy offense.


    Couldn't agree more. Let's at least try to win with our strengths on offense.
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  • scrummymustard wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:It's not so much the lack of smash mouth football that's the issue, it's the fact that our head coach refuses to evolve and adapt to his personnel.

    Pete keeps banging his scheme head against the wall trying to do what worked 3-4 years ago.

    Yes when we had a good line, a HOF RB in his prime, a REALLY good blocking TE and Russell at his healthiest and fastest, this style of football worked.

    But we don't have ANY of that anymore, yet Pete continues to try instead of changing up our offensive scheme to take advantage of a much smarter Russell, Graham and solid WR core that could thrive in a more up tempo pass heavy offense.


    Couldn't agree more. Let's at least try to win with our strengths on offense.



    As much as I love Pete the motivator, this is arguably his biggest deficiency........and on the flip side what makes Belichick the greatest coach of all time. His ability to evolve, change and adapt year to year, game to game and even series to series with creating schemes and playcalling depending on the weaknesses of his opponents. One week he's smashmouthing, next week he won't even run the ball until the 3rd quarter.

    Pete thinks he can dictate, and that can work on defense when you have 8-9 All Pro's. But it doesn't work most of the time on offense, cause we aren't bigger, faster and stronger than the dudes lining up across from Russell.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    RussB wrote:Releasing carpenter,okung, and and trading unger also contributed to this.


    You all wanted that to happen.


    Why post this antagonizing garbage?!

    We all (every single person here) wanted to trade Unger for Graham plus give up a 1st, and Okung for Fant, and Carp. for Glow??

    That is friggen trolling there. :roll: :pukeface:
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  • I think some of us are being pretty shortsighted on the whole not being able to adapt non offense. That is being done every game. Yes, we want to be run-dominant, but it doesn't mean we're not offering different looks to keep the opposing defense guessing.
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  • Siouxhawk wrote:I think some of us are being pretty shortsighted on the whole not being able to adapt non offense. That is being done every game. Yes, we want to be run-dominant, but it doesn't mean we're not offering different looks to keep the opposing defense guessing.


    Pete and Bevell try Sioux, but it seems more reactionary to what fails on the field during the game. As opposed to a more wholesale "hey this hasn't worked in two years, let's go to a more complex up tempo pass oriented offense this year to take advantage of Russell and our personnel."

    I get it, Pete likes to shorten games with a ball control run game wearing down the defense.........which gives us what happened last week against SF, dictating in the 4th quarter.

    But IMO those are the types of games where if Pete let Russell take over and throw it around we'd win 24-9, not 12-9.

    Predictable is the WORST thing you can be in the NFL, and we're WAY too predictable on offense.
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  • It doesn't matter what type of offense you run if you can't block four dlinemen with five olinemen then your offense will suck.
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  • Smash mouth football requires quality offensive lineman that the Seahawks no longer possess.

    Marshawn was a blessing the Seahawks coaches took for granted.

    Honestly, the Seahawks coaches believe they can always "coach" the players they have and they will be "good enough."

    But, you can only go so far without the talent.

    Seahawks offense lacks talent primarily within their line.
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  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Smash mouth football requires quality offensive lineman that the Seahawks no longer possess.
    WRONG

    Marshawn was a blessing the Seahawks coaches took for granted.

    WRONG

    Honestly, the Seahawks coaches believe they can always "coach" the players they have and they will be "good enough."

    But, you can only go so far without the talent.

    Seahawks offense lacks talent primarily within their line.


    The rest is pretty good though.

    But we never had a quality offensive line. We had some good players, and some that struggled early (Sweezy, Carpenter) and there were injuries (Okung). What we had, and still have, it a killer defense, and a great running back.

    What we were missing last year was a good running back, too many injuries. But now we have Eddie Lacy and Chris Carson, and things are going to turn around.

    But EVERY team starts slow in the NFL. Even the New England Patriots.

    Look at the Dallas Cowboys and their top dollar offensive line, they got spanked Sunday, by a good defense.
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  • ivotuk wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Smash mouth football requires quality offensive lineman that the Seahawks no longer possess.
    WRONG

    Marshawn was a blessing the Seahawks coaches took for granted.

    WRONG

    Honestly, the Seahawks coaches believe they can always "coach" the players they have and they will be "good enough."

    But, you can only go so far without the talent.

    Seahawks offense lacks talent primarily within their line.


    The rest is pretty good though.

    But we never had a quality offensive line. We had some good players, and some that struggled early (Sweezy, Carpenter) and there were injuries (Okung). What we had, and still have, it a killer defense, and a great running back.

    What we were missing last year was a good running back, too many injuries. But now we have Eddie Lacy and Chris Carson, and things are going to turn around.

    But EVERY team starts slow in the NFL. Even the New England Patriots.

    Look at the Dallas Cowboys and their top dollar offensive line, they got spanked Sunday, by a good defense.

    Okung, Carp, and Sweezy is quality compared to the current guys replacing them.

    Okung wasn't the greatest LT but he isn't as bad as Rees. Carp and Sweezy were road graders. The current guys aren't. Heck, I'd gladly take Carp and Sweezy over the current guards.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Siouxhawk wrote:I think some of us are being pretty shortsighted on the whole not being able to adapt non offense. That is being done every game. Yes, we want to be run-dominant, but it doesn't mean we're not offering different looks to keep the opposing defense guessing.


    Pete and Bevell try Sioux, but it seems more reactionary to what fails on the field during the game. As opposed to a more wholesale "hey this hasn't worked in two years, let's go to a more complex up tempo pass oriented offense this year to take advantage of Russell and our personnel."

    I get it, Pete likes to shorten games with a ball control run game wearing down the defense.........which gives us what happened last week against SF, dictating in the 4th quarter.

    But IMO those are the types of games where if Pete let Russell take over and throw it around we'd win 24-9, not 12-9.

    Predictable is the WORST thing you can be in the NFL, and we're WAY too predictable on offense.
    Nailed it. Basically just get up by 10 points and watch the defense playing downhill it will get ugly. Run a quick hit offense from the start get a two score lead and then run the ball and trust your defense to do its thing. It's not rocket science it's Pete being arrogant, stubborn, stupid and getting himself fired if he doesn't adapt starting this Sunday.
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  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    ivotuk wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Smash mouth football requires quality offensive lineman that the Seahawks no longer possess.
    WRONG

    Marshawn was a blessing the Seahawks coaches took for granted.

    WRONG

    Honestly, the Seahawks coaches believe they can always "coach" the players they have and they will be "good enough."

    But, you can only go so far without the talent.

    Seahawks offense lacks talent primarily within their line.


    The rest is pretty good though.

    But we never had a quality offensive line. We had some good players, and some that struggled early (Sweezy, Carpenter) and there were injuries (Okung). What we had, and still have, it a killer defense, and a great running back.

    What we were missing last year was a good running back, too many injuries. But now we have Eddie Lacy and Chris Carson, and things are going to turn around.

    But EVERY team starts slow in the NFL. Even the New England Patriots.

    Look at the Dallas Cowboys and their top dollar offensive line, they got spanked Sunday, by a good defense.

    Okung, Carp, and Sweezy is quality compared to the current guys replacing them.

    Okung wasn't the greatest LT but he isn't as bad as Rees. Carp and Sweezy were road graders. The current guys aren't. Heck, I'd gladly take Carp and Sweezy over the current guards.


    Hindsight....smh. Okung and Carpenter were injury prone, or don't you remember all the "Glass" threads? Sweezy got paid, then missed the whole season. There's a reason they aren't here.
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  • ivotuk wrote:
    Hindsight....smh. Okung and Carpenter were injury prone, or don't you remember all the "Glass" threads? Sweezy got paid, then missed the whole season. There's a reason they aren't here.



    Denver kicked Okung to the curb after one season and they are gunning for a Superbowl. Carpenter, I don't know what he would have done if he would have stayed here. But Sweezy looks like the team knew his back was going to be a problem. I think they would have kept Breno but they drafted Britt to play tackle so they thought the future was set.
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