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 Post subject: Re: Fitzgerald for Flynn?
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No chance. Wouldn't make sense for either side. AZ needs help on their O-line and a credible running threat. Doesn't matter who is behind center if those areas aren't addressed. You're telling me they're going to give up the face of their franchise for a largely unproven QB who will subsequently have absolutely no weapons to throw to whatsoever? Right.

For Seattle, just doesn't make sense to sink that much money in the guy. Added depth the receiving corp. would definitely help, but truly elite QBs don't need all-world receivers to run a dominant offense. I really hope we don't break the bank trying to address that area. Let's develop the pieces we have and add depth in the draft. If there's a good value proposition for an established WR, we should explore that as well. Absolutely no need to pay a king's ransom for a Calvin Johnson/Fitzgerald type.


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Flynn for Dockett, now you're talkin.........salaries are at least in the same ballpark.

I would be down for this even though he is a douche. I just don't see it though unless we throw in a pick as well


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Keep your genitalia out of this, Ryan.

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Just because it smells like one and is marketed as a children's attraction, it doesn't make it a pettting zoo.

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I have seen a few tweets, and some rumblings about Fitz for Flynn .. What do you think??? Possible? If this trade did happen, it would make the off season go by wayyyy to slow. !!!!


Maybe we can trade John Ryan for JJ Watt while we are at it. :sarcasm_on:

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Just because it smells like one and is marketed as a children's attraction, it doesn't make it a pettting zoo.

Lulz.
The petting zoo is in his ice cream van. Sorry, I am replying to a Scottish one. An ice cream lorry.

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Flynn for Calias Campbell and id do it with the quickness

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While I would love to have someone of Fitz's caliber, I do not want to make my enemy stronger. I also do not want to put Flynn in the same division with a possible chip on his shoulder that we would see twice a year.


Are you kidding? Stronger? Flynn would not make AZ stronger if you then took away Fitzgerald. It would make us stronger but certainly the positives brought by Flynn would be offset by the gigantic hole left in Fitz's absense.


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Even my Madden rejected that trade as a farce.


That didn't stop Philly from fleecing Arizona with Kolb.

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No, Larry Fitzgerald has a huge mega contract that I would not want to pay for.
Larry is taking up all the cap space and is the reason why the Cardinals suck.

I think its 8 year 100million dollar contract?


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Of course these seems a bit unrealistic, but we could sweeten the pot. What if we threw in McCoy?

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A few tweets? From who, Manti T'eo's GF?


Wow, not wasting much time there right? :P

On topic it just won't happen, it makes no sense and would cost us too much and impair our ability to give our core dudes extension down the road. Would do more harm then good it seems.

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I would not want to pay larrys contract... period.. we need someon that can get seperation.. and great hands... we dont need anything more..
Quick seperation and burst...... .... so when the play breaks down wilson can find someone open.

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we need someon that can get seperation.. and great hands... we dont need anything more..


We don't need anything more? You just described the perfect receiver. It's not like they grow on trees, you know. Those are really the only two things that matter that every team looks for in a receiver.

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Of course these seems a bit unrealistic, but we could sweeten the pot. What if we threw in McCoy?


If you're going to try and get fitz from the Cards, it would literally take trading an Earl Thomas or something on those lines

Why would anyone trade Fitz for Matt Flynn and Anthony McCoy?

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Honestly, if Fitzgerald was on the waiver wire I would not take him. Go to Spotrac and look at his cap hits for the next six or seven years. If we traded Flynn for Fitz, you might as well throw in Sherman and Earl, because we wouldn't have the money to extend them with that kind of contract on the books.

He also declined this year after putting up 1400 yards with the same QBs in 2011. Who's to say that decline isn't real?

AZ could end up releasing Fitz in a couple years. When that happens, I'd give him a reasonable contract. Until then, he's not worth it.


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Of course these seems a bit unrealistic, but we could sweeten the pot. What if we threw in McCoy?


If you're going to try and get fitz from the Cards, it would literally take trading an Earl Thomas or something on those lines

Why would anyone trade Fitz for Matt Flynn and Anthony McCoy?


Obviously counting on the stupidity of the Cardinals front office...


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May I please say,,I think this is a dumb idea??

Not only is Fitz to old he's way to expensive!

Jesus Christ some of you wanting to get rid of Flynn because of money and now suggest getting someone that's MORE money??

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May I please say,,I think this is a dumb idea??

Not only is Fitz to old he's way to expensive!

Jesus Christ some of you wanting to get rid of Flynn because of money and now suggest getting someone that's MORE money??

Get a grip.

Get rid of a back up that's expensive is not the same as bringing someone that would actually pay that's expensive.


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Get rid of a back up that's expensive is not the same as bringing someone that would actually pay that's expensive.


Do you realize HOW expensive we're talking for Fitz?

2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15), 2014: $12.75 million, 2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus), 2016: $15 million, 2017-2018: $14.75 million, 2019: Free Agent

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I have seen a few tweets, and some rumblings about Fitz for Flynn .. What do you think??? Possible? If this trade did happen, it would make the off season go by wayyyy to slow. !!!!


You need to stop following these people because they obviously no nothing about player values. On top of that, Fitz is the AZ team and his contract which was over 100M, would be hard to fit and would make it impossible to sign some of our own young stars.


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New GM is going to want to make a statement on how he does stuff, I would bet he would do it, Fitz for Flynn, and Carpenter and Moffit, or something like that, they ned a QB and an offensive line.

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but truly elite QBs don't need all-world receivers to run a dominant offense. .


Hmm

Peyton Manning had Harrison/ Wayne
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Montana needed Taylor and Clark and Jones to compliment Rice, but point of your statement is correct, you need guys that can seperate and catch the ball.

Most also had a decent rushing attack, James with Manning, Tyler, Craig, Watters in S.F., Warner Faulk, Bradshaw Blier and some Italian guy named Harris, Smith in Dallas, Marino was the only one that really had no rushing attack, and by chance the only one on that list not to win a Superbowl.

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We're in LALA land here, but, Fitz would renegotiate to get out.


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Why do people still think that Flynn is actually valuable? Maybe he could net us a conditional 5th in a trade or something, but no more........


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Montana needed Taylor and Clark and Jones to compliment Rice, but point of your statement is correct, you need guys that can seperate and catch the ball.

Most also had a decent rushing attack, James with Manning, Tyler, Craig, Watters in S.F., Warner Faulk, Bradshaw Blier and some Italian guy named Harris, Smith in Dallas, Marino was the only one that really had no rushing attack, and by chance the only one on that list not to win a Superbowl.


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You could tape a Cheetah to her back. Just sayin


If we take this concept and apply it to football we could be on to something, Niners think Kap is fast? Lets see him outrun an angry Browner strapped to an even angrier cheetah.

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No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !

Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....

Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.


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Do you realize HOW expensive we're talking for Fitz?

2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15), 2014: $12.75 million, 2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus), 2016: $15 million, 2017-2018: $14.75 million, 2019: Free Agent


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No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !

Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....

Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.


Eli doesn't have squat either. Its laughable how overrated whatever WR he plays with becomes.


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Flynn for Fitz? I think we'd be giving up too much.. Maybe Flynn for Fitz, Peterson and Dockett.. plus 4 1sts

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No way would I improve the Cardinals to the point of making them the next NFC West Powerhouse !

Oh, and on the whole "QBs needing elite WRs to be successful" point.....

Brady hasn't had an elite WR outside of Moss for one year. They've trotted out tons of journeymen in and out of that system and that QB. Brady made Welker elite, not the other way around. Branch was borderline elite when he was in NE, but he came here and showed he was merely above average. Went back to NE with Brady and bang! he's good again.


Eli doesn't have squat either. Its laughable how overrated whatever WR he plays with becomes.

You are underselling Nicks and Cruz.

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No I am not. I'd catch 800 and 7 TD's with Eli.

Classic Deon Branch syndrome, except neither of those two were ever talented enough to be drafted in round 1.


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Hmm

Peyton Manning had Harrison/ Wayne
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Steve Young had Rice
Marino had Duper and Clayton
Warner had Bruce and Holt
Aikman had Irvin
Bradshaw had Swann and Stalworth

Just for starters , would you like me to continue


Gee, you think playing with HOF QBs might have aided in the development of some of those guys? Go look at Harrison and Wayne's career trajectory. Harrison's receiving yards went from 776 to 1,663 in Peyton's second year. It took Wayne four seasons with Peyton to break 1,000 yards. And now look what Peyton's doing for Decker and Thomas in Denver.

Please go see what Tom Brady has done for an entire career without a legitimate #1 receiver (besides Moss for one season). Please check out how the 2005 Seahawks had the most dominant offense in the NFL with a receiving corp worse than what we have now. Please take notice that Victor Cruz and Wes Welker were undrafted free agents who developed chemistry with great QBs. And finally, you might have already recognized that Russell Wilson has helped Golden Tate go from consensus bust to valuable contributor in a single season.

No one is denying we need to add more depth at WR. We just don't need to compromise significant cap space or talent to do it. Obsessing over finding "stud receivers" is quick way to bury your franchise. Go ask Detroit or Oakland how that worked out for them.


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You would catch VD with Eli. If you were on the Giants, I give you 6 yards, 1 catch, and an extra point for the year.

True, Eli is a gambler and creates opportunities, but Nicks is good, and Cruz is a better UDFA than Baldwin by far.

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Also, regarding the perception that our receivers can't get "separation": a lot of this has to do with how careful Russell is with the ball, which is a great thing at this stage in his development. He doesn't make a lot of risky throws. As he continues to build chemistry with his receivers and as his own skills continue to develop, he'll become more confident in making the tighter throws, and the whole "separation" thing will become less of an issue.


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Hmm

Peyton Manning had Harrison/ Wayne
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Marino had Duper and Clayton
Warner had Bruce and Holt
Aikman had Irvin
Bradshaw had Swann and Stalworth

Just for starters , would you like me to continue


Gee, you think playing with HOF QBs might have aided in the development of some of those guys? Go look at Harrison and Wayne's career trajectory. Harrison's receiving yards went from 776 to 1,663 in Peyton's second year. It took Wayne four seasons with Peyton to break 1,000 yards. And now look what Peyton's doing for Decker and Thomas in Denver.

Please go see what Tom Brady has done for an entire career without a legitimate #1 receiver (besides Moss for one season). Please check out how the 2005 Seahawks had the most dominant offense in the NFL with a receiving corp worse than what we have now. Please take notice that Victor Cruz and Wes Welker were undrafted free agents who developed chemistry with great QBs. And finally, you might have already recognized that Russell Wilson has helped Golden Tate go from consensus bust to valuable contributor in a single season.

No one is denying we need to add more depth at WR. We just don't need to compromise significant cap space or talent to do it. Obsessing over finding "stud receivers" is quick way to bury your franchise. Go ask Detroit or Oakland how that worked out for them.



Wayne had 1355 yards this year without Manning..
Also, the year Brady had Moss it was by far his best statistical year.

No doubt that the HOF QB is good on his own, but to say that the QB makes them is a stretch. The only conclusion I can come to would be that it would definitely help a lot to have a pro bowl caliber WR on our team

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