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 Post subject: Would you trade Russell Wilson, for Cam Newton?
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I know as Seahawks fans the answer would (should) be "No, but Cam is 7 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier, just as fast, with a bigger arm and just as accurate. So..would you?

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I know as Seahawks fans the answer would (should) be "No, but Cam is 7 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier, just as fast, with a bigger arm and just as accurate. So..would you?

Cam is twice the size, half the leader, and 1/10th the man.
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Not sure if trolling....

But no. Cam has maybe 20% of the mental capacity, toughness, football IQ and work ethic that Russell does. All of the rest of what you mentioned doesn't mean anything when you put it into that perspective. Still, good luck with that overgrown baby on your team though. I mean that. (I don't.)

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Nope. Absolutely not. I wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for any 10 players on the panthers team.


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Not a chance! Wilson is 10x better than Cam. Cam's post game conferences sealed the deal for me. He is a complete baby and not a leader.


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sounds like you're here trying to convince yourself that Cam is more than he really is.

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 Post subject: Re: Would you trade Russell Wilson, for Cam Newton?
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I would not. Cam is a great talent no doubt, but I am always put off by the way he pouts and acts like a punk when things aren't going well. Wilson is a pure leader. Plus, at this point I am pretty invested in the desire to see him beat the odds and win superbowls and become a superstar. I want that to happen for our team with him at the helm.


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not as smart, not the same work ethic, not a leader of men


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Not only "no", but HELL NO!!

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No. Wilson's work ethic and motivation is invaluable to the future of this team.

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 Post subject: Re: Would you trade Russell Wilson, for Cam Newton?
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The only thing Cam has over Wilson is size.


He makes dumb ass decisions, then cries about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Would you trade Russell Wilson, for Cam Newton?
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Before the season, most of us would have said yes.

But after seeing the leadership qualities of Russell Wilson, how he had the ability to put the team on his back in every single game, and just how good he is with the football in his hands, there is no way.

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Also, don't even try to bring stats to the table to try and prove Newton is better. NONE of that matters and I would be willing to bet that there isnt a SINGLE member on .Net that would swap these two.


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 Post subject: Re: Would you trade Russell Wilson, for Cam Newton?
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I'd be surprised if Newton ever wins a SB. I've heard many negative stories related to him including pouting on the sidelines, not giving future HOFers the respect they deserve at the Pro-Bowl, and blaming others for the team's mistakes, stealing lap tops from other players (at Florida). I do believe people can change, and if he does he has more physical capabilities than RW- however, what makes Wilson, himself are those intangibles that you can't put on paper.

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He said Newton, not Ron Mexico ;)


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I would question Cam's preparation. (its the source of separation according to Mr. DangeRuss)

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 Post subject: Re: Would you trade Russell Wilson, for Cam Newton?
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I know as Seahawks fans the answer would (should) be "No, but Cam is 7 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier, just as fast, with a bigger arm and just as accurate. So..would you?

No thanks!

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I know as Seahawks fans the answer would (should) be "No, but Cam is 7 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier, just as fast, with a bigger arm and just as accurate. So..would you?



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Hell no. Million dollar body, ten cent head.


Million dollar body, huh? Right then.

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What about Russell for Tim Tebow?


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What about Russell for Tim Tebow?

Based on their Messianic value?

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gadgor wrote:
What about Russell for Tim Tebow?

Based on their Messianic value?


Wilson still wins.

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Cam lacks the swagger to be a Seahawk!

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Cam lacks the swagger to be a Seahawk!


He has plenty of arrogance though.

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 Post subject: Re: Would you trade Russell Wilson, for Cam Newton?
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What about Russell for Tim Tebow?

Based on their Messianic value?


Here's an odd thought......who would win you more games? Cam Newton or Tim Tebow?

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I'm not sure I would trade Wilson for any player in the NFL if I had the choice.


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I'm not sure I would trade Wilson for any player in the NFL if I had the choice.


This is where I'm at too.


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Cam is a good player, a really good one who needs coaching and maybe some mentoring, and I'm a huge Newton fan. But Wilson is special, I'm talking superstar special and I wouldn't trade him for Peyton Manning or Joe Montana in their primes.

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There are numerous players in the NBA who are 15 inches taller and I wouldn't trade for them either.

Before he is done, Russell will make then "taller" metric a much less discussed qualifier.
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LOL this is funny. NO. I can't believe after the season he just had we are still talking about his size. IMO he is on the same playing field as Cam in regards to athletic ability. Yeah it would be great if he were 7 inches taller...other than he would have been top 5 pick and no where near Seattle. I'll take the dedication, determination, perseverance, mental toughness, and leadership of Wilson over any QB in the NFL today.


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I know as Seahawks fans the answer would (should) be "No, but Cam is 7 inches taller, 40 pounds heavier, just as fast, with a bigger arm and just as accurate. So..would you?


Not sure you're going to find much love here. I may be the closest thing.

I'm an Auburn grad and a huge Auburn football fan. I love what Cam did for the Tigers, and I think the criticism he received - especially leading up to the draft and early this year - was unmerited.

Plus, he's a physical beast. Great athleticism, arm, speed, size, etc. and he can take over a game. Love the guy, and I root for him when he's not playing my Hawks.

With all that said...

First off, he's NOT just as accurate as Wilson. He's more accurate than his detractors gave him credit for coming out of Auburn, but Wilson's on another level.

Second, while he's smarter than many here give him credit for, he doesn't have the mental toughness that Wilson does. Newton CAN get fazed by mistakes or bad losses. Yes, he's passionate and wants to win, but he hasn't yet developed that short memory necessary to let a bad play or bad series go and move onward. He might be able to develop that over the next couple of seasons, but Wilson has it already.

In the end, I would still take Wilson. He outweighs Newton on pretty much all the intangibles, and has proven that his lack of height and size (which was the only real knock on him) isn't a liability for him.

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Nope. Absolutely not. I wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for any 10 players on the panthers team.



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Cam Newton is a good quarterback and I think if he had the team that Russell Wilson had around him, Cam would've taken the Panthers to the playoffs his rookie season too. However, I think Russ has a lot more upside to him than Cam. Much more potential, IMO.

You can't question Cam Newton's toughness, as he has been just as solid as RW and even taken more hits over his multiple seasons now. But I don't think there is any question over intelligence and dedication. Cam doesn't have a fraction of work ethic that Russell Wilson does. Russ was late for his end of season press conference because he was in the film room with his QB coach at the VMAC, watching footage of his play against the Falcons for a second time. Take into mind that this was the day after the game! That is ridiculous dedication to the game. Wilson is hell bent on improving every part of his game, not matter how small.

With that in mind. I wouldn't even consider trading Russell Wilson. Not for Cam Newton, not for ANYONE! I wouldn't give him up for Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck... No one! He may not be as good as many of the elite QB's (right now) but I think his upside is too much to look past in the event of a trade offer. He is worth more than an aging elite QB and even a top QB in his prime. At least in my opinion, simply because Russell Wilson has a year with the Seahawks, where we have been molding our offense to his style (read option for example) and will continue to do so. All the while he improves.

You don't always need the best players, sometimes you just need the right players. RW is the right player for this organization. This off-season he is going to work his ass off to improve his game and we're going to see the results come next fall. I am willing to bet RW is going to work on becoming a better pocket passer, therefore becoming well-rounded. Being able to stay in the pocket and pass when need be, as well as escaping to buy time for his receivers to get open like he has been all season.

I don't know why anyone would want to give this guy up. He could very well become the greatest Seahawks QB in franchise history.

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