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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:30 pm
  • Fight 4 Old DC wrote:
    Don't try to pawn off your acute PC values on everyone. Maybe back in the days of the frontier Redskins was offensive. But the times change. Words change their meaning over time. "Gay" used to jut mean happy, now it has a much different interpretation. No one in the entire Skins organization has the slightest bit of malice towards native Americans.
    A little history: In 1933 the name was coined In honor of Henry "Lone Star" Dietz a Native American and then coach of the Skins. The helmet insignia was designed by a prominent American Indian who was proud of the heritage it conveyed.
    If you really try you can find racism anywhere I guess. But don't look for it hear in Washington. ( I suppose you are appalled at the term Redskin potato )


    We're supposed to attack the post, not the poster, so let me lead with the fact this one of the dumbest things I have ever read, and I've read Youtube comments. The mental gymnastics required to create this kind of stupidity would win a gold medal at the summer olympics.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:31 pm
  • Considering the people at extremeskins.com say anyone calling Sean Taylor a thug is racist, and that thug is a "racially-charged term", I find Fight 4 Old DC's post pretty amusing.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:52 pm
  • I learned to appreciate the NFCW this week. I used to be annoyed, living in Nor-Cal(9er country) and being a hawk fan.

    After dealing with the Redskin fans this week, I am so happy we aren't in the NFCE. Skin fans are the worst....I'm not shouting any obscenities, I am not being a jerk....I am just calling it as I see it...Redskin fans are the most blind homers I've ever dealt with.

    I am a honest fan, plus I am superstitious. So I never talk crap about another team, I am always 100% respectful, and have no problem admitting a opposing team is better then my Hawks...but these guys....GEEEEEZ!....just...jeez :229031_banghead:
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:58 pm
  • Fight 4 Old DC wrote:A little history: In 1933 the name was coined In honor of Henry "Lone Star" Dietz a Native American and then coach of the Skins

    Many, many people around these parts know about Lone Star Dietz, as he coached the Cougs to their only Rose Bowl win. Way back in the day...

    That said, times (and sensibilities) change. I find it a bit ironic that the nation's capital, home to the government that broke so many Native treaties, is also home to the "Redskins." But then again, when you now have nary a Native American presence in the District and Delmarva, it's easy to be so dismissive. Perhaps you forget that the Pacific Northwest has many proud Native nations and taking offense to such a slur is not simply dismissed as "PC."

    BTW: Is Dan "Little Man Syndrome" Synder still pursuing legal action against a writer for, in his opinion, using an anti-Semitic caricature in a piece about him? There's certainly a bit of irony in that...no?

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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:17 pm
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:10 pm
  • Fight 4 Old DC wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:Did I just see a Redskins fan say they actually LIKE the fight song?

    Yeeeesh. If I were a Redskins fan, I would never admit that, and would never sing that song. Go look up the lyrics and the history of that song. They might as well have Aunt Jemima as a mascot, and sing a song about lynching slaves. That team, its fight song, its name and its mascot, are an embarrassment to the NFL.

    I'm seriously amazed that Goodell hasn't stepped in and FORCED that crappy second-rate team to change its name and song lyrics. It was tasteless in the 50's and it's even worse now, in the 21st Century. The only saving grace is that the racism is so dated and tacky that it almost seems "antique" or something. You almost don't notice.


    Don't try to pawn off your acute PC values on everyone. Maybe back in the days of the frontier Redskins was offensive. But the times change. Words change their meaning over time. "Gay" used to jut mean happy, now it has a much different interpretation. No one in the entire Skins organization has the slightest bit of malice towards native Americans.
    A little history: In 1933 the name was coined In honor of Henry "Lone Star" Dietz a Native American and then coach of the Skins. The helmet insignia was designed by a prominent American Indian who was proud of the heritage it conveyed.
    If you really try you can find racism anywhere I guess. But don't look for it hear in Washington. ( I suppose you are appalled at the term Redskin potato )


    That would seem really heartwarming and even humanitarian if Dietz hadn't been forced to wear a feather headdress and face makeup during games where he was the coach. He wasn't even native American. Did he ever dress like a clown? I actually know a few native Americans and they get kinda annoyed when you start talking about face paint and feathered headdresses. Why not tell your head coach to yodel and wave his hand in front of his mouth when sending in plays? Tell me with a straight face that that kind of behavior isn't grimace-inducing. It'd be hilarious if this was an episode of south park.

    I'll repeat myself: It is crass and tasteless that the NFL hasn't already forced that team to change its racist name. Whats next? The LA Negroes? Ugh.

    The fact that east coasters don't even realize why it's so distasteful just adds to the sick humor. You can't possibly be that thick.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:19 pm
  • And just to add to the flames:

    I know a lot of Native Americans and not one of them has a name like Dietz. Maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what tribe named its children with a European name like Dietz? The Hansel Tribe? They lived on the shores of the Rhine and hunted wild beaver on the backs of Reindeer. Perhaps you have heard of them?
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:39 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:And just to add to the flames:

    I know a lot of Native Americans and not one of them has a name like Dietz. Maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what tribe named its children with a European name like Dietz? The Hansel Tribe? They lived on the shores of the Rhine and hunted wild beaver on the backs of Reindeer. Perhaps you have heard of them?


    You really should do a little homework before spouting off......especially since he has so much history with your fair state. He was the son of a full blooded Sioux mother and German father. He played football at Carlisle Indian Industrial School and was a teammate of Jim Thorpe. He is still revered at Washington State where I believe he was the last coach to win a championship there.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:42 pm
  • Fight 4 Old DC wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:Did I just see a Redskins fan say they actually LIKE the fight song?

    Yeeeesh. If I were a Redskins fan, I would never admit that, and would never sing that song. Go look up the lyrics and the history of that song. They might as well have Aunt Jemima as a mascot, and sing a song about lynching slaves. That team, its fight song, its name and its mascot, are an embarrassment to the NFL.

    I'm seriously amazed that Goodell hasn't stepped in and FORCED that crappy second-rate team to change its name and song lyrics. It was tasteless in the 50's and it's even worse now, in the 21st Century. The only saving grace is that the racism is so dated and tacky that it almost seems "antique" or something. You almost don't notice.


    Don't try to pawn off your acute PC values on everyone. Maybe back in the days of the frontier Redskins was offensive. But the times change. Words change their meaning over time. "Gay" used to jut mean happy, now it has a much different interpretation. No one in the entire Skins organization has the slightest bit of malice towards native Americans.
    A little history: In 1933 the name was coined In honor of Henry "Lone Star" Dietz a Native American and then coach of the Skins. The helmet insignia was designed by a prominent American Indian who was proud of the heritage it conveyed.
    If you really try you can find racism anywhere I guess. But don't look for it hear in Washington. ( I suppose you are appalled at the term Redskin potato )


    So are you saying that your team is really named after potatoes? That would be the coolest thing I've heard all day.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:19 pm
  • Fight 4 Old DC wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:And just to add to the flames:

    I know a lot of Native Americans and not one of them has a name like Dietz. Maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what tribe named its children with a European name like Dietz? The Hansel Tribe? They lived on the shores of the Rhine and hunted wild beaver on the backs of Reindeer. Perhaps you have heard of them?


    You really should do a little homework before spouting off......especially since he has so much history with your fair state. He was the son of a full blooded Sioux mother and German father. He played football at Carlisle Indian Industrial School and was a teammate of Jim Thorpe. He is still revered at Washington State where I believe he was the last coach to win a championship there.


    Oh my bad.

    Im sure the Sioux would have been proud watching one of their own, on that NFL sideline, wearing a headdress and face paint. Dietz himself said he hated it but he was probably lying. Tons of natives in the 1950s would have been proud to coach the last segregated nfl team while being forced to wear a headdress and face paint. Because that's what all Indians do. When they're not dancing with wolves.

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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:31 pm
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:10 am
  • HansGruber wrote:Why not tell your head coach to yodel and wave his hand in front of his mouth when sending in plays?


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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:52 am
  • Former Skins fan here. I grew up in Frederick, Maryland and got to see Theismann, Monk and Riggins stomp around the league. Then, in the early '90s, I lived in Atlanta when the city went absolutely berzerk over the Braves' rise to dominance. Infants were taught the Tomahawk Chop while still in the womb, etc. It was an amazing time that lasted for years. But when I moved out to Seattle in '97, I instantly became a Seahawks-Mariners fan. It was impossible not to. The fans up here in the northwest cheer like lunatics for their teams no matter the score or the weather. And the Seattle teams love their foaming mouth fans right back. It's not just the acoustics at the Clink, Skins fans, these people go out of their minds when it comes to sports. I've never seen anything like it.

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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:22 am
  • I think the Rams can take the Redskins... ;)
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:56 am
  • Shock2k wrote:Just wondering how RG3/Morris/Lynch did rushing against the top 15 defenses.


    That's a great chart. Lynch and Morris are virtually dead even. Nice.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:40 am
  • Greetings to all,

    Redskins fan here and I come in peace.
    I’m not here to troll or to make asinine comments like “We’ll beat you because you guys suck…blah, blah, blah." I’m here because I’ve been reading your board all week and it simply puzzles me how arrogant and overconfident some here are about this weekend’s game. I mean, I’ve read comments like:

    “You guys have No Shot.!”
    “Our team is better than yours at every position”
    “You won’t score more than 13 points on us”
    “We’ll hang 50 on ya”

    Really? I mean really….some speak as if the Seahawks are traveling across country to play the Maryland Terrapins this Sunday.
    I get it, your team is very balanced, young, well put together, hungry, and playing exceptionally well right now.
    But…...so are the Redskins. How can you rationally conclude that a professional team that has run off 7 consecutive victories and hosting a home playoff game has absolutely zero shot at winning number 8? I don’t care who that team has played. You can only play who they put in front of you.
    And the statement that someone here made that “If the Redskins played in the NFCW they’d be 6-10 at best this season” seems very misguided. The NFC West was extremely top heavy this season.
    49ers 11-4-1
    Seahawks 11-5
    Rams 7-8-1
    Cardinals 5-11
    While the argument could be made that the NFC East had more balance (albeit in a down year)
    Redskins 10-6
    Giants 9-7
    Cowboys 8-8
    Eagles 4-12

    The only team in the division that absolutely sucked eggs was the Eagles. Somehow the Redskins finished with a 5-1 divisional record. Yes; 50% of the NFCW was very good (49ers and Seahawks). Whereas, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone objective who would claim that both the Giants and Cowboys (though inconsistent this year) completely sucked. So 75% of the NFCE was at least above average. (If it were not for the Redskins, both the Giants and the Cowboys would have finished 10-6).

    Please don’t make this about our team mascot or fight song. I'm talking Football here. No, not EVERY Redskins fan is an idiot. Nor is every Redskins fan lacking in football knowledge. I can say with full confidence that I can discuss X’s and O’s with ANYONE. (I played 3 years division 1-AA ball and coach HS football). So please don’t try to tell me that schematically the Redskins have “No Shot”.
    You guys have a very good team, not denial here. But this is the NFL; you just don’t win 7 straight without doing something right.

    Am I saying with 100% certainty that the Redskins will win this weekend? No. But do I think we have a darn good chance? You bet I do.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:32 am
  • Tech Worlds wrote:
    Fight 4 Old DC wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:Did I just see a Redskins fan say they actually LIKE the fight song?

    Yeeeesh. If I were a Redskins fan, I would never admit that, and would never sing that song. Go look up the lyrics and the history of that song. They might as well have Aunt Jemima as a mascot, and sing a song about lynching slaves. That team, its fight song, its name and its mascot, are an embarrassment to the NFL.

    I'm seriously amazed that Goodell hasn't stepped in and FORCED that crappy second-rate team to change its name and song lyrics. It was tasteless in the 50's and it's even worse now, in the 21st Century. The only saving grace is that the racism is so dated and tacky that it almost seems "antique" or something. You almost don't notice.


    Don't try to pawn off your acute PC values on everyone. Maybe back in the days of the frontier Redskins was offensive. But the times change. Words change their meaning over time. "Gay" used to jut mean happy, now it has a much different interpretation. No one in the entire Skins organization has the slightest bit of malice towards native Americans.
    A little history: In 1933 the name was coined In honor of Henry "Lone Star" Dietz a Native American and then coach of the Skins. The helmet insignia was designed by a prominent American Indian who was proud of the heritage it conveyed.
    If you really try you can find racism anywhere I guess. But don't look for it hear in Washington. ( I suppose you are appalled at the term Redskin potato )


    So are you saying that your team is really named after potatoes? That would be the coolest thing I've heard all day.


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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:42 am
  • Conrad87 wrote:And the statement that someone here made that “If the Redskins played in the NFCW they’d be 6-10 at best this season” seems very misguided. The NFC West was extremely top heavy this season.
    49ers 11-4-1
    Seahawks 11-5
    Rams 7-8-1
    Cardinals 5-11
    While the argument could be made that the NFC East had more balance (albeit in a down year)
    Redskins 10-6
    Giants 9-7
    Cowboys 8-8
    Eagles 4-12

    The only team in the division that absolutely sucked eggs was the Eagles. Somehow the Redskins finished with a 5-1 divisional record. Yes; 50% of the NFCW was very good (49ers and Seahawks). Whereas, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone objective who would claim that both the Giants and Cowboys (though inconsistent this year) completely sucked. So 75% of the NFCE was at least above average. (If it were not for the Redskins, both the Giants and the Cowboys would have finished 10-6).


    Come on now. Be consistent.

    You call the Cowboys "at least above average" at 8-8, while the Rams don't rate that same status at 7-8-1? That one tie game was that crucial, eh? Our division's top team was 1.5 games better than your division winner. Our 2nd place team was 2 full games better than your 2nd place team. Our third place team is HALF a game back of your 3rd place team. And even our last place team was better than the NFC East's basement dweller. Our division went 3-1 against yours this year, as well.

    While I don't agree that the Skins would have been "6-10" in our division, I do think they might have dropped a game or two more than they did, just based on the quality of defenses we have in the NFC West.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:49 am
  • I think we'd have loved playing six games in the NFC East. Can 'Skins fans say they'd have loved playing six games in the NFC West?
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:49 am
  • Shock2k wrote:Just wondering how RG3/Morris/Lynch did rushing against the top 15 defenses.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:02 am
  • It's pointless to compare divisions, IMO.

    I think the NFCE and NFCW are both very good, competitive divisions. I can see any team from either division, with the exception of the Eagles and Cardinals, being legit playoff contenders in the AFC.

    The reason why the NFCE will always get more "shine", so to speak, is that it's home to Dallas, Washington (the two most valuable franchises in the NFL) , the New York Giants and Eagles. Every team in the division is a HUGE market team that brings the NFL tons of $$$$. So that division will always be a priority for the NFL to showcase and hype up.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:04 am
  • HansGruber wrote:
    Fight 4 Old DC wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:And just to add to the flames:

    I know a lot of Native Americans and not one of them has a name like Dietz. Maybe you could enlighten us and tell us what tribe named its children with a European name like Dietz? The Hansel Tribe? They lived on the shores of the Rhine and hunted wild beaver on the backs of Reindeer. Perhaps you have heard of them?


    You really should do a little homework before spouting off......especially since he has so much history with your fair state. He was the son of a full blooded Sioux mother and German father. He played football at Carlisle Indian Industrial School and was a teammate of Jim Thorpe. He is still revered at Washington State where I believe he was the last coach to win a championship there.


    Oh my bad.


    Im sure the Sioux would have been proud watching one of their own, on that NFL sideline, wearing a headdress and face paint. Dietz himself said he hated it but he was probably lying. Tons of natives in the 1950s would have been proud to coach the last segregated nfl team while being forced to wear a headdress and face paint. Because that's what all Indians do. When they're not dancing with wolves.

    Right?

    Oh so now he WAS an Indian?....and it sounds like u were a close friend and he shared w/ you his personal feelings.
    I'm not here to defend something that happened 75-80 years ago. Those were racist times, heck the KKK were in full swing. And the Redskins don't have the best track record ....George Preston Marshall was the last nfl owner to draft a black player, Bobby Mitchell I think. But to imply that the team name has racial overtones to this day is silly.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:12 am
  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Conrad87 wrote:And the statement that someone here made that “If the Redskins played in the NFCW they’d be 6-10 at best this season” seems very misguided. The NFC West was extremely top heavy this season.
    49ers 11-4-1
    Seahawks 11-5
    Rams 7-8-1
    Cardinals 5-11
    While the argument could be made that the NFC East had more balance (albeit in a down year)
    Redskins 10-6
    Giants 9-7
    Cowboys 8-8
    Eagles 4-12

    The only team in the division that absolutely sucked eggs was the Eagles. Somehow the Redskins finished with a 5-1 divisional record. Yes; 50% of the NFCW was very good (49ers and Seahawks). Whereas, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone objective who would claim that both the Giants and Cowboys (though inconsistent this year) completely sucked. So 75% of the NFCE was at least above average. (If it were not for the Redskins, both the Giants and the Cowboys would have finished 10-6).


    Come on now. Be consistent.

    You call the Cowboys "at least above average" at 8-8, while the Rams don't rate that same status at 7-8-1? That one tie game was that crucial, eh? Our division's top team was 1.5 games better than your division winner. Our 2nd place team was 2 full games better than your 2nd place team. Our third place team is HALF a game back of your 3rd place team. And even our last place team was better than the NFC East's basement dweller. Our division went 3-1 against yours this year, as well.

    While I don't agree that the Skins would have been "6-10" in our division, I do think they might have dropped a game or two more than they did, just based on the quality of defenses we have in the NFC West.


    I fail to see the inconsistency. So to be fair, let's remove the word "Above" and leave average..at 8-8. Certainly that one word doesn't invalidate my entire post (If so you're reaching). But I'm not so sure that you could say that "Most People" with no dog in this race would put the Rams over the Cowboys in power rankings.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:14 am
  • Gentlemen, if you'd like to talk about the Skins mascot, please take it to the PWR forum. The main forum is for football.
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:42 am
  • Conrad87 wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:
    Conrad87 wrote:And the statement that someone here made that “If the Redskins played in the NFCW they’d be 6-10 at best this season” seems very misguided. The NFC West was extremely top heavy this season.
    49ers 11-4-1
    Seahawks 11-5
    Rams 7-8-1
    Cardinals 5-11
    While the argument could be made that the NFC East had more balance (albeit in a down year)
    Redskins 10-6
    Giants 9-7
    Cowboys 8-8
    Eagles 4-12

    The only team in the division that absolutely sucked eggs was the Eagles. Somehow the Redskins finished with a 5-1 divisional record. Yes; 50% of the NFCW was very good (49ers and Seahawks). Whereas, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone objective who would claim that both the Giants and Cowboys (though inconsistent this year) completely sucked. So 75% of the NFCE was at least above average. (If it were not for the Redskins, both the Giants and the Cowboys would have finished 10-6).


    Come on now. Be consistent.

    You call the Cowboys "at least above average" at 8-8, while the Rams don't rate that same status at 7-8-1? That one tie game was that crucial, eh? Our division's top team was 1.5 games better than your division winner. Our 2nd place team was 2 full games better than your 2nd place team. Our third place team is HALF a game back of your 3rd place team. And even our last place team was better than the NFC East's basement dweller. Our division went 3-1 against yours this year, as well.

    While I don't agree that the Skins would have been "6-10" in our division, I do think they might have dropped a game or two more than they did, just based on the quality of defenses we have in the NFC West.


    If fail to see the inconsistency. So to be fair, let's remove the word "Above" and leave average..at 8-8. Certainly that one word doesn't invalidate my entire post (If so you're reaching). But I'm not so sure that you could say that "Most People" with no dog in this race would put the Rams over the Cowboys in power rankings.


    Hard to say what "most people" might think regarding the Cowboys and Rams, and I wasn't attempting to invalidate the entire post. My issue was with the implication that the NFC East had 3 quality teams while the NFC West had 2... giving credit to the Cowboys while ignoring the Rams - who finished within a half game of each other, and both of which were pushing for playoff spots right up until the last couple of weeks of the season (and the Rams finished the season even hotter than the Cowboys, going 4-2 against the Cowboys' 3-3).

    By most statistical measures (whether you use traditional stats on NFL.com or go with advanced stats like DVOA), the Rams and Cowboys were very close in quality this season, like reversed mirror images (Cowboys were above average on offense, below average on D while the Rams were the opposite).
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:45 am
  • Conrad87 wrote:Greetings to all,

    Redskins fan here and I come in peace.
    I’m not here to troll or to make asinine comments like “We’ll beat you because you guys suck…blah, blah, blah." I’m here because I’ve been reading your board all week and it simply puzzles me how arrogant and overconfident some here are about this weekend’s game. I mean, I’ve read comments like:

    “You guys have No Shot.!”
    “Our team is better than yours at every position”
    “You won’t score more than 13 points on us”
    “We’ll hang 50 on ya”

    Really? I mean really….some speak as if the Seahawks are traveling across country to play the Maryland Terrapins this Sunday.
    I get it, your team is very balanced, young, well put together, hungry, and playing exceptionally well right now.
    But…...so are the Redskins. How can you rationally conclude that a professional team that has run off 7 consecutive victories and hosting a home playoff game has absolutely zero shot at winning number 8? I don’t care who that team has played. You can only play who they put in front of you.
    And the statement that someone here made that “If the Redskins played in the NFCW they’d be 6-10 at best this season” seems very misguided. The NFC West was extremely top heavy this season.
    49ers 11-4-1
    Seahawks 11-5
    Rams 7-8-1
    Cardinals 5-11
    While the argument could be made that the NFC East had more balance (albeit in a down year)
    Redskins 10-6
    Giants 9-7
    Cowboys 8-8
    Eagles 4-12

    The only team in the division that absolutely sucked eggs was the Eagles. Somehow the Redskins finished with a 5-1 divisional record. Yes; 50% of the NFCW was very good (49ers and Seahawks). Whereas, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone objective who would claim that both the Giants and Cowboys (though inconsistent this year) completely sucked. So 75% of the NFCE was at least above average. (If it were not for the Redskins, both the Giants and the Cowboys would have finished 10-6).

    Please don’t make this about our team mascot or fight song. I'm talking Football here. No, not EVERY Redskins fan is an idiot. Nor is every Redskins fan lacking in football knowledge. I can say with full confidence that I can discuss X’s and O’s with ANYONE. (I played 3 years division 1-AA ball and coach HS football). So please don’t try to tell me that schematically the Redskins have “No Shot”.
    You guys have a very good team, not denial here. But this is the NFL; you just don’t win 7 straight without doing something right.

    Am I saying with 100% certainty that the Redskins will win this weekend? No. But do I think we have a darn good chance? You bet I do.



    So you're making the argument that three above average teams and a crap team makes for a tougher division than two stud teams (don't take my word for it, look at the end of season rankings), a mediocre team and a crap team because....there's more balance? Seahawks outside their division? 8-2. Redskins? 5-5. You feasted on an inferior division homie, but hey that's exactly what you are supposed to do. Just don't think you are on our level.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:49 am
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote: Can 'Skins fans say they'd have loved playing six games in the NFC West?


    Why not?

    Sure we lost a game we probably should have won (3 pts) to the Rams but so did you guys. Also, the Cards aren't scarring anyone. The 49ers are indeed good, but judging from our last time playing them (Last season) we matched up fairly well head to head.....a 2 game split is not irrational to think.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:53 am
  • drastik wrote:It's pointless to compare divisions, IMO.

    I think the NFCE and NFCW are both very good, competitive divisions. I can see any team from either division, with the exception of the Eagles and Cardinals, being legit playoff contenders in the AFC.

    The reason why the NFCE will always get more "shine", so to speak, is that it's home to Dallas, Washington (the two most valuable franchises in the NFL) , the New York Giants and Eagles. Every team in the division is a HUGE market team that brings the NFL tons of $$$$. So that division will always be a priority for the NFL to showcase and hype up.



    I agree. I made the comparison since some here act as though the NFCW is the SEC compared to the Mountain West
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:02 am
  • volsunghawk,

    Fair enough. My intentions weren't to specifically call out the Rams vs. Cowboys..The point was some on this board seem to suggest that the difference between the two divisions was like a BCS conference and Division 3. Saying the Redskins would finish 6-10 tops was silly to me.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:08 am
  • Harperville wrote:
    Conrad87 wrote:Greetings to all,

    Redskins fan here and I come in peace.
    I’m not here to troll or to make asinine comments like “We’ll beat you because you guys suck…blah, blah, blah." I’m here because I’ve been reading your board all week and it simply puzzles me how arrogant and overconfident some here are about this weekend’s game. I mean, I’ve read comments like:

    “You guys have No Shot.!”
    “Our team is better than yours at every position”
    “You won’t score more than 13 points on us”
    “We’ll hang 50 on ya”

    Really? I mean really….some speak as if the Seahawks are traveling across country to play the Maryland Terrapins this Sunday.
    I get it, your team is very balanced, young, well put together, hungry, and playing exceptionally well right now.
    But…...so are the Redskins. How can you rationally conclude that a professional team that has run off 7 consecutive victories and hosting a home playoff game has absolutely zero shot at winning number 8? I don’t care who that team has played. You can only play who they put in front of you.
    And the statement that someone here made that “If the Redskins played in the NFCW they’d be 6-10 at best this season” seems very misguided. The NFC West was extremely top heavy this season.
    49ers 11-4-1
    Seahawks 11-5
    Rams 7-8-1
    Cardinals 5-11
    While the argument could be made that the NFC East had more balance (albeit in a down year)
    Redskins 10-6
    Giants 9-7
    Cowboys 8-8
    Eagles 4-12

    The only team in the division that absolutely sucked eggs was the Eagles. Somehow the Redskins finished with a 5-1 divisional record. Yes; 50% of the NFCW was very good (49ers and Seahawks). Whereas, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone objective who would claim that both the Giants and Cowboys (though inconsistent this year) completely sucked. So 75% of the NFCE was at least above average. (If it were not for the Redskins, both the Giants and the Cowboys would have finished 10-6).

    Please don’t make this about our team mascot or fight song. I'm talking Football here. No, not EVERY Redskins fan is an idiot. Nor is every Redskins fan lacking in football knowledge. I can say with full confidence that I can discuss X’s and O’s with ANYONE. (I played 3 years division 1-AA ball and coach HS football). So please don’t try to tell me that schematically the Redskins have “No Shot”.
    You guys have a very good team, not denial here. But this is the NFL; you just don’t win 7 straight without doing something right.

    Am I saying with 100% certainty that the Redskins will win this weekend? No. But do I think we have a darn good chance? You bet I do.



    So you're making the argument that three above average teams and a crap team makes for a tougher division than two stud teams (don't take my word for it, look at the end of season rankings), a mediocre team and a crap team because....there's more balance? Seahawks outside their division? 8-2. Redskins? 5-5. You feasted on an inferior division homie, but hey that's exactly what you are supposed to do. Just don't think you are on our level.



    No sir, I am making the argument that to say the NFCW is miles above the NFCE is ridiculous.

    "On our level" LOL...my friend...this is exactly what I'm referring to. Some here are waaayyy too confident heading into this game..Like the Seahawks are the 85 Bears...

    These are two young, talented, and confident squads who are extremely hungry and motivated. If the Seahawks execute, limit mistakes, and have a superior strategy, then they will win. Likewise, for the Redskins. But in no way shape or form will one team lose simply because they weren't "On the other team's Level." That's just silly fanboy talk.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:39 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Considering the people at extremeskins.com say anyone calling Sean Taylor a thug is racist, and that thug is a "racially-charged term", I find Fight 4 Old DC's post pretty amusing.
    It is racist. You never hear white people get called thugs. If he's intimidating,Black, had long hair, he must be a thug right?

    Sean Taylor was never a thug. He was a football player.

    His only charge was drinking and driving. These accusations are based off his apperance, nothing more.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:07 am
  • Conrad87 wrote:volsunghawk,

    Fair enough. My intentions weren't to specifically call out the Rams vs. Cowboys..The point was some on this board seem to suggest that the difference between the two divisions was like a BCS conference and Division 3. Saying the Redskins would finish 6-10 tops was silly to me.


    I'd agree with that sentiment. If it had been a comparison earlier in the season (like when Arizona started off 4-0 and all the teams in the division looked pretty damn good), it might have been different. Likewise, there was a stretch in late October/early November when both the Cowboys and Skins were in a bit of a swoon - both with records well under .500 - followed by the Giants starting off November losing two in a row.

    It's likely that image of the Skins and Cowboys struggling to get back over .500, the Giants' inconsistency, and the absolute collapse of the Eagles that lead many to peg the NFC East as a significantly inferior division. Kudos to Dallas and Washington for those late season runs to push the division crown into the last week of the season (which, in my opinion, is when you want to get hot and put together a nice win streak).

    But when you look at that compared to our division, we didn't really have all 4 teams struggling at points like that. The Rams were up and down most of the season while the Cards had a collapse every bit as epic as Philly's (though, I'd argue they didn't have the same expectations placed on them at the season's start). but the 49ers and Seahawks have been pretty consistently good-to-great this season. Seattle never dropped below .500 after Week 1, and the 49ers were incredibly consistent (check their win, win, non-win pattern throughout the season). That's where I think we have the edge in overall quality.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:36 am
  • NFCE and the NFCW were almost identical.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:36 am
  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Conrad87 wrote:volsunghawk,

    Fair enough. My intentions weren't to specifically call out the Rams vs. Cowboys..The point was some on this board seem to suggest that the difference between the two divisions was like a BCS conference and Division 3. Saying the Redskins would finish 6-10 tops was silly to me.


    I'd agree with that sentiment. If it had been a comparison earlier in the season (like when Arizona started off 4-0 and all the teams in the division looked pretty damn good), it might have been different. Likewise, there was a stretch in late October/early November when both the Cowboys and Skins were in a bit of a swoon - both with records well under .500 - followed by the Giants starting off November losing two in a row.

    It's likely that image of the Skins and Cowboys struggling to get back over .500, the Giants' inconsistency, and the absolute collapse of the Eagles that lead many to peg the NFC East as a significantly inferior division. Kudos to Dallas and Washington for those late season runs to push the division crown into the last week of the season (which, in my opinion, is when you want to get hot and put together a nice win streak).

    But when you look at that compared to our division, we didn't really have all 4 teams struggling at points like that. The Rams were up and down most of the season while the Cards had a collapse every bit as epic as Philly's (though, I'd argue they didn't have the same expectations placed on them at the season's start). but the 49ers and Seahawks have been pretty consistently good-to-great this season. Seattle never dropped below .500 after Week 1, and the 49ers were incredibly consistent (check their win, win, non-win pattern throughout the season). That's where I think we have the edge in overall quality.


    See this is the type of assessment that I can respect. You presented a solid, factually based argument. That is the basis of my argument and why I will stick by my belief that the team that has the superior strategy, and executes the more fundamentally sound game plan will win this game. As a Redskins fan (born and raised here) obviously I hope my team is victorious.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:04 am
  • Pikachu wrote:His only charge was drinking and driving. These accusations are based off his apperance, nothing more.


    He's a thug because of aggravated assault (which he luckily was able to plead down) and being suspected of more. I don't know where you get off saying his only charge was drinking & driving. Also, there are plenty of white thugs; you're the one making the racial distinction.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:06 am
  • Shock2k wrote:NFCE and the NFCW were almost identical.


    No they weren't, look at the actual DVOA percentages. Raw # ranking does not tell the whole story.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:08 pm
  • I fear the wrath this comment is going to get me from Redskin nation. But whatever. The level to which they have deified Taylor is scary. Nothing against the guy. But dude was just a dude.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:24 pm
  • SeaTown81 wrote:I fear the wrath this comment is going to get me from Redskin nation. But whatever. The level to which they have deified Taylor is scary. Nothing against the guy. But dude was just a dude.



    No wrath needed. He was a young exceptionally talented player who was just beginning to touch the surface of his potential. Unfortunately he lost his life protecting his family in his own home. He wasn't out at some night club, or gang-banging on some street corner. Sure he made some stupid decisions early on as a young man..but Redskins fans watched his growth as a person and maturity level. We were excited about what we knew he could become (He was already a phenomenally talented player by that time in his young career).

    He was home grown, drafted by our team not a free agent, so yes it was a tough pill to swallow when he was lost. I'm not sure if to you this is making him some sort of divinity...I can't speak for the rest of Redskins Nation..but that's how I viewed him.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:47 pm
  • Conrad87 wrote:or gang-banging on some street corner.


    I guess this is true in the D.C. area, since being charged with 3 counts of felony assault is just a typical day around there...? He managed to get it dropped in a plea agreement, but still. You guys seriously need to stop beating the Sean Taylor drum around here; keep it to your own forums, please.

    Back to the topic at hand. I have a question for Redskins fans. Are you at all concerned about only putting up one touchdown against an elite defense this year? Granted, I'm referring only to the Steelers game; the Ravens defense finished the year ranked 19th by Football Outsiders. Injury, age, and under-performance have made that unit go from champs to chumps in a record-setting time frame. The Seahawks finished the year #1 in defense for points allowed, which is by far the most important defensive measuring metric.

    I think it will take a phenomenal day (your best of the year) on offense to put up good points against us. While that certainly might happen, I wouldn't count it as likely.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:05 pm
  • Conrad87 wrote:I’m here because I’ve been reading your board all week and it simply puzzles me how arrogant and overconfident some here are about this weekend’s game. I mean, I’ve read comments like:

    “You guys have No Shot.!”
    “Our team is better than yours at every position”
    “You won’t score more than 13 points on us”
    “We’ll hang 50 on ya”

    Really? I mean really….


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    If it's entertaining for you to cherry-pick commentary and take offense with it, why not stay over at ExtremeForeskin.com?

    I mean, they are doing the exact same thing over there...right? Really? I mean really...

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Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:37 pm
  • Conrad87 wrote:
    Harperville wrote:
    Conrad87 wrote:Greetings to all,

    Redskins fan here and I come in peace.
    I’m not here to troll or to make asinine comments like “We’ll beat you because you guys suck…blah, blah, blah." I’m here because I’ve been reading your board all week and it simply puzzles me how arrogant and overconfident some here are about this weekend’s game. I mean, I’ve read comments like:

    “You guys have No Shot.!”
    “Our team is better than yours at every position”
    “You won’t score more than 13 points on us”
    “We’ll hang 50 on ya”

    Really? I mean really….some speak as if the Seahawks are traveling across country to play the Maryland Terrapins this Sunday.
    I get it, your team is very balanced, young, well put together, hungry, and playing exceptionally well right now.
    But…...so are the Redskins. How can you rationally conclude that a professional team that has run off 7 consecutive victories and hosting a home playoff game has absolutely zero shot at winning number 8? I don’t care who that team has played. You can only play who they put in front of you.
    And the statement that someone here made that “If the Redskins played in the NFCW they’d be 6-10 at best this season” seems very misguided. The NFC West was extremely top heavy this season.
    49ers 11-4-1
    Seahawks 11-5
    Rams 7-8-1
    Cardinals 5-11
    While the argument could be made that the NFC East had more balance (albeit in a down year)
    Redskins 10-6
    Giants 9-7
    Cowboys 8-8
    Eagles 4-12

    The only team in the division that absolutely sucked eggs was the Eagles. Somehow the Redskins finished with a 5-1 divisional record. Yes; 50% of the NFCW was very good (49ers and Seahawks). Whereas, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone objective who would claim that both the Giants and Cowboys (though inconsistent this year) completely sucked. So 75% of the NFCE was at least above average. (If it were not for the Redskins, both the Giants and the Cowboys would have finished 10-6).

    Please don’t make this about our team mascot or fight song. I'm talking Football here. No, not EVERY Redskins fan is an idiot. Nor is every Redskins fan lacking in football knowledge. I can say with full confidence that I can discuss X’s and O’s with ANYONE. (I played 3 years division 1-AA ball and coach HS football). So please don’t try to tell me that schematically the Redskins have “No Shot”.
    You guys have a very good team, not denial here. But this is the NFL; you just don’t win 7 straight without doing something right.

    Am I saying with 100% certainty that the Redskins will win this weekend? No. But do I think we have a darn good chance? You bet I do.



    So you're making the argument that three above average teams and a crap team makes for a tougher division than two stud teams (don't take my word for it, look at the end of season rankings), a mediocre team and a crap team because....there's more balance? Seahawks outside their division? 8-2. Redskins? 5-5. You feasted on an inferior division homie, but hey that's exactly what you are supposed to do. Just don't think you are on our level.



    No sir, I am making the argument that to say the NFCW is miles above the NFCE is ridiculous.

    "On our level" LOL...my friend...this is exactly what I'm referring to. Some here are waaayyy too confident heading into this game..Like the Seahawks are the 85 Bears...

    These are two young, talented, and confident squads who are extremely hungry and motivated. If the Seahawks execute, limit mistakes, and have a superior strategy, then they will win. Likewise, for the Redskins. But in no way shape or form will one team lose simply because they weren't "On the other team's Level." That's just silly fanboy talk.



    You aren't on our level. Our defenses and special teams aren't even close. Your team can win, if the Seahawks turn the ball over and beat themselves, which with their road woes could happen. If this game was at the Clink it wouldn't even be a problem. If both teams play close to their capabilities, you lose.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:40 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Pikachu wrote:His only charge was drinking and driving. These accusations are based off his apperance, nothing more.


    He's a thug because of aggravated assault (which he luckily was able to plead down) and being suspected of more. I don't know where you get off saying his only charge was drinking & driving. Also, there are plenty of white thugs; you're the one making the racial distinction.



    please can we let ST rest in peace. I don't know who started this between skins fans and hawk fans but it should really stop...
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:46 pm
  • burggold75 wrote:I don't know who started this between skins fans and hawk fans but it should really stop...


    I completely agree.
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  • burggold75 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    Pikachu wrote:His only charge was drinking and driving. These accusations are based off his apperance, nothing more.


    He's a thug because of aggravated assault (which he luckily was able to plead down) and being suspected of more. I don't know where you get off saying his only charge was drinking & driving. Also, there are plenty of white thugs; you're the one making the racial distinction.



    please can we let ST rest in peace. I don't know who started this between skins fans and hawk fans but it should really stop...


    I'd agree with this, let the man rest in peace. Sounds like Redskins fans have a special place in their hearts for this guy, which I totally understand, and respect.

    It's kind of like for me, when I'm browsing a Redskins forum, and see some smack talk directed at Seattle (not the team, but the city), with some pretty bad comments about Kurt Cobain or Layne Staley..... ouch, low blow. Somethings should just be off limits. imho
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:55 pm
  • burggold75 wrote:please can we let ST rest in peace. I don't know who started this between skins fans and hawk fans but it should really stop...


    Couldn't agree more. No offense to you, bburggold. You're cool. But it's your fans that aren't letting this die. Heck, most of us totally forgot about the entire deal. Not to mention Taylor himself. It seems your fans took a couple small isolated incidents and blew them up to ridiculous levels, creating some insane rallying cry to to run with 5 years after the fact. It's really sad. If your fans would just shut up about it, none of us would've even thought to talk about it. Your fans have slandered, accused, and antagonized us as a fanbase. All it did was provoke. This is sadly all on the same fans playing the victim card. Ridiculous and stupid as hell.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:08 pm
  • SeaTown81 wrote:
    burggold75 wrote:please can we let ST rest in peace. I don't know who started this between skins fans and hawk fans but it should really stop...


    Couldn't agree more. No offense to you, bburggold. You're cool. But it's your fans that aren't letting this die. Heck, most of us totally forgot about the entire deal. Not to mention Taylor himself. It seems your fans took a couple small isolated incidents and blew them up to ridiculous levels, creating some insane rallying cry to to run with 5 years after the fact. It's really sad. If your fans would just shut up about it, none of us would've even thought to talk about it. Your fans have slandered, accused, and antagonized us as a fanbase. All it did was provoke. This is sadly all on the same fans playing the victim card. Ridiculous and stupid as hell.



    And amazingly, all these Redskins fans were there all of a sudden, so their slanderous stories can't be challenged.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:13 pm
  • I remember after that game, there was 1 report that I remember that a lady got a hot dog thrown at her outside the stadium, and she got ketchup on her jeans.

    There were pictures up about it, stories, blogs, it apparently was a big deal.

    Over the years, it seems the stories have grown and grown, and multiplied. Urban myth level now apparently.

    Hey lady, from all of Seattle, I'm sorry about the ketchup on your jeans!
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:26 pm
  • twisted_steel2 wrote:I remember after that game, there was 1 report that I remember that a lady got a hot dog thrown at her outside the stadium, and she got ketchup on her jeans.

    There were pictures up about it, stories, blogs, it apparently was a big deal.

    Over the years, it seems the stories have grown and grown, and multiplied. Urban myth level now apparently.

    Hey lady, from all of Seattle, I'm sorry about the ketchup on your jeans!


    I'm not. That slut had it coming.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:34 pm
  • twisted_steel2 wrote:I remember after that game, there was 1 report that I remember that a lady got a hot dog thrown at her outside the stadium, and she got ketchup on her jeans.

    There were pictures up about it, stories, blogs, it apparently was a big deal.

    Over the years, it seems the stories have grown and grown, and multiplied. Urban myth level now apparently.

    Hey lady, from all of Seattle, I'm sorry about the ketchup on your jeans!


    haha...it all seems stupid now to me. One hawks/skins fan acts like an idiot doesn't mean all are the same...i think most fans are cool in general.

    and that logic goes for every team....even the eagles but that's a stretch lol
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Re: Redskin Fan's POV
Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:41 pm
  • SeaTown81 wrote:
    burggold75 wrote:please can we let ST rest in peace. I don't know who started this between skins fans and hawk fans but it should really stop...


    Couldn't agree more. No offense to you, bburggold. You're cool. But it's your fans that aren't letting this die. Heck, most of us totally forgot about the entire deal. Not to mention Taylor himself. It seems your fans took a couple small isolated incidents and blew them up to ridiculous levels, creating some insane rallying cry to to run with 5 years after the fact. It's really sad. If your fans would just shut up about it, none of us would've even thought to talk about it. Your fans have slandered, accused, and antagonized us as a fanbase. All it did was provoke. This is sadly all on the same fans playing the victim card. Ridiculous and stupid as hell.



    This is coming from a die-hard ST fan...i mean he is immortalized in my eyes. I always wear #21 jersey and probably always will

    I'm ready to let it go and forget about it. If I see anyone bringing this up I'll tell them to drop it. I agree we are the ones that need to let this go...
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