Hawks terminate Baldwin and Chancellor contracts...

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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:From what I've heard the team did Doug a solid by releasing him rather than him having to retire. By releasing him he is guaranteed to keep all his signing bonus (something they could have gone after if he was forced to retire instead) and he is also protected injury wise if he is unable to play anymore (retiring would have waived any right to an injury settlement).


    It also saves us 9M in cap this year, and possibly 20M in 2020. So not entirely altruistic on our part..........and IMO we wouldn't have made him pay back the pro-rated signing bonus portion. Just like we didn't make Marshawn pay his back.

    It's what good organizations do.


    I agree they likely would not have gone after that money, but it still is guaranteed vs not guaranteed for the player...

    Also we'll see on the cap savings. If Doug can no longer play and gets an injury settlement can't that cut into that savings?


    I think that's the tradeoff there.............we're going to cut you, let you keep your signing bonus so we can get the cap savings now, in lieu of a lesser injury settlement that might take much longer to negotiate (and I think that it also has to be cleared by the league office or something).


    Gotcha, ok. Well, I just hope they parted ways on good terms. I hope Doug stays connected to the team and the city in some way. He's done a lot of good here, beyond just what he's done on the field. It'll be interesting to see what's next for Doug.
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  • If you recall, at the draft pressers, JS and Pete were talking about Baldwin and how they were working with him.

    I think they negotiated this out and while nobody is happy that it is done, I think both sides have a situation they can deal with. Wouldn't surprise me if Doug has a job with the club going forward, where he gets paid, but it doesn't count against the cap. ;)

    Sad to hear, but inevitable. If not this year, then very soon.

    Thanks for all the memories Doug, and all of the hard work and dedication. You're a good man. Good luck in all you do.

    As far as Kam, he's been done for a while now. Have loved seeing him out on the sidelines and with the team working with the young guys. Good to see his contract situation resolved, finally.
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  • Here's the cap implications

    Seattle has $6,287,500 of dead money from Doug Baldwin's release. Since his salary cap number was $13,143,750, Seattle gets $6,856,250 of cap relief. Failed physical designation sets up potential CBA injury protection claim, which could result in additional $1.2M 2019 cap charge.
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  • Boy oh boy. Thanks for it all boys.
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  • I hope to one day see Baldwin's & Chancellor's names hung up at the CLink.
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  • Man those guys were 49ers killers. Great football players
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  • Both legends and will no doubt have there names on the ring of honor.
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  • Would love seeing both come back as position coaches one day.
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  • Very sad to see but not surprising.
    2 of my favorite Hawks of all time.
    Absolute warriors and will forever be Champions.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:Very sad to see but not surprising.
    2 of my favorite Hawks of all time.
    Absolute warriors and will forever be Champions.



    :ditto:

    Still, the reality had me all teary-eyed for a bit...
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  • Good luck to them both. As really it is a new era and a new time. Hope they can get teams asap there.
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  • Doug doesn't qualify for an injury settlement with the Hawks.

    Injury settlements are for players on IR, and they have to be entered into within 5 days of the player being placed on IR (unless the rules have changed in the last couple of years).

    If Doug remained on the roster, he would be PUPed.
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  • Such a sad day. I was hoping against hope that Doug could make it one more year.

    Two class guys who gave it 100% all the time. They will definitely be missed.
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  • So it appears the Seahawks did him a favor doing it now and themselves a favor later in cap savings.

    Good for them and Doug

    Will miss them both.
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  • chris98251 wrote:So it appears the Seahawks did him a favor doing it now and themselves a favor later in cap savings.

    Good for them and Doug

    Will miss them both.

    Schneider was saying they were in talks. Sounds like they came to a deal that both sides could live with. :2thumbs:
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  • Both are absolute legends. Players who I will never forget. Hats off.
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  • I do hope to see them both on the sidelines coaching up the younger players. I know Kam did it last year. Need to keep that going.!

    Two Seahawks Greats ROH for sure!
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  • Maybe there is a valid reason that other teams don’t go full on in practice like the Hawks do?
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  • I get the feeling that Kam could be a future coach or sideline guy to help with the young guys and get into that side of the game. I don't get that impression with Doug. With the interest he has taken in social issues etc, I think his interests lie in things outside of football.
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  • Kam and Doug, thanks for the great memories and awesome plays.
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  • DJrmb wrote:From what I've heard the team did Doug a solid by releasing him rather than him having to retire. By releasing him he is guaranteed to keep all his signing bonus (something they could have gone after if he was forced to retire instead) and he is also protected injury wise if he is unable to play anymore (retiring would have waived any right to an injury settlement).


    This is what I understood as well.
    I’m thinking the team did what’s best for Doug in the situation as it is/was.

    It’s my opinion that anyone that thinks the Hawks “screwed” DB simply doesn’t understand how it worked.

    Obviously “Seahawks cut/release Doug Baldwin” sounds bad on a first take but folks really should look a little deeper before they start spewing.
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  • pmedic920 wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:From what I've heard the team did Doug a solid by releasing him rather than him having to retire. By releasing him he is guaranteed to keep all his signing bonus (something they could have gone after if he was forced to retire instead) and he is also protected injury wise if he is unable to play anymore (retiring would have waived any right to an injury settlement).


    This is what I understood as well.
    I’m thinking the team did what’s best for Doug in the situation as it is/was.

    It’s my opinion that anyone that thinks the Hawks “screwed” DB simply doesn’t understand how it worked.

    Obviously “Seahawks cut/release Doug Baldwin” sounds bad on a first take but folks really should look a little deeper before they start spewing.

    Which is probably why they said they "terminated" his contract. More of a layoff than a firing. ;)

    I go back to the interviews at the draft. Pete and John would only say they were 'discussing' the situation with Doug. That sounds to me like they were negotiating an exit strategy, not just planning to cut him.
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  • SeahawksRawk wrote:I do hope to see them both on the sidelines coaching up the younger players. I know Kam did it last year. Need to keep that going.!

    Two Seahawks Greats ROH for sure!


    Technically Kam was still on the team last year, on the PUP list. So my guess is he wanted to be a good teammate and be present on the sidelines and in practice.

    So I'd be shocked if we saw the same thing this year now that he's been released. Hopefully they will find a coaching/assistant role for him (if he wants it).
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  • Two things stand out to me about these two, they were REAL football players.
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  • DomeHawk wrote:Two things stand out to me about these two, they were REAL football players.


    For sure, and honestly I don't think we're going to see a player like Kam ever again.

    For not only his size and speed at the safety position, but the league even allowing a player like Kam to destroy RB's, TE's and WR's. Half of his hits on his highlight real would be penalties now.
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  • bigskydoc wrote:Doug doesn't qualify for an injury settlement with the Hawks.

    Injury settlements are for players on IR, and they have to be entered into within 5 days of the player being placed on IR (unless the rules have changed in the last couple of years).

    If Doug remained on the roster, he would be PUPed.


    Right, it's not an "injury settlement" it's the "injury protection benefit" he's eligible for because of the way the Hawks released him (with failed physical status). He's eligible for extra money because of his injury and contract termination.

    The Injury Protection Benefit is a benefit available to a player if he meets the following criteria: (1) Suffers an injury in an NFL game or practice which causes him to be unable to play in all or part of the last game of the season of injury, or, which results in club-authorized offseason surgery; (2) Undergoes reasonable and customary club-required rehabilitation in the offseason following the injury; and (3) Fails the club’s preseason physical for the season following the injury and his contract is terminated.


    The injury protection benefit was greatly enhanced in the 2011 CBA. During the first year after the year of injury, a player is guaranteed 50 percent of his salary, up to $1 million, if a contract is in place for that year. The previous maximum was $300,000. The injury protection benefit was also expanded, and a player is now guaranteed 30 percent of his salary, up to $500,000, in the second year after the injury if he has a contract in place for that year.

    http://proplayerinsiders.com/nfl-player-team-news-features/nflpa-receives-information-on-players-eligible-for-new-injury-protection-benefit/
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  • Just because it's interesting, with the Baldwin and Chancellor cuts:

    The 49ers are down to two remaining players from their 2013 Super Bowl losing roster.

    The Seahawks are down to three remaining players from their 2014 Super Bowl winning roster. (the 49ers have three total players from their 2014 roster also).

    Also interesting: The 49ers now have two players from the Seahawks 2014 roster, and the Seahawks also now have two players from the 2014 49ers roster.


    The roster turnover in the NFL is pretty mind boggling.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:Two things stand out to me about these two, they were REAL football players.


    For sure, and honestly I don't think we're going to see a player like Kam ever again.

    For not only his size and speed at the safety position, but the league even allowing a player like Kam to destroy RB's, TE's and WR's. Half of his hits on his highlight real would be penalties now.

    Oh yeah ..He was a treat to watch before they pussified the game..
    What about the epic jump over the lineman to block the FG against the Lions?
    I'll miss both players fire on the field.
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  • Two of the all time great Seahawks. They will be dearly missed.

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  • Kam might be my favorite Seahawk ever. I pretty much expected his days were over. But, very bummed that Doug Baldwin is done in Seattle.

    I haven't owned any jerseys. Just the T-shirt mock jerseys. I have bought jerseys for my kids instead. I would proudly wear Baldwin 89 and or Chancellor 31 well after their playing days.

    Excited about young talent, but Damn... Two of the best ever.
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  • This really is tough for me as a fan to deal with as they were two of my most favourite Seahawks players and key elements in the the core group of players that made this team so successful in recent years. I am so grateful the Seahawks were blessed with both these amazing players.

    Both players extremely gifted, intelligent and humble. I can't believe their time as Seahawks is over. I hope they get the honours they deserve for what they did as Seahawks.

    Thank you so much for what you did for this team. You will be sorely missed and fondly remembered by so many fans not just for your incredible contributions as players on the field but also the leadership and respect that followed you as individuals.

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  • What is the underlying injury that Mr Baldwin has that would prevent him from playing football? On another note, why release him in this manner? It leaves him an unrestricted free agent after he does rehab. This is similar to the thing they did for Marshawn Lynch where he took his millions and move on to another team. These players act like they are oppressed, yet they get paid to sit on the sidelines making bank, while planning to move on to greener pastures.
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  • jeremiah wrote:What is the underlying injury that Mr Baldwin has that would prevent him from playing football? On another note, why release him in this manner? It leaves him an unrestricted free agent after he does rehab. This is similar to the thing they did for Marshawn Lynch where he took his millions and move on to another team. These players act like they are oppressed, yet they get paid to sit on the sidelines making bank, while planning to move on to greener pastures.

    First, I think it was mainly the knee problem that bothered him all last season, but he also had shoulder and sports hernia surgeries in the off season. He's pretty beat up.

    Second, if you read this thread or the linked articles you would realize that this is probably the most equitable outcome for both Doug and the team. Doug keeps his bonus money, and is still possible eligible for about $1.2 mill in injury settlement money. The team gets some cap relief this season and next. The likelihood that Doug pulls a "Marshawn" is pretty slim. The evidence says he's done. His tone and demeanor sounds like he's done. Doug has always been honest and strait forward with the team and the fans. If he wanted to continue playing, it would be here.

    The issue of whether players are "oppressed" or not is beyond the scope of this board as it gets into philosophical and political arguments. Probably don't want to go there. ;)
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  • You are correct, no one wants to mix politics and leisure/sports. It destroys both. I know nothing about Doug Baldwin personally. He represents himself the way he wants to be perceived. That does not mean what he shows us is his true self. To me his true self was him feigning "taking a dump" at the Super Bowl. Or screaming about not being respected in his earlier days. If I were to bet on the ultimate outcome, I would bet he will play again. He will take off the necessary time to feel fully healthy, then move on to whomever pays him the most. JMO, but it is an honestly felt one.
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