FlyingGreg wrote:Two Ducks? Did JSeahawks help with this?![]()
Interesting.
FlyingGreg wrote:Two Ducks? Did JSeahawks help with this?![]()
Interesting.
RockHawk wrote:Looks great as always Em, but I disagree on the 2nd round pick. You have to believe it will be the following:
2nd rd (56): "Some guy nobody's ever heard of that the pundits have rated in the mid to late rounds"
EmDiggy wrote:Thanks Gang! I'm willing to give Jaye Howard a chance at the position before rushing to draft one..you never know, he may be the guy you're looking for
pehawk wrote:EmDiggy wrote:Thanks Gang! I'm willing to give Jaye Howard a chance at the position before rushing to draft one..you never know, he may be the guy you're looking for
I hope so. This regime essentially "redshirted" Tate his first year too. Plus, the Hawks signed yet ANOTHER DT today.
FlyingGreg wrote:The reality is, our line can stand to improve. If you take the blinders off and watch last season, there were issues - especially in pass blocking. Considering what we have at QB and the need to protect him as much as possible, it makes perfect sense that we would be looking at the O line in the draft.
Those of you who have convinced yourself there's "no way" they go OL in the draft might be in for a surprise.
Attyla the Hawk wrote:pehawk wrote:EmDiggy wrote:Thanks Gang! I'm willing to give Jaye Howard a chance at the position before rushing to draft one..you never know, he may be the guy you're looking for
I hope so. This regime essentially "redshirted" Tate his first year too. Plus, the Hawks signed yet ANOTHER DT today.
Yeah see that.
We have 2 UFAs to replace the 2 we lost or are still missing (Jones and Branch). Avril could technically be replacing Leroy Hill. I'd have to think that Howard, Scruggs and McDonald would be candidates for some competition.
FlyingGreg wrote:Two Ducks? Did JSeahawks help with this?![]()
Interesting.
JSeahawks wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:Two Ducks? Did JSeahawks help with this?![]()
Interesting.
Nope. Because I think Barner is going to suck in the NFL and I would not draft him.
Kiko would make me extremely happy though as he is my very favorite player in the draft. I think he'll be a pro bowler by the time his rookie contract is up.
JSeahawks wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:Two Ducks? Did JSeahawks help with this?![]()
Interesting.
Nope. Because I think Barner is going to suck in the NFL and I would not draft him.
Kiko would make me extremely happy though as he is my very favorite player in the draft. I think he'll be a pro bowler by the time his rookie contract is up.
pehawk wrote:JSeahawks wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:Two Ducks? Did JSeahawks help with this?![]()
Interesting.
Nope. Because I think Barner is going to suck in the NFL and I would not draft him.
Kiko would make me extremely happy though as he is my very favorite player in the draft. I think he'll be a pro bowler by the time his rookie contract is up.
Can we see what a Ducks fan thinks? Didn't you pick against their hoops team...and cling to LaMichonne James eventually playing like a boy?
I like the Mamba. He'd be a great Poor Man's Harvin and return guy.
Throwdown wrote:JSeahawks wrote:FlyingGreg wrote:Two Ducks? Did JSeahawks help with this?![]()
Interesting.
Nope. Because I think Barner is going to suck in the NFL and I would not draft him.
Kiko would make me extremely happy though as he is my very favorite player in the draft. I think he'll be a pro bowler by the time his rookie contract is up.
You think Alonso can play OLB, J?
pehawk wrote:I had credibility?
Attyla the Hawk wrote:First off, very awesome work. It's unusual to see a guy who works the national scope to have such a detailed grasp on each individual club. Your stuff is must read quality.
That mock was very close to a dream mock I entered on draft countdown forum a week or so ago:
1st rd (25): Percy Harvin (trade)
2nd rd (56): Menelik Watson OT
3rd rd (87): Ryan Swope WR
4th rd (123): John Simon DL
5th rd (138): Chris Harper WR
5th rd (158): Brennan Williams OT
6th rd (194): Quanterus Smith DE
7th rd (214): Rufus Johnson DL
7th rd (220): Jelani Jenkins LB
7th rd (231): Abry Jones DT
7th rd (241): Brice Butler WR -> CB
7th rd (242): Luke Marquardt OT
Even got Watson and Marquardt in the exact same round. But I just don't see us taking one guard, let alone 2 when we have 3 that we're still evaluating. The OT depth is a huge problem and while we agreed on OL in Rd. 5, I see it being a OT exclusive draft.
Seattle has established a pretty clear threshold for speed in the LBs we select. This years' LB class is very notoriously slow. I like Collins as a prospect, but I do think that unless he's seen as a competitor/successor to KJ Wright -- I think we end up taking a project with speed in R7.
I'd also concede that getting Swope and Simon at those spots is becoming increasingly unlikely. We'd pretty much need to move those up a full round and even then that may not do it.
It's a good/deep draft for OL/DL, WR and DBs. I can see us getting more than 2 OL and DL each pretty easily. I don't see us skipping WR for 2 straight years (virtually 3 since 2011 netted us Kris Durham).
Awesome work! I still contend that there will be at least 5 players from this draft that make this team. I'd put the over/under on that figure.
And yes, I did realize later, that I have one too many 7th round selections up there.
JSeahawks wrote:That would be a question more for guys like Kearly and the like who like to break shit down. I just know that he's a hell of a football player, so I dont know any reason he couldnt play on the outside. The Ducks defense is actually a bit similar to the Seahawks. Dion Jordan essentially plays the Leo position although we call it the drop end. So although technically Kiko played inside linebacker, his roll was a lot like our outside linebacker would play when Dion was rushing the passer. He's dumb as a box of rocks (the quality Oregon education!) but he was born to be a football player.
Sacked Russell Wilson twice and intercepted him once in the Rose Bowl.
kearly wrote:I suspect we won't hear a LB get called for us until the late rounds and it will probably be a LB we've never heard of before.
Attyla the Hawk wrote:kearly wrote:I suspect we won't hear a LB get called for us until the late rounds and it will probably be a LB we've never heard of before.
I have this vibe too. I'm wondering if Pete doesn't genuinely see some imminent quality from Smith, Morgan and Bradford.
NYCoug wrote:Attyla the Hawk wrote:kearly wrote:I suspect we won't hear a LB get called for us until the late rounds and it will probably be a LB we've never heard of before.
I have this vibe too. I'm wondering if Pete doesn't genuinely see some imminent quality from Smith, Morgan and Bradford.
Can't forget Toomer either. Personally, I hope he ends up being the WILL of the future. I think I'd absolutely lose my mind if this team had a Vandal that was a starter and contributor.
NYCoug wrote:Attyla the Hawk wrote:kearly wrote:I suspect we won't hear a LB get called for us until the late rounds and it will probably be a LB we've never heard of before.
I have this vibe too. I'm wondering if Pete doesn't genuinely see some imminent quality from Smith, Morgan and Bradford.
Can't forget Toomer either. Personally, I hope he ends up being the WILL of the future. I think I'd absolutely lose my mind if this team had a Vandal that was a starter and contributor. I have a weird love for the U of I, that few in NYC have or appreciate, and have been a fan of Toomer's since his Vandal days.
As far as drafting an LB in the later rounds that we've never heard of before to add to the competition? My money's on either Jayson Dimanche or Joplo Bartu.
Although, kearly, I still wouldn't be surprised if they go with Arthur Brown in Round 2 or 3 (doubt he lasts that long) just because Pete Carroll and John Schneider almost always get their guy when they've got the chance to. Pete's man love for Arthur Brown is well documented.
Attyla the Hawk wrote:
I could go with that.
But I think it's important to recognize, that the tea leaves have been pretty consistent if you look at them. All of the late round prospects that have turned into contributors (Sweezy, Sherman, Lane, Chancellor, Scruggs, Baldwin*, Wilson, Turbin, Wright, McCoy) -- they all had one thing in common. They were entrusted to play and Pete put them on the field even during their development.
Guys that are inactive or hidden on the practice squad basically haven't stuck at all. I mean really at all. Like zero percent chance. There are a whole host of prospects in that category: Durham, Dexter Davis, EJ Wilson, Konz, Legree, Winston Guy, Toomer and Howard. These are guys that were drafted and not played.
Pete hasn't been very mysterious about this. If you are going to be a player in the future, you are going to get snaps as a raw rookie. I'd say it's a core tenet to his philosophy on developing players because he's done it since his first days at SC.
Doesn't mean someone won't break the cycle. But you know what they say about betting against a streak....
jlwaters1 wrote:I think Toomer would be a terrific WLB. He's super Athletic and was one of the only bright spots on a bad Vandal team in 2011. He's a good blitzer and also covers alot of ground in coverage. Hopefully it all comes together in year 2.
Scottemojo wrote:I think the Watson pick is a bit of a miss. Armstead? I could see that. But Watson seems to me to be challenged so athletically in some respects that the Hawks would never pick him.
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