Taking a Break from the Lock vs Geno QB Controversy

[bsuhawk]

Here's a video that shows the mayhem that existed in the NFL back in the day. And in case you are wondering, with a few exceptions, the hits in this video were legal back then. The level of abuse QBs used to endure was truly amazing.

 

[Scout]

Most of those tackles and hits were legal up to the 2000s. That is when the NFL started to change drastically. Then 2010s was another turning point.

You can see this based on which defenses were dominant on their way to Super Bowls.

 

[Weadoption]

it’s the money.
you have the protect the qb’s because reasons.

 

[Cyrus12]

Nobody cares about the punter though.....

 

[IndyHawk]

The newer fan who thinks today's QB's are the greatest
should watch this to understand why they didn't pass so
much or put up pretty stat lines.
It wasn't because of talent but because you'd get killed
taking hit after hit after you released the ball seconds prior.
The rules of then allowed all to be fair game and nothing
was easy like parts of today are with all the rules protecting
the QB and WR's thus allowing all these pretty numbers.
I have thought about a QB like Marino or Montana who had to
play with the rules of then, can you imagine the numbers they
would put up in with today's game?
Can you say the same if you flipped one of today's elites to then?
I seriously cannot for durability reasons alone.
Brady, Manning and Favre (all ret) who actually had to play early on
under parts of what used to be allowed would be fine but how many
others can you think of?

 

[Cyrus12]

The newer fan who thinks today's QB's are the greatest
should watch this to understand why they didn't pass so
much or put up pretty stat lines.
It wasn't because of talent but because you'd get killed
taking hit after hit after you released the ball seconds prior.
The rules of then allowed all to be fair game and nothing
was easy like parts of today are with all the rules protecting
the QB and WR's thus allowing all these pretty numbers.
I have thought about a QB like Marino or Montana who had to
play with the rules of then, can you imagine the numbers they
would put up in with today's game?
Can you say the same if you flipped one of today's elites to then?
I seriously cannot for durability reasons alone.
Brady, Manning and Favre (all ret) who actually had to play early on
under parts of what used to be allowed would be fine but how many
others can you think of?

It really started to change after golden boy Brady got his knee torqued and cost him a season. That was not good for nfl business. Even for years after it really depended on who the qb was that took the hit if it was gonna result in a penalty. Brady Manning...couldn't touch these guys with any style of a punishing hit...but other guys were getting killed and not getting any calls. Scam Newton comes to mind as did Russ who would get slammed by guys like Clay Matthews with late hits and never get called. Seems to have evened out now mostly.

I thought Favre was gonna die in the bountygate game vs NO. He was getting killed. I've seen some old clips of shots Montana used to take and not sure how he got up after.

 

[CouchLogic]

it’s the money.
you have the protect the qb’s because reasons.

I don't think it's working, lol. How many starting QBs have missed games this year? How many are out for the year?

...nfl logic is dumb.

 

[Cyrus12]

I don't think it's working, lol. How many starting QBs have missed games this year? How many are out for the year?

...nfl logic is dumb.

That's why the next step is to reduce hitting styles which they are starting next year and my guess is full change to flag football in 2030.

 

[IndyHawk]

It really started to change after golden boy Brady got his knee torqued and cost him a season. That was not good for nfl business. Even for years after it really depended on who the qb was that took the hit if it was gonna result in a penalty. Brady Manning...couldn't touch these guys with any style of a punishing hit...but other guys were getting killed and not getting any calls. Scam Newton comes to mind as did Russ who would get slammed by guys like Clay Matthews with late hits and never get called. Seems to have evened out now mostly.

I thought Favre was gonna die in the bountygate game vs NO. He was getting killed. I've seen some old clips of shots Montana used to take and not sure how he got up after.

Bountygate was year long thing but climaxed in that NFC title game.
Me and friends watching were feeling pretty bad for Favre and the refs
were just letting it happen.
It took all that for the Saints to win for a Katrina feel good story.
I still remember that ankle being the size of a grapefruit and feeling
sick.

 

[bsuhawk]

The newer fan who thinks today's QB's are the greatest
should watch this to understand why they didn't pass so
much or put up pretty stat lines.
It wasn't because of talent but because you'd get killed
taking hit after hit after you released the ball seconds prior.
The rules of then allowed all to be fair game and nothing
was easy like parts of today are with all the rules protecting
the QB and WR's thus allowing all these pretty numbers.
I have thought about a QB like Marino or Montana who had to
play with the rules of then, can you imagine the numbers they
would put up in with today's game?
Can you say the same if you flipped one of today's elites to then?
I seriously cannot for durability reasons alone.
Brady, Manning and Favre (all ret) who actually had to play early on
under parts of what used to be allowed would be fine but how many
others can you think of?

Marino would be an absolute beast in today's game. He, Elway, and Namath are probably the best arms I've seen.

 

[AROS]

The newer fan who thinks today's QB's are the greatest
should watch this to understand why they didn't pass so
much or put up pretty stat lines.
It wasn't because of talent but because you'd get killed
taking hit after hit after you released the ball seconds prior.
The rules of then allowed all to be fair game and nothing
was easy like parts of today are with all the rules protecting
the QB and WR's thus allowing all these pretty numbers.
I have thought about a QB like Marino or Montana who had to
play with the rules of then, can you imagine the numbers they
would put up in with today's game?
Can you say the same if you flipped one of today's elites to then?
I seriously cannot for durability reasons alone.
Brady, Manning and Favre (all ret) who actually had to play early on
under parts of what used to be allowed would be fine but how many
others can you think of?

You write in a poetry format. I'm now a fan of you.

 

[bigskydoc]

The newer fan who thinks today's QB's are the greatest
should watch this to understand why they didn't pass so
much or put up pretty stat lines.

Same with the fans who think the legendary defenses of yester year (Purple People Eaters, Monsters of the Midway, etc) would somehow be as dominant today, or who believe that a team can find success in the current era if it was built in the mold of those teams. It was just a totally different game.

Sad to say, it's not about player safety. It's about billionaires protecting their product/ bottom line.

 

[Cyrus12]

Bountygate was year long thing but climaxed in that NFC title game.
Me and friends watching were feeling pretty bad for Favre and the refs
were just letting it happen.
It took all that for the Saints to win for a Katrina feel good story.
I still remember that ankle being the size of a grapefruit and feeling
sick.

Yep that win was all about Katrina.

 

[fenderbender123]

it’s the money.
you have the protect the qb’s because reasons.

And what I don't like is that the NFL is still extremely profitable even when QBs get injured more often. They just can't help themselves but try and eak out a few extra million a year with all these rules that keep casuals tuning in and spending money.

 

[fenderbender123]

Tom Brady made some great points about all these rules changes over the decades. He argued that it's making offensive players, including QBs, less likely to try and protect themselves, because they know defenders are weary about being penalized.

I agree with him, but I know that somebody could probably point to stats about injuries to justify the rules. Personally, I think it's best to let the balance happen naturally, and relax all these rules. If players and teams care about protecting themselves, then they can take measures to do so on the field when they play. Don't take big risks. If that costs them games, and that's a problem, then they need to figure out how to balance it all without watering down the game with bogus rules.

Personally, I love big hits. I get so excited when my team is delivering them. It's one of the things that made the game so great.

 

[bigskydoc]

Tom Brady made some great points about all these rules changes over the decades. He argued that it's making offensive players, including QBs, less likely to try and protect themselves, because they know defenders are weary about being penalized.

I agree with him, but I know that somebody could probably point to stats about injuries to justify the rules. Personally, I think it's best to let the balance happen naturally, and relax all these rules. If players and teams care about protecting themselves, then they can take measures to do so on the field when they play. Don't take big risks. If that costs them games, and that's a problem, then they need to figure out how to balance it all without watering down the game with bogus rules.

Personally, I love big hits. I get so excited when my team is delivering them. It's one of the things that made the game so great.

I agree, but this has nothing to do with players and player safety.

 

[WarHawks]

You write in a poetry format. I'm now a fan of you.

+1

 

[Boohman14]

Marino would be an absolute beast in today's game. He, Elway, and Namath are probably the best arms I've seen.

Did you ever see Bert Jones of the Colts? He had a cannon and was accurate. But he got the crap beat out of him every Sunday. Another was Steve Bartkowski of Atlanta. He was amazing when healthy but he took some brutal hits. Intimidation was part of the game back then.
Plus look at how the O-line had to block in those days. There was no grabbing of shoulder pads then. Arms could not be extended, except in pass blocking and only short jabs.

 

[LastRideOut]

My son, who plays left tackle, says they are coached to punch D-linemen in the stomach so they don't try batting down balls. Smart.

 

[bsuhawk]

Did you ever see Bert Jones of the Colts? He had a cannon and was accurate. But he got the crap beat out of him every Sunday. Another was Steve Bartkowski of Atlanta. He was amazing when healthy but he took some brutal hits. Intimidation was part of the game back then.
Plus look at how the O-line had to block in those days. There was no grabbing of shoulder pads then. Arms could not be extended, except in pass blocking and only short jabs.

Both were excellent QBs. If I remember correctly, Bert Jones won an MVP in the mid-seventies. Both were very good QBs on teams that, for the most part, weren't very good.