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HawkGA":2p5jduvo said:Does this affect compensatory picks?
It does. And signing Jason Myers does not.
HawkGA":2p5jduvo said:Does this affect compensatory picks?
kidhawk":q3ruawlf said:goseahawks2012":q3ruawlf said:I'm sorry but I can't see how this is a good signing. We are paying close to 4 million dollars a year for a kicker who before last year made 81% of his kicks (the league average is 84%). This past year was an outlier at 92%. Do you guys really think signing any kicker for 4 million is a good idea when he's had exactly one year of above average performance? There is almost no chance he doesn't regress some this upcoming year and no kicker in the league is worth four million a year.
There's a couple of problems with this....first and foremost, we haven't even seen the contract yet. Just because a contract is 4 years / $16 million doesn't mean it's going to pay out $4 million per year.
Next issue is that there are several of kickers who make well over the $4 million per year mark and in fact 6 other teams have at least a $4 million cap hit for the position right now. I just looked it up and there are currently 7 other kickers in the league under contract for at least $4 million per year over their contracts
Finally, we need consistency at the position. We don't necessarily need a pro bowl kicker, but we need someone who can give us a solid kicking game for years to come instead of always having to bemoan the kicker every off season. Whether or not Myers will do this, nobody can say, but at least he's got a shot to pull it off.
goseahawks2012":6pqdjmno said:kidhawk":6pqdjmno said:goseahawks2012":6pqdjmno said:I'm sorry but I can't see how this is a good signing. We are paying close to 4 million dollars a year for a kicker who before last year made 81% of his kicks (the league average is 84%). This past year was an outlier at 92%. Do you guys really think signing any kicker for 4 million is a good idea when he's had exactly one year of above average performance? There is almost no chance he doesn't regress some this upcoming year and no kicker in the league is worth four million a year.
There's a couple of problems with this....first and foremost, we haven't even seen the contract yet. Just because a contract is 4 years / $16 million doesn't mean it's going to pay out $4 million per year.
Next issue is that there are several of kickers who make well over the $4 million per year mark and in fact 6 other teams have at least a $4 million cap hit for the position right now. I just looked it up and there are currently 7 other kickers in the league under contract for at least $4 million per year over their contracts
Finally, we need consistency at the position. We don't necessarily need a pro bowl kicker, but we need someone who can give us a solid kicking game for years to come instead of always having to bemoan the kicker every off season. Whether or not Myers will do this, nobody can say, but at least he's got a shot to pull it off.
We have limited resources and we just spent 3 to 4 million this year on a league average kicker which aren't hard to find. You say we need a solid kicking game but this guy hasn't been solid at all in his career which is why we were able to bring him in last year for the league minimum with no guarantees. Here are his stats before last year:
- 2015: 86.7% FG, 82% XP
- 2016: 79.4% FG, 90% XP
- 2017: 73% FG, 88% XP
What part of that is consistent or solid?
kidhawk":o9p69at7 said:goseahawks2012":o9p69at7 said:kidhawk":o9p69at7 said:goseahawks2012":o9p69at7 said:I'm sorry but I can't see how this is a good signing. We are paying close to 4 million dollars a year for a kicker who before last year made 81% of his kicks (the league average is 84%). This past year was an outlier at 92%. Do you guys really think signing any kicker for 4 million is a good idea when he's had exactly one year of above average performance? There is almost no chance he doesn't regress some this upcoming year and no kicker in the league is worth four million a year.
There's a couple of problems with this....first and foremost, we haven't even seen the contract yet. Just because a contract is 4 years / $16 million doesn't mean it's going to pay out $4 million per year.
Next issue is that there are several of kickers who make well over the $4 million per year mark and in fact 6 other teams have at least a $4 million cap hit for the position right now. I just looked it up and there are currently 7 other kickers in the league under contract for at least $4 million per year over their contracts
Finally, we need consistency at the position. We don't necessarily need a pro bowl kicker, but we need someone who can give us a solid kicking game for years to come instead of always having to bemoan the kicker every off season. Whether or not Myers will do this, nobody can say, but at least he's got a shot to pull it off.
We have limited resources and we just spent 3 to 4 million this year on a league average kicker which aren't hard to find. You say we need a solid kicking game but this guy hasn't been solid at all in his career which is why we were able to bring him in last year for the league minimum with no guarantees. Here are his stats before last year:
- 2015: 86.7% FG, 82% XP
- 2016: 79.4% FG, 90% XP
- 2017: 73% FG, 88% XP
What part of that is consistent or solid?
Consistency isn't just about numbers. Consistency means many things. You want to find a kicker that will be here for more than just a season and can give you the solid kickoffs along with the ability to make 50+ yard field goals. Kickers have good years and bad years. Look at Haushka and how fast some were ready to run him out of town when he had some issues. He's still a good kicker in this league.
Anyone complaining about this signing today are assuming he's going to regress back to a sub par kicker, but nobody here can know that. He wasn't a bad kicker when he was here. I was hoping we'd have kept Myers over SJ, but we didn't. That's the past, now we have a kicker making a decent salary (but not as overpaid as people like to say) who can give us consistency for the next few seasons. We already know what $2 million got us last year. I, for one, am willing to give Myers the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise on the field in a Seahawks uniform.
goseahawks2012":328v167e said:kidhawk":328v167e said:goseahawks2012":328v167e said:kidhawk":328v167e said:There's a couple of problems with this....first and foremost, we haven't even seen the contract yet. Just because a contract is 4 years / $16 million doesn't mean it's going to pay out $4 million per year.
Next issue is that there are several of kickers who make well over the $4 million per year mark and in fact 6 other teams have at least a $4 million cap hit for the position right now. I just looked it up and there are currently 7 other kickers in the league under contract for at least $4 million per year over their contracts
Finally, we need consistency at the position. We don't necessarily need a pro bowl kicker, but we need someone who can give us a solid kicking game for years to come instead of always having to bemoan the kicker every off season. Whether or not Myers will do this, nobody can say, but at least he's got a shot to pull it off.
We have limited resources and we just spent 3 to 4 million this year on a league average kicker which aren't hard to find. You say we need a solid kicking game but this guy hasn't been solid at all in his career which is why we were able to bring him in last year for the league minimum with no guarantees. Here are his stats before last year:
- 2015: 86.7% FG, 82% XP
- 2016: 79.4% FG, 90% XP
- 2017: 73% FG, 88% XP
What part of that is consistent or solid?
Consistency isn't just about numbers. Consistency means many things. You want to find a kicker that will be here for more than just a season and can give you the solid kickoffs along with the ability to make 50+ yard field goals. Kickers have good years and bad years. Look at Haushka and how fast some were ready to run him out of town when he had some issues. He's still a good kicker in this league.
Anyone complaining about this signing today are assuming he's going to regress back to a sub par kicker, but nobody here can know that. He wasn't a bad kicker when he was here. I was hoping we'd have kept Myers over SJ, but we didn't. That's the past, now we have a kicker making a decent salary (but not as overpaid as people like to say) who can give us consistency for the next few seasons. We already know what $2 million got us last year. I, for one, am willing to give Myers the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise on the field in a Seahawks uniform.
Consistency means making his kicks regularly which is something he hasn't done in career. There is a high chance he reverts back to the mean which is barely league average. And who cares if we have a new kicker every year, you act like kicking chemistry is a thing and you need to build it. Plus if he has a bad year the Seahawks will probably cut him for anthor league average kicker while taking on a dead money cap hit. There are plenty of kickers out there right now with similar stats to Jason, there is no need to pay him close to 4 mill a year. Especially when you have limited resources and lots of needs.
ivotuk":3ipm2a6l said:Ignore the naysayer! He carries a cornucopia of negativity! And bullshit.
Stats lie.
Jason Myers is 91% LIFETIME From 49 yards or less.
He's made FGs from 58 yards, and 56 yards repeatedly.
So blab, blab blab!
WestcoastSteve":1lq2izs8 said:getnasty":1lq2izs8 said:I would have perfer to draft someone, much like we did at punter last year. .
Dickson is far from the norm. The Vikings took a kicker in the 5th round 18 spots after Dickson and ended up cutting him.
Zane Gonzalez, Harrison Butker and Jake Elliot were all drafted in the last 2 years and were cut by the team that initially drafted them. Butker and Elliot are now successful kickers but it shows you how much of a crapshoot the draft is at kicker.
Seems like s lot of money for a guy thats been shaky until last year.
Meh so was Hauschka -- some kickers just take a while to figure things out. New York is not an easy place to kick weather wise.
JPC4Days":38qpwua3 said:there is not an all star big leg kicker ... in this years draft .. I have been looking because I wanted them to draft a young stud kicker with all the talent in the World.