Sgt. Largent":15sln3n7 said:Great news, now if we can just fire Chuck, Howard and find an owner that actually cares we'd be in business.
Sgt. Largent":kaajzj5y said:Great news, now if we can just fire Chuck, Howard and find an owner that actually cares we'd be in business.
Uncle Si":1cjl0ohh said:Sgt. Largent":1cjl0ohh said:Great news, now if we can just fire Chuck, Howard and find an owner that actually cares we'd be in business.
Owners have spent a lot of money to be fair to them.
Manager is next, don't we think?
This, sadly.Sgt. Largent":7ppiczzz said:Great news, now if we can just fire Chuck, Howard and find an owner that actually cares we'd be in business.
The problem, is that guys that are winning don't get fired. We don't have the cache of a Chicago Cubs. We're not going to woo a hugely successful manager from his current job. Our choices are to take an assistant from a winning club, take a fired manager that we believe would do a good job in a different situation than his old one, or take a chance on somebody that hasn't done it before.Hawk-Lock":7w2unrbo said:I would like to see the M's hire a GM or manager (assuming Lloyd goes as well) who can bring a winning culture. Similar to what Madden brought the Cubs this year, or what Buck Showalter brought to the Orioles. There is a culture of losing and disappointment that grows each year inside the M's organization and fanbase. The last thing we need is another small time hire like Lloyd. Hire someone who has won before, even if it means throwing some extra money at him.
The last thing we need is another Bavasi/JackZ/Lloyd/BobMelvin/Wedge/etc. Make a hire like what the Seahawks did in 2010 with Pete Carroll.
Tical21":25xik9cq said:The higher ups get a lot of blame, but it is pretty easy to see that 90% of this team's issues are on the field. They haven't been finding the right talent and/or grooming it. If they had just hit on like one or two of Montero/Smoak/Zunino/Ackley/Hultzen, this whole thing could look entirely different. Instead, each of them is basically a monumental type bust. When Kyle Seager is the only halfway decent offensive player your system has produced in over ten years, you've got major problems with your baseball people. I guess you can blame the people that hire these baseball people, and that's fair. I guess if we had better upper management, maybe they would've hired somebody better than Jack Z.
Sgt. Largent":li5d9pu0 said:Tical21":li5d9pu0 said:The higher ups get a lot of blame, but it is pretty easy to see that 90% of this team's issues are on the field. They haven't been finding the right talent and/or grooming it. If they had just hit on like one or two of Montero/Smoak/Zunino/Ackley/Hultzen, this whole thing could look entirely different. Instead, each of them is basically a monumental type bust. When Kyle Seager is the only halfway decent offensive player your system has produced in over ten years, you've got major problems with your baseball people. I guess you can blame the people that hire these baseball people, and that's fair. I guess if we had better upper management, maybe they would've hired somebody better than Jack Z.
I don't blame the Jack Z hiring, he was an up and coming scout type GM that was SUPPOSE to have an immense knowledge of how to build a successful farm system.........he just failed miserably at it.
I do blame our ownership for sticking with Jack 2-3 years longer than they should have. Once Jack's first wave of prospects started hitting the majors and sucking. Ackley, Franklin, Fields, Hultzen, and even Zunino has been a bust.
But this is what happens when you piece meal together an ownership group with too many cooks in the kitchen all getting in each other's way. Consensus is impossible, especially if they're having to clear everything through some foreign entity in the far east. Just dysfunctional all the way around.
Seattle is 59-69 and seven games out of the second American League wild-card spot. Mather said the reason for the mid-season firing was that he believes there will be a lot of changes in baseball operation departments around MLB. He said commissioner Rob Manfred told him Seattle is a "plumb market." Mather said he wants to get an early start and that it was critical that any potential GM could watch the team in September.
"It's tough when it's November and free agents are already signed, trades are already made," Mather said. "I want to hit the ground running. I'd like to get this position filled as quickly as possible so this offseason isn't lost.
"I think the Mariners have the nucleus of a very good baseball team and October baseball is, if not in (2015), then '16, '17 and beyond. And I can't afford to lose an offseason right now."
Mather said he talked to the chairman and other key owners about his decision on Wednesday and Thursday.
"I've learned along the way it's best not to surprise your ownership," he said.
Mather said he told Lloyd McClendon on Friday morning that the manager still has complete support from the organization, but that he and all staff members will report to the new general manager, who will ultimately make the decisions. Mather plans to address the team on Friday afternoon.
Mather said he views the Mariners' roster as "really close."
"This year is hard to explain because I thought we were close in March of this year," he said.
Mather said he has a list of potential candidates, which he plans to eventually narrow down to three or four. The next general manager won't necessarily be centrally focused on analytics or sabermetrics, Mather said, but he'll be able to use all of his resources. Mather added that the organization will be looking for someone who "understands all parts and is smart enough to delegate smart people to help him."
Mather said it's too soon to tell whether the team needs to consider a complete roster tear-down, a route that the Houston Astros took a few seasons ago. He hopes that's not the proposals by potential Mariners general managers, but understands it might be.
"Hear it from one person
Spleenhawk2.0":15h87zp6 said:Not at all surprised by the firing - but the timing seems rather odd.