RolandDeschain
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We should be vilifying the fans who think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, though.bevellisthedevil":2y4qn4w7 said:No way should he be inducted. I don't think he should be vilified either.
We should be vilifying the fans who think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, though.bevellisthedevil":2y4qn4w7 said:No way should he be inducted. I don't think he should be vilified either.
RolandDeschain":19711x0f said:We should be vilifying the fans who think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, though.bevellisthedevil":19711x0f said:No way should he be inducted. I don't think he should be vilified either.
keasley45":2onfw66i said:Being soft at the point of contact IS NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back. You dont have to be Campbell or Lynch. You can be cut from the Sanders, LT or Faulk cloth and juke the crap out of guy. (BTW, Lynch could do that too - Google Lynch jukes Ray Lewis - Classic). Shaun got the yards that were on the table when the blocking worked well. Not when it didnt.
keasley45":yckbmx9a said:IndyHawk":yckbmx9a said:SA had an MVP,27 tds,1880 rushing and got hosed in SB-Thats a HOF season too.sdog1981":yckbmx9a said:fenderbender123":yckbmx9a said:Davis also has 2 Super Bowl wins and 3 All Pros. And I don't think he deserved to be in it.
NFL MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 20 rushing TD season and a 2000 yard rushing season. He is a Hall of Fame player. He could have played for 15 more seasons rushing for 0 yards every year and still be a HOF running back, due to his 1996 to 1998 seasons.
Here look at his stats closely and tell me he shouldn't be in.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... exSh00.htm
He shouldn't be in. Its not all about the stats. he wasn't individually HOF great. He has HOF stats because he had a great O-Line opening gashes in defenses for him to chew up yards.
Vilifying should be on supposed Seahawks fans that actually hate the Seahawks legend and all time best RB they’ve had, he’s definitely future ROH. HOF or not was the question, not do you hate him or not? You all sound like jealous ex-girlfriends, maybe you can all get together and pay for a group therapy sessionRolandDeschain":1j6cp70b said:We should be vilifying the fans who think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, though.bevellisthedevil":1j6cp70b said:No way should he be inducted. I don't think he should be vilified either.
pittpnthrs":2w5jztxg said:keasley45":2w5jztxg said:IndyHawk":2w5jztxg said:SA had an MVP,27 tds,1880 rushing and got hosed in SB-Thats a HOF season too.sdog1981":2w5jztxg said:NFL MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 20 rushing TD season and a 2000 yard rushing season. He is a Hall of Fame player. He could have played for 15 more seasons rushing for 0 yards every year and still be a HOF running back, due to his 1996 to 1998 seasons.
Here look at his stats closely and tell me he shouldn't be in.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... exSh00.htm
He shouldn't be in. Its not all about the stats. he wasn't individually HOF great. He has HOF stats because he had a great O-Line opening gashes in defenses for him to chew up yards.
Emmitt Smith should have never made it either right?
keasley45":3dnmdwv4 said:pittpnthrs":3dnmdwv4 said:keasley45":3dnmdwv4 said:IndyHawk":3dnmdwv4 said:SA had an MVP,27 tds,1880 rushing and got hosed in SB-Thats a HOF season too.
Here look at his stats closely and tell me he shouldn't be in.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... exSh00.htm
He shouldn't be in. Its not all about the stats. he wasn't individually HOF great. He has HOF stats because he had a great O-Line opening gashes in defenses for him to chew up yards.
Emmitt Smith should have never made it either right?
Umm, Emmitt Smith couldn't be kept out. He broke the all time rushing record. At some point, when you play as long as he did, and for as many yards as he did, that's HOF worthy in itself. And Emmitt was a more talented runner than Shaun. He had speed, he had vision, and he wasnt afraid to take a hit. Making a case for him is easy.
pittpnthrs":1ttlb61h said:keasley45":1ttlb61h said:pittpnthrs":1ttlb61h said:keasley45":1ttlb61h said:He shouldn't be in. Its not all about the stats. he wasn't individually HOF great. He has HOF stats because he had a great O-Line opening gashes in defenses for him to chew up yards.
Emmitt Smith should have never made it either right?
Umm, Emmitt Smith couldn't be kept out. He broke the all time rushing record. At some point, when you play as long as he did, and for as many yards as he did, that's HOF worthy in itself. And Emmitt was a more talented runner than Shaun. He had speed, he had vision, and he wasnt afraid to take a hit. Making a case for him is easy.
More talented? Guess we'll agree to disagree.
Imagine what Alexander could have dome behind Smiths line.
pittpnthrs":10b7ygvu said:keasley45":10b7ygvu said:Being soft at the point of contact IS NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back. You dont have to be Campbell or Lynch. You can be cut from the Sanders, LT or Faulk cloth and juke the crap out of guy. (BTW, Lynch could do that too - Google Lynch jukes Ray Lewis - Classic). Shaun got the yards that were on the table when the blocking worked well. Not when it didnt.
You're contradicting yourself with this statement. You're saying being soft at the point of contact is NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back and then proceed to list 3 backs that were. You act like Alexander never juked a defender and just laid down when one appeared and thats nowhere near the truth. Its unreal the disrespect the guy receives around here. It reminds me of a guy on another forum that was saying how Carson was better than Lynch because he is always looking for contact. Its as if he forgot about Lynch totally somehow and thats how It seems with Alexander in this thread. When reading some replies in this thread, one would think that Alexander was nothing more than an average back. Its unreal how quickly some forget.
keasley45":3qnu25d3 said:pittpnthrs":3qnu25d3 said:keasley45":3qnu25d3 said:Being soft at the point of contact IS NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back. You dont have to be Campbell or Lynch. You can be cut from the Sanders, LT or Faulk cloth and juke the crap out of guy. (BTW, Lynch could do that too - Google Lynch jukes Ray Lewis - Classic). Shaun got the yards that were on the table when the blocking worked well. Not when it didnt.
You're contradicting yourself with this statement. You're saying being soft at the point of contact is NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back and then proceed to list 3 backs that were. You act like Alexander never juked a defender and just laid down when one appeared and thats nowhere near the truth. Its unreal the disrespect the guy receives around here. It reminds me of a guy on another forum that was saying how Carson was better than Lynch because he is always looking for contact. Its as if he forgot about Lynch totally somehow and thats how It seems with Alexander in this thread. When reading some replies in this thread, one would think that Alexander was nothing more than an average back. Its unreal how quickly some forget.
You're actually claiming the guys i mentioned above were soft??
Ok. No need to continue this further.
Shaun wont get in.
When he didnt have the continuity of the O-line and 2 HOF's, Toebeck, and a cast of underrated , and unheralded others opening holes for him, his YPC dropped from 5.1 in 2005 to 3.6 and 3.5 in 2006 and 2007. Yes, he had a few injuries but none that could account alone for the drastic decline in production. He sat out for the foot while it healed. Then he went on to Washington after being a free agent for 6 months. 6 months. Why? because every other team in the league knew then what some here know now. That he was a product of his O-line. And who signed him, but Jim Zorn. nd what happened there? behind another average o-line, he was ousted by Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts.
and what did JIM ZORN have to say about Alexander's 'want to' and effort? This is a quote directly from him when asked whether Shaun was unfairly cast:
Told of this theory, Zorn partly agreed but said: “Repeating that ’05 season would have been hard. And he just seemed to either not have the knack, or he seemed to take a view of, ‘Hey, listen, when the hole’s there, I’m going to run through, but if the hole’s not there, you might as well go and call the next play.’
“Shaun didn’t have a great work ethic in Seattle,” Zorn added. “He didn’t. He said he felt practice was for everybody else.”
How many other RB's in the HOF have such a damning thing said about them?? Sheeshh. Take off the glasses.
But I guess Jim Zorn hates him too like the other 31 teams in 2008 who didnt want to touch him and rest of us that see past the stats and can rightfully attriibute his success in good part to those who paved the way for him.
John63":2vo6ulvx said:keasley45":2vo6ulvx said:pittpnthrs":2vo6ulvx said:keasley45":2vo6ulvx said:Being soft at the point of contact IS NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back. You dont have to be Campbell or Lynch. You can be cut from the Sanders, LT or Faulk cloth and juke the crap out of guy. (BTW, Lynch could do that too - Google Lynch jukes Ray Lewis - Classic). Shaun got the yards that were on the table when the blocking worked well. Not when it didnt.
You're contradicting yourself with this statement. You're saying being soft at the point of contact is NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back and then proceed to list 3 backs that were. You act like Alexander never juked a defender and just laid down when one appeared and thats nowhere near the truth. Its unreal the disrespect the guy receives around here. It reminds me of a guy on another forum that was saying how Carson was better than Lynch because he is always looking for contact. Its as if he forgot about Lynch totally somehow and thats how It seems with Alexander in this thread. When reading some replies in this thread, one would think that Alexander was nothing more than an average back. Its unreal how quickly some forget.
You're actually claiming the guys i mentioned above were soft??
Ok. No need to continue this further.
Shaun wont get in.
When he didnt have the continuity of the O-line and 2 HOF's, Toebeck, and a cast of underrated , and unheralded others opening holes for him, his YPC dropped from 5.1 in 2005 to 3.6 and 3.5 in 2006 and 2007. Yes, he had a few injuries but none that could account alone for the drastic decline in production. He sat out for the foot while it healed. Then he went on to Washington after being a free agent for 6 months. 6 months. Why? because every other team in the league knew then what some here know now. That he was a product of his O-line. And who signed him, but Jim Zorn. nd what happened there? behind another average o-line, he was ousted by Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts.
and what did JIM ZORN have to say about Alexander's 'want to' and effort? This is a quote directly from him when asked whether Shaun was unfairly cast:
Told of this theory, Zorn partly agreed but said: “Repeating that ’05 season would have been hard. And he just seemed to either not have the knack, or he seemed to take a view of, ‘Hey, listen, when the hole’s there, I’m going to run through, but if the hole’s not there, you might as well go and call the next play.’
“Shaun didn’t have a great work ethic in Seattle,” Zorn added. “He didn’t. He said he felt practice was for everybody else.”
How many other RB's in the HOF have such a damning thing said about them?? Sheeshh. Take off the glasses.
But I guess Jim Zorn hates him too like the other 31 teams in 2008 who didnt want to touch him and rest of us that see past the stats and can rightfully attriibute his success in good part to those who paved the way for him.
Well actually several players that players with LT felt he did not run hard inside the 20s, and he ran out of bounds to much, So sorry if you look there are some who say bad things about every player. Also, there are others who spoke very highly of Lt and Alexander.
I mean of course you bring in a quote that backs you stance on him which again is personal and not based on stats.
"In a March Sports Illustrated article, Shaun Alexander’s former teammate, quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, said he believes Alexander is Hall-of-Fame material. “I sure do,” Hasselbeck said. “I’m not an expert on the numbers and I was never that big into stats. When we were teammates, he was one of the best running backs in the game, a household name, on the cover of Madden, breaking franchise and NFL records seemingly all the time.
“I do not know of a better red-zone runner,” Hasselbeck said. “There have been some great runners in NFL history that were Hall of Fame runners but weren’t great goal line running backs. I think Barry Sanders might be the greatest running back of all time. But on the goal line or inside the three-yard line was not his strength.”
Nate Burleson, another one of Alexander’s former teammates, believes Alexander is very underappreciated. “He’s a quiet individual who went out there and didn’t talk about how great he was,” Burleson said. “He’d rather do it on the field. And also I believe because it was a small window of time where he was the best running back in football.” "
amazing how there are other opinions as well and this form guys who actually player with him not an ex player
I don't know Roland,in watching that video I'm seeing"Poetry in motion"RolandDeschain":34dwen0d said:Alexander's stats would be drastically lower if he played behind the same O-Line Lynch did.
It's kind of annoying how some people think Shaun Alexander is a HoF back based on pure stats and nostalgic memories of his time in Seattle. More objectivity needs to be brought to this table...
If Shaun had played with Lynch's ferocity and willingness to run through b1tch3s every single down, he'd have like 40 more TDs and 6,000 more yards for his career stats, and THAT would absolutely be HoF-worthy - not just because of the stats, but because of the elite, sustained EFFORT. That EFFORT was only visible in the red zone from Shaun, and THAT is why he DOES NOT DESERVE to be in the Hall of Fame.
Emmit more talented?Ha ha Nooo!keasley45":1r30ki9s said:pittpnthrs":1r30ki9s said:keasley45":1r30ki9s said:pittpnthrs":1r30ki9s said:Emmitt Smith should have never made it either right?
Umm, Emmitt Smith couldn't be kept out. He broke the all time rushing record. At some point, when you play as long as he did, and for as many yards as he did, that's HOF worthy in itself. And Emmitt was a more talented runner than Shaun. He had speed, he had vision, and he wasnt afraid to take a hit. Making a case for him is easy.
More talented? Guess we'll agree to disagree.
Imagine what Alexander could have dome behind Smiths line.
For sure
John63":gzuexoax said:keasley45":gzuexoax said:pittpnthrs":gzuexoax said:keasley45":gzuexoax said:Being soft at the point of contact IS NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back. You dont have to be Campbell or Lynch. You can be cut from the Sanders, LT or Faulk cloth and juke the crap out of guy. (BTW, Lynch could do that too - Google Lynch jukes Ray Lewis - Classic). Shaun got the yards that were on the table when the blocking worked well. Not when it didnt.
You're contradicting yourself with this statement. You're saying being soft at the point of contact is NOT a defining characteristic of a HOF back and then proceed to list 3 backs that were. You act like Alexander never juked a defender and just laid down when one appeared and thats nowhere near the truth. Its unreal the disrespect the guy receives around here. It reminds me of a guy on another forum that was saying how Carson was better than Lynch because he is always looking for contact. Its as if he forgot about Lynch totally somehow and thats how It seems with Alexander in this thread. When reading some replies in this thread, one would think that Alexander was nothing more than an average back. Its unreal how quickly some forget.
You're actually claiming the guys i mentioned above were soft??
Ok. No need to continue this further.
Shaun wont get in.
When he didnt have the continuity of the O-line and 2 HOF's, Toebeck, and a cast of underrated , and unheralded others opening holes for him, his YPC dropped from 5.1 in 2005 to 3.6 and 3.5 in 2006 and 2007. Yes, he had a few injuries but none that could account alone for the drastic decline in production. He sat out for the foot while it healed. Then he went on to Washington after being a free agent for 6 months. 6 months. Why? because every other team in the league knew then what some here know now. That he was a product of his O-line. And who signed him, but Jim Zorn. nd what happened there? behind another average o-line, he was ousted by Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts.
and what did JIM ZORN have to say about Alexander's 'want to' and effort? This is a quote directly from him when asked whether Shaun was unfairly cast:
Told of this theory, Zorn partly agreed but said: “Repeating that ’05 season would have been hard. And he just seemed to either not have the knack, or he seemed to take a view of, ‘Hey, listen, when the hole’s there, I’m going to run through, but if the hole’s not there, you might as well go and call the next play.’
“Shaun didn’t have a great work ethic in Seattle,” Zorn added. “He didn’t. He said he felt practice was for everybody else.”
How many other RB's in the HOF have such a damning thing said about them?? Sheeshh. Take off the glasses.
But I guess Jim Zorn hates him too like the other 31 teams in 2008 who didnt want to touch him and rest of us that see past the stats and can rightfully attriibute his success in good part to those who paved the way for him.
Well actually several players that players with LT felt he did not run hard inside the 20s, and he ran out of bounds to much, So sorry if you look there are some who say bad things about every player. Also, there are others who spoke very highly of Lt and Alexander.
I mean of course you bring in a quote that backs you stance on him which again is personal and not based on stats.
"In a March Sports Illustrated article, Shaun Alexander’s former teammate, quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, said he believes Alexander is Hall-of-Fame material. “I sure do,” Hasselbeck said. “I’m not an expert on the numbers and I was never that big into stats. When we were teammates, he was one of the best running backs in the game, a household name, on the cover of Madden, breaking franchise and NFL records seemingly all the time.
“I do not know of a better red-zone runner,” Hasselbeck said. “There have been some great runners in NFL history that were Hall of Fame runners but weren’t great goal line running backs. I think Barry Sanders might be the greatest running back of all time. But on the goal line or inside the three-yard line was not his strength.”
Nate Burleson, another one of Alexander’s former teammates, believes Alexander is very underappreciated. “He’s a quiet individual who went out there and didn’t talk about how great he was,” Burleson said. “He’d rather do it on the field. And also I believe because it was a small window of time where he was the best running back in football.” "
amazing how there are other opinions as well and this form guys who actually player with him not an ex player