Any Harvin Updates?

[Hawks46]

Potential bad news fella's. Last night John Clayton http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... rd%20Facts
said that Harvin's concussion testing didn't start until yesterday (Tuesday). He said normally this initial test is done the day after the game which would usually fall on Monday. Hawks game being on Saturday these test should have been performed on Sunday by team doctors. These test not being performed until 2 complete days after game day is a bad sign in Clayton's opinion. I don't buy Carroll's conservative approach for the Hawks offensive woe's these past 5 weeks. Without Harvin this offense is in trouble. Its no wonder that all the National media is focusing on the decline of RW and this Offense.

I don't see how it's potentially bad news, or how it makes a difference at all, really.

If you test a guy right after a concussion, the chances are his symptoms will be worse. 3 days later, they'd typically be better.

jkitsune could probably shed some light on this, but I'm assuming they take a test, get a baseline (unless they already have one on a guy when healthy, which I've also read), take another test and check for improvement. So, there might be less improvement but both tests could be closer to the baseline anyways which could lead to the conclusion that it's a milder concussion to start with.

It's all baseless speculation until someone actually knows something, which neither Kirwan or Clayton do. THere's no facts at all, it's all assumption and speculation.

I"m not a doctor, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night !

 

[SeaTown81]

Potential bad news fella's. Last night John Clayton http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... rd%20Facts
said that Harvin's concussion testing didn't start until yesterday (Tuesday). He said normally this initial test is done the day after the game which would usually fall on Monday. Hawks game being on Saturday these test should have been performed on Sunday by team doctors. These test not being performed until 2 complete days after game day is a bad sign in Clayton's opinion. I don't buy Carroll's conservative approach for the Hawks offensive woe's these past 5 weeks. Without Harvin this offense is in trouble. Its no wonder that all the National media is focusing on the decline of RW and this Offense.

This is what I was referring to yesterday when I was talking about Harvin not doing the tests as soon as normal. I didn't hear anything from Clayton. But a guy I know said the exact same thing Clayton did. Not sure what his source was.

And I don't know what to take from it. Maybe they're waiting to get him better so he can pass it. Maybe it's a bad sign that he needs to take the time and that he most likely won't be ready. Guessing we won't know for a couple more days.

 

[kidhawk]

Potential bad news fella's. Last night John Clayton http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... rd%20Facts
said that Harvin's concussion testing didn't start until yesterday (Tuesday). He said normally this initial test is done the day after the game which would usually fall on Monday. Hawks game being on Saturday these test should have been performed on Sunday by team doctors. These test not being performed until 2 complete days after game day is a bad sign in Clayton's opinion. I don't buy Carroll's conservative approach for the Hawks offensive woe's these past 5 weeks. Without Harvin this offense is in trouble. Its no wonder that all the National media is focusing on the decline of RW and this Offense.

This is what I was referring to yesterday when I was talking about Harvin not doing the tests as soon as normal. I didn't hear anything from Clayton. But a guy I know said the exact same thing Clayton did. Not sure what his source was.

And I don't know what to take from it. Maybe they're waiting to get him better so he can pass it. Maybe it's a bad sign that he needs to take the time and that he most likely won't be ready. Guessing we won't know for a couple more days.

Pete had said right after the game that he was giving everyone Sunday off, and honestly it doesn't really change anything. There is a protocol he must go through. Waiting an extra day won't change whether he clears the protocols or not. He either makes it through in time to play or he doesn't. When they start testing doesn't change when he recovers

 

[HunnyBadger]

Potential bad news fella's. Last night John Clayton http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... rd%20Facts
said that Harvin's concussion testing didn't start until yesterday (Tuesday). He said normally this initial test is done the day after the game which would usually fall on Monday. Hawks game being on Saturday these test should have been performed on Sunday by team doctors. These test not being performed until 2 complete days after game day is a bad sign in Clayton's opinion. I don't buy Carroll's conservative approach for the Hawks offensive woe's these past 5 weeks. Without Harvin this offense is in trouble. Its no wonder that all the National media is focusing on the decline of RW and this Offense.

I don't see how it's potentially bad news, or how it makes a difference at all, really.

If you test a guy right after a concussion, the chances are his symptoms will be worse. 3 days later, they'd typically be better.

jkitsune could probably shed some light on this, but I'm assuming they take a test, get a baseline (unless they already have one on a guy when healthy, which I've also read), take another test and check for improvement. So, there might be less improvement but both tests could be closer to the baseline anyways which could lead to the conclusion that it's a milder concussion to start with.

It's all baseless speculation until someone actually knows something, which neither Kirwan or Clayton do. THere's no facts at all, it's all assumption and speculation.

I"m not a doctor, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night !

Logic would say it would help him pass the test. Problem is, if it delays his clearance, then he has less time to practice...then again, Seahawks might have just limited his practice anyways.

 

[amill87]

As I recall they tested him on Saturday, then an outside physician tested him Sunday and he has to not have strenuous activity like practicing for 2-3 days. They then normally test again on thursday and if he's ok he is allowed to practice friday and play over the weekend.

That's the way I understand it. But with my old brain that might not be totally correct.

:les:

So he was tested Saturday and Sunday?

Any chance at that part in the game they were just taking precautionary steps? With a 16-0 league and the weather the way it was do you think Pete didn't want to risk it?

Probably reaching but they have been treating him like a valuable antique so it wouldn't surprise me.

I believe he plays.

Saturday Night: Source's claim he was in high spirits celebrating with his teammates. Typically a bad concussion would bring Nausea. I believe he just got his bell wrung and the Hawks were following league protocol.

Sunday: Source's claim "felt better on Sunday"

Monday: Nbc reported "Per a league source, Harvin engaged in baseline testing on Monday." Which is the first step to getting back on the practice field.

I believe the key factor here is the extra day of recovery on Sunday. Typically these things go through until Friday after a Sunday game with Friday being the final approval to return from a Doctor. I believe because of this extra day of rest and the game being on Sunday I expect to see Harvin practicing by Thursday.

So he was tested Monday?

Potential bad news fella's. Last night John Clayton http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... rd%20Facts
said that Harvin's concussion testing didn't start until yesterday (Tuesday). He said normally this initial test is done the day after the game which would usually fall on Monday. Hawks game being on Saturday these test should have been performed on Sunday by team doctors. These test not being performed until 2 complete days after game day is a bad sign in Clayton's opinion. I don't buy Carroll's conservative approach for the Hawks offensive woe's these past 5 weeks. Without Harvin this offense is in trouble. Its no wonder that all the National media is focusing on the decline of RW and this Offense.

So he was tested Tuesday?

Man, Harvin has been doing a lot of tests since Saturday...

 

[IBleedBlueAndGreen]

The final tests can be performed on Friday or Saturday no matter if the initial tests were started yesterday or Sunday. What matters is passing the final tests. This is not a doom and gloom sign. Pete said all along that we won't know much about his possible availability until Wednesday, so it's very likely that they planned all along to do his initial tests yesterday.

His head injury wouldn't have responded (healed) any differently in the long term if they had given him that initial exam two days earlier. It's going to respond the way it's going to respond.

 

[lukerguy]

Look at Keenan Lewis for example.
He played on Saturday versus Philly. Was concussed in the game and removed for the 4th quarter.
The first update that was given was that he had practised on Wednesday (for a Saturday game no less), but not cleared. Then on Thursday he was cleared by an independent physician.

This Clayton thing is a non-story.

 

[Marlin Man]

Harvin would be nice but with or without him- Damn Bevel has to let RW RUN the damn ball- last week he had 15-20 (Yes that many) times he faked the roll out run option and NO ONE was on him- the other team KNOWS what Bevel is calling

Bevel MUST go

 

[RussellMania]

After all we know about concussions I hope they do what's best for his health. An NFC Championship isn't worth ruining his brain for the rest of his life. Besides, if losing one player makes you lose (other than QB) you really shouldn't be in the Super Bowl anyways.

 

[Pie Romania]

Harvin would be nice but with or without him- Damn Bevel has to let RW RUN the damn ball- last week he had 15-20 (Yes that many) times he faked the roll out run option and NO ONE was on him- the other team KNOWS what Bevel is calling

Bevel MUST go

Wilson not running isn't an issue with Bevell IMO, unless it's a designed run. IMO, it seems Wilson is trying to prove he's a passer first rather than a scrambler. Numerous time this year Wilson has had green grass in front of him and instead of taking what the defense is giving he, he chooses to jog parallel with the LOS looking to find a receiver get open down field. A good example of this is the play against the Saints where Cameron Jordan caught up to Wilson forcing him out of bounds at the LOS to stop the clock when we needed to burn time. Wilson not taking those free yards actually hurts us a lot. I mean, I'm not wanting him to run on every play, but if he buys time with his legs and there is green grass for him to pick up a first down, he needs to not be so indecisive, make up his mind quickly and either pass the ball or run for some yards. Defenses seem to be given him more of a shot to run lately in order to cover the receivers down field more effectively. He starts running again to keep the chains moving, I think he'll have an easier time finding receivers open down field due to the defense choosing to guard against Wilson running.

Bottom Line: If they're giving him an opportunity to gain significant yards, Wilson needs to take it. It moves the chains, it'll free up the passing game a bit more IMO and will help give our defense a break/catch their breath instead of this 3 & Out crap we've been seeing much more of lately.

 

[Beer Hawk]

Not practicing with the team wednesday, will see the doctors this afternoon (per Pete's presser). Lame...

 

[BamKam]

Not practicing with the team wednesday, will see the doctors this afternoon (per Pete's presser). Lame...

I am pretty sure this is normal procedure for NFL concussion protocol.

 

[Hawkfish]

Not practicing with the team wednesday, will see the doctors this afternoon (per Pete's presser). Lame...

Team or independent doc to get cleared?

 

[Polaris]

Not practicing with the team wednesday, will see the doctors this afternoon (per Pete's presser). Lame...

I am pretty sure this is normal procedure for NFL concussion protocol.

It is. We won't know much of anything until tomorrow or maybe late today.

 

[Polaris]

Not practicing with the team wednesday, will see the doctors this afternoon (per Pete's presser). Lame...

Team or independent doc to get cleared?

I believe (as in I could be wrong) that the Team doc gives the initial clearance (to practice) and an Indy Doc gives the final clearance.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Not practicing with the team wednesday, will see the doctors this afternoon (per Pete's presser). Lame...

Usually clearance for practice doesn't happen until Friday

 

[Missing_Clink]

For reference sake, as has been discussed, Keenan Lewis played against the Hawks last week after suffering a concussion in a game the previous Saturday against the Eagles. I looked, and here is what he did on Wednesday of last week after a concussion in a Saturday game:

Keenan Lewis (concussion) practiced in full Wednesday.
Lewis, the Saints' No. 1 corner, was smothering DeSean Jackson in man-to-man coverage on Saturday night before his injury. His return to practice so quickly is big as New Orleans tries to spring the road upset as an eight-point underdog.
Source: ESPN.com Jan 9 - 8:55 AM

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/5336/keenan-lewis

In contrast, Percy is not practicing at all with the team on a Wednesday practice after a Saturday concussion. Not a great sign, but also not a guarantee he will be out either.

It is also worth noting that Keenan Lewis was back on the sideline after the concussion in the Eagles game, and was fighting with his coaches to be let back in the game. He looked fine. The last time we saw Harvin, he was walking off the field and looked dazed as hell. I'm no expert, but it looked like his concussion was worse than Lewis'.

 

[Basis4day]

For reference sake, as has been discussed, Keenan Lewis played against the Hawks last week after suffering a concussion in a game the previous Saturday against the Eagles. I looked, and here is what he did on Wednesday of last week after a concussion in a Saturday game:

Keenan Lewis (concussion) practiced in full Wednesday.
Lewis, the Saints' No. 1 corner, was smothering DeSean Jackson in man-to-man coverage on Saturday night before his injury. His return to practice so quickly is big as New Orleans tries to spring the road upset as an eight-point underdog.
Source: ESPN.com Jan 9 - 8:55 AM

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/5336/keenan-lewis

In contrast, Percy is not practicing at all with the team on a Wednesday practice after a Saturday concussion. Not a great sign, but also not a guarantee he will be out either.

It is also worth noting that Keenan Lewis was back on the sideline after the concussion in the Eagles game, and was fighting with his coaches to be let back in the game. He looked fine. The last time we saw Harvin, he was walking off the field and looked dazed as hell. I'm no expert, but it looked like his concussion was worse than Lewis'.

Which is specifically against the league's concussion protocol.

 

[Polaris]

For reference sake, as has been discussed, Keenan Lewis played against the Hawks last week after suffering a concussion in a game the previous Saturday against the Eagles. I looked, and here is what he did on Wednesday of last week after a concussion in a Saturday game:

Keenan Lewis (concussion) practiced in full Wednesday.
Lewis, the Saints' No. 1 corner, was smothering DeSean Jackson in man-to-man coverage on Saturday night before his injury. His return to practice so quickly is big as New Orleans tries to spring the road upset as an eight-point underdog.
Source: ESPN.com Jan 9 - 8:55 AM

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/5336/keenan-lewis

In contrast, Percy is not practicing at all with the team on a Wednesday practice after a Saturday concussion. Not a great sign, but also not a guarantee he will be out either.

It is also worth noting that Keenan Lewis was back on the sideline after the concussion in the Eagles game, and was fighting with his coaches to be let back in the game. He looked fine. The last time we saw Harvin, he was walking off the field and looked dazed as hell. I'm no expert, but it looked like his concussion was worse than Lewis'.

Which is specifically against the league's concussion protocol.

Yep, and the league specifically called out the Saints for violating it. I don't know what the punishment for that was, but I wouldn't be suprised if the Saints had to make a donation to NFL charities.

 

[Hawken-Dazs]

Not practicing with the team wednesday, will see the doctors this afternoon (per Pete's presser). Lame...

It's still early. Don't worry yet.