Russ and QB Sneaks

[rcaido]

Sorry game managers are not number 1 in redzone rating. He is also #1 in redzone TD's

 

[Palmegranite]

The only thing I see is Denver runs the ball while Me3 just has to dink n dunk it..It's Peteball before me's head exploded into cooking.....You don't need a $30-60 million per QB to do it either. Just make it easy and simple.

Well he did throw another one of those statistically improbable TDs, hovering inches beyond the endzone out-of-bounds line to a receiver called "Trautman."

 

[Ozzy]

Russ is having a great year and the people claiming Geno was top and Russ was bottom 10 as little as two weeks ago are strangely silent. He’s playing good and they’re starting to win.

I think Pete hates the sneak because we haven’t done it with any of our oc’s, it’s also not that dependent on dominant offensive lines like someone pointed out above. I think some coaches just have a hard time switching beliefs they’ve held for a long time. It’s also proven that spread out sets are more successful than bunched sets on short yardage yet teams continue to use tight formations because they have a hard time switching.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Laughing out loud to all the geniuses on this site that said Russ sucked, can't read defenses, can't run anymore, oh and my favorite, he's washed up. Same geniuses who now say Geno sucks and is washed up.

Clearly the system they were and are in sucks along with its head coach and OCs. Not to mention the garbage OLines they had/have to play behind. But ya it's the QBs.

Told ya, seahawks let the wrong person walk. ...

Russell Wilson isn't that good. Sean Payton is running an extremely simple, paired back offense, because that is the only type of offense that Wilson can run reliably. To Russ's credit, he knows how to limit turnovers and take that a back seat role. I'd say he's more of a complimentary piece to what the Broncos do rather than field general.

It's also worth mentioning that Sean Payton is a far sharper offensive mind than Waldron and Hackett. He knows how to game plan around Wilson's weaknesses. The Broncos offense reminds me of the 2018 offense that Schottenheimer was running.

 

[Ozzy]

Russell Wilson isn't that good. Sean Payton is running an extremely simple, paired back offense, because that is the only type of offense that Wilson can run reliably. To Russ's credit, he knows how to limit turnovers and take that a back seat role. I'd say he's more of a complimentary piece to what the Broncos do rather than field general.

It's also worth mentioning that Sean Payton is a far sharper offensive mind than Waldron and Hackett. He knows how to game plan around Wilson's weaknesses. The Broncos offense reminds me of the 2018 offense that Schottenheimer was running.

I still think Russ is good, you can’t fake your way to 18 red zone touchdowns already and the highest rated guy in the league down there, have a 22-4 ratio, 100+ passer rating and suck especially on a team that isn’t loaded with talent on offense. He’s still better than people give him credit for and he’s doing what everyone here claimed he was too egotistical to do.

 

[bmorepunk]

Russell passed for 134 yards today, I don't know about you, but I'm glad Seattle's not the one paying him 49 million a year for stats like that.

Actual cash probably matters little to Greg Penner.

His cap hit last year was $17 million and this year is $22 million. It's nowhere near $49 million. That's because his five years off his extension doesn't kick in until next season.

He's about a $35 million cap hit next year, with $85 million in dead cap. They can cut him loose and split that dead cap over the two following seasons. Or they can have him play on the $35 million hit, then cut him the next year for a $31 million dead cap number which they can split over two years. I don't see how he survives after next year given that his cap hits go up to $53 million to $58 million. He'll most likely get cut or restructure.

They gave up way too much for him, and extending him with two years left on his contract without a game played was risky. Next year could be painful but after that they have a pretty clear out. The Browns, on the other hand, are really screwed. Watson's cap hits are $64 million the next three seasons and if they cut him this offseason they'd have a $200 million cap hit. It's like they looked at the Wilson trade and said "how can we do it worse?".

 

[12AngryHawks]

Actual cash probably matters little to Greg Penner.

His cap hit last year was $17 million and this year is $22 million. It's nowhere near $49 million. That's because his five years off his extension doesn't kick in until next season.

He's about a $35 million cap hit next year, with $85 million in dead cap. They can cut him loose and split that dead cap over the two following seasons. Or they can have him play on the $35 million hit, then cut him the next year for a $31 million dead cap number which they can split over two years. I don't see how he survives after next year given that his cap hits go up to $53 million to $58 million. He'll most likely get cut or restructure.

They gave up way too much for him, and extending him with two years left on his contract without a game played was risky. Next year could be painful but after that they have a pretty clear out. The Browns, on the other hand, are really screwed. Watson's cap hits are $64 million the next three seasons and if they cut him this offseason they'd have a $200 million cap hit. It's like they looked at the Wilson trade and said "how can we do it worse?".

Money isn't the only reason I wasn't bummed at the Russ trade, there's also the fact that they were able to get something for him vs letting his deal play out and him going on the market. Without that trade their last 2 drafts would've looked very different.

 

[hawker84]

Maybe you had trouble reading my post. He needed to go because he was focussed on being more of a celebrity than an actual football player. It wasnt just about getting fat. As far as Pete goes, I wanted him gone as well before the trade even happened. However, Russell is basically winning playing pete ball. Russell is making the plays he uaed to make during the superbowl run because he lost weight and looks to be more focussed on football. Also, the broncos defense and run game is playing much better than Seattle. I bet Peyton could make Geno look better than Russell if the QBs were switched.

Maybe you didn't understand my post. Pete allowed all that crap to happen, peyton did not. Peyton coaches his teams the right way, carroll coaches his team like a frat house.

 

[hawker84]

Russell passed for 134 yards today, I don't know about you, but I'm glad Seattle's not the one paying him 49 million a year for stats like that.

Broncos have won 5 in a row. Nuff said.

 

[hawker84]

He's been taking what the D gives and not really sandlotting
like he did here.
He did fumble a run trying to take more than he needed btw.

He fumbled trying to pick up a first, alert the presses. Let's crucify the man for giving it extra effort. By the way,
did that cost them the game?

All good Qbs take what the defense gives them. Weird comment.

y'all really trying to defend your ignorant takes on the man, even
though he's feeding you a healthy plate of crow every week. Hilarious.

 

[strohmin]

Maybe you didn't understand my post. Pete allowed all that crap to happen, peyton did not. Peyton coaches his teams the right way, carroll coaches his team like a frat house.

Yeah and you think that if we just got rid of Pete, Payton was just automatically going to come to Seattle and fix everything and turn this back into a superbowl team? The Seahwks needed to let Russ go and I felt like Pete should havr been gone as well.

 

[hawker84]

Russell Wilson isn't that good. Sean Payton is running an extremely simple, paired back offense, because that is the only type of offense that Wilson can run reliably. To Russ's credit, he knows how to limit turnovers and take that a back seat role. I'd say he's more of a complimentary piece to what the Broncos do rather than field general.

It's also worth mentioning that Sean Payton is a far sharper offensive mind than Waldron and Hackett. He knows how to game plan around Wilson's weaknesses. The Broncos offense reminds me of the 2018 offense that Schottenheimer was running.

Ok coach.

 

[hawker84]

Yeah and you think that if we just got rid of Pete, Payton was just automatically going to come to Seattle and fix everything and turn this back into a superbowl team? The Seahwks needed to let Russ go and I felt like Pete should havr been gone as well.

No I didn't think that at all.

 

[strohmin]

No I didn't think that at all.

Then I am really curios what you think would have happened if we got rid of Pete and kept Russell? What coach do you think could have come and produced the results the broncos are putting out in the last 5 games.

 

[OrangeGravy]

He fumbled trying to pick up a first, alert the presses. Let's crucify the man for giving it extra effort. By the way,
did that cost them the game?

All good Qbs take what the defense gives them. Weird comment.

y'all really trying to defend your ignorant takes on the man, even
though he's feeding you a healthy plate of crow every week. Hilarious.

You're trying way too hard.

 

[OrangeGravy]

He fumbled trying to pick up a first, alert the presses. Let's crucify the man for giving it extra effort. By the way,
did that cost them the game?

All good Qbs take what the defense gives them. Weird comment.

y'all really trying to defend your ignorant takes on the man, even
though he's feeding you a healthy plate of crow every week. Hilarious.

You're trying way too hard

 

[Cyrus12]

I'm really starting to regret that trade...its wasn't Russ it was everyone else. I see that now. Payton's recipe book really has him cooking. Obviously if Russ gets called to the hof he's going in as a Bronco. Sad day...

 

[olyfan63]

Russell is having a really good run, doing the things he does best. Payton has figured out how to run his version of "The Russell Wilson Offense".
Russell has made the decision to buckle down and do things Payton's way. He got humiliated trying to do it his way, the LRC way, but he's bought in.

One of Russell's huge strengths has always been not turning the ball over. He's doing very well on that, only 4 picks for the season.

Denver as a team is +8 in turnover margin. I bet most of that +8 occurred during their current 5-game win streak. (anyone got the numbers to check that?) The Denver defense has been stepping up, and getting some key picks and fumble recoveries each game. Kudos to Denver; they are winning with essentially Peteball, not beating themselves and getting some big plays and running the ball well.

I've also noticed Russell has developed a great rapport with Cortland Sutton, and to an extent, Jerry Jeudy. His scramble-drill guys now know what to expect from Russell. He especially seems to be willing to throw jump balls to Sutton, who usually comes down with them. If only DK could do so well for us...

Russell looks like he CARES again when he's out on the field. He looks focused and determined. The TEAM now acts like they believe in him. I'm going to guess that's because Russell has humbled himself and gone to work on his football, and largely put his "media personality" stuff on HOLD.

Kudos to Russell, Coach Payton, and all the Denver players and organization for turning this thing around. I'm happy for Russell; we got our top 5 picks, so I have no real reason to root against him anymore.

 

[olyfan63]

I'm really starting to regret that trade...its wasn't Russ it was everyone else. I see that now. Payton's recipe book really has him cooking. Obviously if Russ gets called to the hof he's going in as a Bronco. Sad day...

It's a 5-game win streak. Try not to overreact. In a few weeks it could easily be a 3 game losing streak, with a couple bad bounces. That said, I do think the Broncos will be playing for a playoff spot in Week 17, and overall will wind up with a winning record.

 

[bmorepunk]

I'm really starting to regret that trade...its wasn't Russ it was everyone else. I see that now. Payton's recipe book really has him cooking. Obviously if Russ gets called to the hof he's going in as a Bronco. Sad day...

It sucks he left, but we don't know how things would have gone with him still in Seattle. We don't know how things are going to go for the Broncos the rest of the season; the main reason they're winning is because their defense clicked and they've gotten a ton of turnovers (15?) the past four weeks.

It sounded rough behind the scenes in Seattle and his contract extension was super expensive.

The Seahawks got great draft picks for him. He's gone. Thinking about what might have been at this point is no different than thinking about players your team didn't draft instead of the ones they did.