31-13. It actually wasn't that close.

[Fade]

The Offensive Coordinator position with the Seattle Seahawks is just a puppet position with no real authority. They are just Pete's mouthpiece, nothing more. It's just like how Goodell isn't the one actually responsible for anything of import in the NFL, he's just a mouthpiece for the owners...but tons of fans think Goodell is a "huge problem" for the NFL, and similarly, a lot of people think our offensive coordinator is the one to blame for our consistently dull offenses.

You'd figure after blaming three of them, and their Fanchise QB for the issues, they'd figure it out.

 

[Xxx]

There were multiple plays where Geno took a sack with guys open. It’s easy to blame them but we had plays in front of us and just didn’t execute.

It was everything. you could tell that when geno should have thrown it that guys were still in their routes, it’s not that they weren’t open, either geno completely ignored the underneath routes that were there to beat the blitz or there were no underneath routes. Again, it was both. I watched Tyler sitting wide open 4 yards deep while geno looked deep and got sacked before the deep routes came free. But I also saw everyone including Noah fant running slow long routes while geno got sacked. There was no attempt to establish the ground game, Tyler didn’t get a catch till the end of the game, geno friggin tripped over his own guy, meyers missed the same kick as last week, we scored 6 real points, they forgot how to use tight ends, I mean if they don’t erase everything and start over I don’t know what they’re doing.

Then the defense… I mean I watched four guys running to their zone while the 49ers ran the other way, they were wide open cause of those zones all day. Christian mcCafree was having batting practice. They set us up like bowling pins and knocked us down with play action.

It’s was so bad. Worse the Baltimore. Worst game I can remember

 

[Xxx]

Now this is the second QB that does that in this offense? Could it be that the QBs are discouraged to throw in the middle?
I mean, if you never throw in the middle and the reins are pulled in as soon as a couple of interceptions happen, how are you gonna learn from you mistakes. You do not learn much by playing it safe EVERY SINGLE DAMNED TIME!!

That’s what they need to do and won’t. Throw over the middle short

 

[Xxx]

That's the joke. Y'know, what makes it funny.

Nah, the teams the joke

 

[James in PA]

Remember the good old days when you could count on one hand how many times the Seahawks were beaten by more than one score?

 

[Ozzy]

It was everything. you could tell that when geno should have thrown it that guys were still in their routes, it’s not that they weren’t open, either geno completely ignored the underneath routes that were there to beat the blitz or there were no underneath routes. Again, it was both. I watched Tyler sitting wide open 4 yards deep while geno looked deep and got sacked before the deep routes came free. But I also saw everyone including Noah fant running slow long routes while geno got sacked. There was no attempt to establish the ground game, Tyler didn’t get a catch till the end of the game, geno friggin tripped over his own guy, meyers missed the same kick as last week, we scored 6 real points, they forgot how to use tight ends, I mean if they don’t erase everything and start over I don’t know what they’re doing.

Then the defense… I mean I watched four guys running to their zone while the 49ers ran the other way, they were wide open cause of those zones all day. Christian mcCafree was having batting practice. They set us up like bowling pins and knocked us down with play action.

It’s was so bad. Worse the Baltimore. Worst game I can remember

Good post. There is a lot of blame to go around

 

[Xxx]

2021: Pete “this team reminds me of 2013”
2022: Pete “this team reminds me of 2013”
2023: Pete “this team reminds me of 2013”
Every year since 2013: Pete “this team reminds me of 2013”

 

[Fade]

The zone defense to open the game angered me the most.

Did Pete not look at the scouting report?

Purdy struggles against man.

 

[Ozzy]

The zone defense to open the game angered me the most.

Did Pete not look at the scouting report?

Purdy struggles against man.

The game is passing Pete by.

 

[Maelstrom787]

The Offensive Coordinator position with the Seattle Seahawks is just a puppet position with no real authority. They are just Pete's mouthpiece, nothing more.

This just straight up isn't true. We can't be convincing ourselves into thinking the offensive playcaller has no authority over how the offense is run.

The argument that the culpability lies on Pete regardless as the head executive of the organization? Totally get it, can't argue with it. Game passing Pete by? Fair!

But to say the OC has no power?

...How?

 

[Maelstrom787]

It's like saying Cable had no power over the OL during his tenure

 

[morgulon1]

I'm not willing to include Jody in this. As much as you want her to be a tool for upheaval, it makes no goddamn sense for an elderly woman who inherited the team to look at anything other than Seattle being a stable and generally win-heavy franchise over the past decade in terms of staff retention decisions.

Is she probably a bad person? Yeah, she smuggles endangered animal skeletons out of safaris for sport. She's a rich psychopath like most owners. But it's a good precedent that she isn't usurping the football operations of the team on a whim. Let's stay on planet Earth.

Pete needs to make 2017-style changes to right this ship, and goddamn quickly. That's TWICE we've been embarrassed this year, just taken behind the shed and dominated. And once by our biggest rival, probably yet again the week after next.

Geno's done. I'll always be a fan of him, his story, and his style of play when he's on. But it's time to look to the future, and I'm sure they know that. Draft pick or Cousins.

Yeah but Geno Smith said " I ain't write back doh" . That was so cool.

 

[RolandDeschain]

This just straight up isn't true. We can't be convincing ourselves into thinking the offensive playcaller has no authority over how the offense is run.

The argument that the culpability lies on Pete regardless as the head executive of the organization? Totally get it, can't argue with it. Game passing Pete by? Fair!

But to say the OC has no power?

...How?

I have eyes and I try not to delude myself, that's how. Give it a shot. Do you not see how remarkably similar our offensive woes are through three coordinators and two different QBs? Calling plays when forced to live with simple schemes to achieve one very basic goal that is no longer a tenet in the modern NFL does not equate to authority, dude.

 

[Ozzy]

This just straight up isn't true. We can't be convincing ourselves into thinking the offensive playcaller has no authority over how the offense is run.

The argument that the culpability lies on Pete regardless as the head executive of the organization? Totally get it, can't argue with it. Game passing Pete by? Fair!

But to say the OC has no power?

...How?

But here is the argument people are essentially doing. They claim Waldron is only calling bombs and never scheming shorter stuff. So if that’s true is Pete a complete moron for letting Waldron do that for 12 straight weeks and watching play after play of it and just standing there chewing his gum? He obviously wouldn’t do that because it would be criminal to call offense that way. Isn’t it more likely Waldron is probably at least trying to do what Pete wants the majority of the time? What is more probable?

While I think you’re right that Pete isn’t calling the plays it’s unlikely Waldron is running an offense that is the opposite of what Pete wants week after week.

 

[Xxx]

This just straight up isn't true. We can't be convincing ourselves into thinking the offensive playcaller has no authority over how the offense is run.

The argument that the culpability lies on Pete regardless as the head executive of the organization? Totally get it, can't argue with it. Game passing Pete by? Fair!

But to say the OC has no power?

...How?

Right, that 4 and inches play? That came from Waldron. Pete wouldn’t overthink that much…

 

[Maelstrom787]

I have eyes and I try not to delude myself, that's how. Give it a shot. Do you not see how remarkably similar our offensive woes are through three coordinators and two different QBs? Calling plays when forced to live with simple schemes to achieve one very basic goal that is no longer a tenet in the modern NFL does not equate to authority, dude.

Roland, you pride yourself on intellectual honesty, yet somehow you absolutely refuse to consider the obvious signs that what you're saying doesn't track with reality. A commonality between coordinators does not erase several serious differences between the philosophies of each that show on the field.

The commonality is that they weren't good offensive coordinators, outside of Schottenheimer. That's the commonality, and it's fair to blame that on Pete.

The idea, though, that these guys are just random mouthpieces despite:

• Each of them being the primary playcaller
• Each of them preferring their own blocking schemes, which we IMMEDIATELY SWITCHED TO (switched to more power/gap stuff for Schotty, back to zone with Waldron's best friend as the OL coach)
• Each of them having their own unique background that manifested in different run/pass splits, route trees, preferred situational concepts, motion rates, tempo, and screen usage

It doesn't track, man. It doesn't. If you have eyes and refuse to delude yourself, and you presume I don't, then by all means RIP APART those well-established truths in the above bullet points. As you challenged me, go ahead and give it a shot. Otherwise, I'm going to stick to the assertion that the offensive coordinator does have a considerable amount of power over how their units operate, which would be a reasonable assumption to make after 14 years of getting to know this regime.

 

[Xxx]

But here is the argument people are essentially doing. They claim Waldron is only calling bombs and never scheming shorter stuff. So if that’s true is Pete a complete moron for letting Waldron do that for 12 straight weeks and watching play after play of it and just standing there chewing his gum? He obviously wouldn’t do that because it would be criminal to call offense that way. Isn’t it more likely Waldron is probably at least trying to do what Pete wants the majority of the time? What is more probable?

While I think you’re right that Pete isn’t calling the plays it’s unlikely Waldron is running an offense that is the opposite of what Pete wants week after week.

Even when it looks like they are only calling bombs there should be outlet routes.. when’s the last time geno threw to the check down, or even saw the check down

3rd and 8, all the receivers run 15 yards, geno gets sacked when they reach 10 yards

 

[Xxx]

I have eyes and I try not to delude myself, that's how. Give it a shot. Do you not see how remarkably similar our offensive woes are through three coordinators and two different QBs? Calling plays when forced to live with simple schemes to achieve one very basic goal that is no longer a tenet in the modern NFL does not equate to authority, dude.

Shottenheimer got fired cause he wouldn’t do it how Pete wanted

 

[Ozzy]

Roland, you pride yourself on intellectual honesty, yet somehow you absolutely refuse to consider the obvious signs that what you're saying doesn't track with reality. A commonality between coordinators does not erase several serious differences between the philosophies of each that show on the field.

The commonality is that they weren't good offensive coordinators, outside of Schottenheimer. That's the commonality, and it's fair to blame that on Pete.

The idea, though, that these guys are just random mouthpieces despite:

• Each of them being the primary playcaller
• Each of them preferring their own blocking schemes, which we IMMEDIATELY SWITCHED TO (switched to more power/gap stuff for Schotty, back to zone with Waldron's best friend as the OL coach)
• Each of them having their own unique background that manifested in different run/pass splits, route trees, preferred situational concepts, motion rates, tempo, and screen usage

It doesn't track, man. It doesn't. If you have eyes and refuse to delude yourself, and you presume I don't, then by all means RIP APART those well-established truths in the above bullet points. As you challenged me, go ahead and give it a shot. Otherwise, I'm going to stick to the assertion that the offensive coordinator does have a considerable amount of power over how their units operate, which would be a reasonable assumption to make after 14 years of getting to know this regime.

But again people are arguing that Waldron is a rebel who is going against Pete week, after week, after week and Pete is powerless against a young OC with no experience. I just can’t see that happening and if it is, then Pete apologists should be calling for him to be fired because that is negligent but they don’t typically

 

[Ozzy]

Even when it looks like they are only calling bombs there should be outlet routes.. when’s the last time geno threw to the check down, or even saw the check down

3rd and 8, all the receivers run 15 yards, geno gets sacked when they reach 10 yards

Well I would argue there are rarely plays where everyone is running 15 yards down the field. I posted a pic from Duggar where 3 of the 4 were layered with every area of the field is utilized and yet people were arguing that it was all deep shots. I don’t think perception is reality