Why I think DK will NEVER reach his full potential

[calinator]

Here is my follow up argument.

For all the people saying that Geno Smith isn't elite how does it help him to trade away an elite WR like Metcalf? Teams that do not have elite QBs do not trade away elite WRs.

They just don't do it. That is like not re-signing a franchise caliber LT so the value of WRs has gone up due to the rule changes. Also, because QB play isn't as good as it used to be IMO so keeping a WR of elite talent is integral.

People were questioning why the Vikings didn't trade away Jefferson this off season. But they see the results now and it is very clear. Is Sam Darnold elite? No way but it sure helps to have Jefferson helping out Darnold that is for sure....

There are like ten threads per month (just exaggerating) talking about people unsatisfied with Geno Smith as the starting QB of this team and they want to turn around and trade away Metcalf? HUh?

Please make it sense...

Geno Smith isn't an elite QB but you don't help him by trading away Metcalf. Also who are you going to pay that $30 million to? Free agency is about looking for the leftovers and overpaying for a free agent is a last resort. Drafting and retaining homegrown talent is easy and way more affordable.

The only OC to consistently rotate WRs in and out of his offense successfully in the modern era has been Andy Reid. But Andy Reid made his first super bowl trip by having the Eagles obtain TO back in the day. And then he has Mahomes come along and the rest is history.

Also the Patriots did not have many very good OL in their early days of their super bowl runs as many were cast offs and hold overs from the Parcells/Pete Carroll eras respectively. Damien Woody was the only noteworthy player early on and then Light eventually made a made for himself.

The Patriots won the SB in 2014 with the most ordinary OL in probably Super Bowl history. Outside of Mankins, Woody and Light they really did not have elite trench players on offense for most of their Super Bowl runs. Thuney and Mason came later on.

Brady's elite QB play could hide a lot of issues with ordinary WRs and OL along with good schemes and coaching. But eventually that can be figured out by defensive coordinators which is why Brady's last year outside of Edelman and White production was non existent but the game changed to favor offenses. And the Patriots FO and Bill failed to find a quality WR to add to the offense.

Patriots have failed to adapt to the modern NFL and are still paying that price in the year 2024. They let Jakobi Myers walk over not wanting to pay him and they are paying for it now.... And Meyers is a pretty solid #2 WR.

What is your definition of elite? Mine would be top 3. To say Metcalf is elite is absolutely absurd. His size and speed are elite but at best he's top 20-25 as far as receivers in the NFL, if you want me to post a list I gladly will. That sounds crazy but there are 32 teams and some might have 2 receivers better than DK. He lacks catching, route running and his passion or as he calls it "aggressive nature" is a distraction. Largent didn't have DK's best attributes(speed and size) but he was at the top of elite during his playing time, Jerry Rice wasn't big and fast but boy he did have great hands and route running. Fitzgerald? And also Metcalf is not in the same stratosphere as Justin Jefferson.

I'd rather take OL all day over WR's and would build an offense around that first. WR's make no difference if the QB doesn't have time to throw and they help in the run game as well. DK will give you that home run from time to time but it's vastly more important to have someone consistent at catching and getting open on routes. It feels like when the Hawks moved on from Koren Robinson(great athlete but tons of drops) and the next year made the superbowl with Joe Jurevicius.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We all have our opinions of how good every player is. Someone having an opinion is not absurd in any way.

 

[calinator]

We all have our opinions of how good every player is. Someone having an opinion is not absurd in any way.

Stone Forsythe is elite tho.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Now THAT would be truly absurd

 

[SweepSanFran]

I thought after Dk caught that contested pass stretched out, that very well could have been a interception, i thought some of this would subside. My take on this is Dk is clearly a #1 WR, at least for us. Whether or not he is elite is for someone with a way higher football IQ than mine to decide. I do think he has moments of bonehead mistakes and sometimes it frustrates me. That being said i would hate to try and rebuild a winning culture without a passionate guy like Dk on the team that can help us win. We have all seen what happens when a new coach comes in and tries to turn over the roster and build all the while losing. He first loses the locker room, and the staff, and ultimately the GM, the team owner and then his job. I think it would be counter productive to getting back to where we as fans want the team to be by trading DK right now. Maybe down the road but not right now, we need him for lots of reasons even if they may be selfish.

Enough of that.

I would like to see more of Laviska and see what he can give us on the field. He seems to be a little like Deebo and maybe he can add a wrinkle we haven't seen yet.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Because he walks around wearing pants like this?

I gotta find me some plushy pants.. there only $700

 

[hawker84]

Sounds like somebody here used to get beat up in gym class.

I actually played the game at a somewhat higher level. And yourself? Didn't think so. I'm more than happy to talk football whenever, or you can keep acting like you're still in middle school.

 

[hawker84]

Really?

To each their own, rather sure there would be 31 other teams wanting to talk with JS if DK was being traded. He is a huge constant mismatch.

Agreed, but he lacks the ability to gain separation consistently and he's shown he's not dominant when it comes to 50/50 balls, and of course the untimely drive killing drops and personal fouls at crucial times. Until he gets better at these things and is more consistent, he'll never be in the same conversation among the Jeffersons, AJ browns, and chases of the league. Just my take.

 

[hawker84]

What is your definition of elite? Mine would be top 3. To say Metcalf is elite is absolutely absurd. His size and speed are elite but at best he's top 20-25 as far as receivers in the NFL, if you want me to post a list I gladly will. That sounds crazy but there are 32 teams and some might have 2 receivers better than DK. He lacks catching, route running and his passion or as he calls it "aggressive nature" is a distraction. Largent didn't have DK's best attributes(speed and size) but he was at the top of elite during his playing time, Jerry Rice wasn't big and fast but boy he did have great hands and route running. Fitzgerald? And also Metcalf is not in the same stratosphere as Justin Jefferson.

I'd rather take OL all day over WR's and would build an offense around that first. WR's make no difference if the QB doesn't have time to throw and they help in the run game as well. DK will give you that home run from time to time but it's vastly more important to have someone consistent at catching and getting open on routes. It feels like when the Hawks moved on from Koren Robinson(great athlete but tons of drops) and the next year made the superbowl with Joe Jurevicius.

. Some folks just don't understand football 101. We won our one super bowl should've been two with three damn good recievers. None of which had elite speed or size. None were ever ranked in the top 10 to my knowledge. Brady won how many with his band of good recievers over the years. None of which had elite speed or size, minus Moss of course. I'd take 3 Baldwin or Golden tates, or Locketts over DK any day of the week.