Why I think DK will NEVER reach his full potential

[SoulfishHawk]

Does he drive me nuts at times? Absolutely. But I'm proud he's on this team. He cares, a LOT.

 

[hawker84]

Yeah how dare Metcalf have freakish size and speed.

How did it work out for the Titans trading away AJ Brown and turning around and drafting Burkes in the first round? It cost Ex Titans GM Robinson his job and caused a huge talent drain on the offense. Elite WRs are kind of important if you do not have an elite QB. And the QB play of the Titans was exposed at that point and the rest is history.

Why would the Eagles want another elite WR to pair with their existing elite WR? They made a Super bowl trip and Hurt isn't an elite QB....

The Patriots couldn't find an elite or even an a very good WR through the draft and refused to bring one in and pay for in free agency. That was a big impetus for Tom Brady to leave the Patriots. And in turn Tampa Bay Bucs were attractive to Brady because of Evans and Godwin. Gronk and the rest of the crew came much later in the off season. In fact after their Super Bowl winning season the Bucs were poised for a repeat but WR Brown had a melt down. And it cost the Bucs in the playoffs against the Rams as they had no WR depth beyond Evans and Godwin.

WRs are gold in the NFL and it crazy to think otherwise with how the league has evolved.

Lol, talented wide recievers are a dime a dozen in the league and draft every season. How many super bowls did brady when without a 6'4" burner? Trenches is where you make championships, not fast recievers.

 

[hawker84]

Anybody who wants to trade DK should go work for the Mariners. Because, as I've said before, that would be a totally Mariners move. Trade away your elite talent in order to save money and be mediocre. And fail to win your division for the 23rd straight year. Is that what you want? Because that's what you're demanding we do.

DK Metcalf is not elite by any measure other than size and speed. Not to mention he is a mental midget on top of his other inconsistencies. He is not worth what he will he asking for in his next contract.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Feel better? Sounds like you do.

 

[jammerhawk]

DK is big and fast and will give you a big play or two a game. He is not however and will never be elite, I'd take a dozen recievers in this league over him right now.

Really?

To each their own, rather sure there would be 31 other teams wanting to talk with JS if DK was being traded. He is a huge constant mismatch.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Accurate ^^^

 

[GeekHawk]

DK Metcalf is not elite by any measure other than size and speed. Not to mention he is a mental midget on top of his other inconsistencies. He is not worth what he will he asking for in his next contract.

Sounds like somebody here used to get beat up in gym class.

 

[SuperSonic67]

Yeah how dare Metcalf have freakish size and speed.

How did it work out for the Titans trading away AJ Brown and turning around and drafting Burkes in the first round? It cost Ex Titans GM Robinson his job and caused a huge talent drain on the offense. Elite WRs are kind of important if you do not have an elite QB. And the QB play of the Titans was exposed at that point and the rest is history.

Why would the Eagles want another elite WR to pair with their existing elite WR? They made a Super bowl trip and Hurt isn't an elite QB....

The Patriots couldn't find an elite or even an a very good WR through the draft and refused to bring one in and pay for in free agency. That was a big impetus for Tom Brady to leave the Patriots. And in turn Tampa Bay Bucs were attractive to Brady because of Evans and Godwin. Gronk and the rest of the crew came much later in the off season. In fact after their Super Bowl winning season the Bucs were poised for a repeat but WR Brown had a melt down. And it cost the Bucs in the playoffs against the Rams as they had no WR depth beyond Evans and Godwin.

WRs are gold in the NFL and it crazy to think otherwise with how the league has evolved.

Well I was in the trade DK group, but you make some really good points here. Thanks for a well thought out post, well done.

 

[hox]

DK tends to disappear in games vs division rivals, dating back to RW days.

3 for 11 against 49ers is not good. Last season also:



So while he is a special player, he has yet to clear that bar.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Like the game winning catch vs the Rams, while being covered by Jalen Ramsey? That is a division rival, he owned him, he got the game winning catch.

 

[beaumaris]

Sounds like somebody here used to get beat up in gym class.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Anybody who wants to trade DK should go work for the Mariners. Because, as I've said before, that would be a totally Mariners move. Trade away your elite talent in order to save money and be mediocre. And fail to win your division for the 23rd straight year. Is that what you want? Because that's what you're demanding we do.

Great point.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I often wonder if some of the fans will reach their full potential

(I kid)

 

[bileever]

Anybody who wants to trade DK should go work for the Mariners. Because, as I've said before, that would be a totally Mariners move. Trade away your elite talent in order to save money and be mediocre. And fail to win your division for the 23rd straight year. Is that what you want? Because that's what you're demanding we do.

It's not that simple. The question is whether the Seahawks ultimately want to pay him $30 million per year. As much as I love DK, I don't know if that makes sense for this team.

To use a baseball term, as good as DK is, the WAR differential at the WR position isn't like that at QB, offensive line or defensive tackle.

 

[NoGain]

It's not that simple. The question is whether the Seahawks ultimately want to pay him $30 million per year. As much as I love DK, I don't know if that makes sense for this team.

To use a baseball term, as good as DK is, the WAR differential at the WR position isn't like that at QB, offensive line or defensive tackle.

Yup. That's been my take on the matter all along. It's not about liking him or not, hating him or not, it's about value. He's going to want an extension in that 32-35 million dollar range. That's what #1 receivers are getting now. The question is do you think his production and value to the team are worth that much, or do you think the money is better allocated elsewhere? Period.

 

[bsuhawk]

DK is a high-risk high-reward type of player and they are always polarizing and controversial. He's one of the most physically gifted receivers I've ever seen. In terms of athleticism (not production), I would put him at the same level as Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson. However, he also isn't detail-oriented, sometimes has poor impulse control, and, at times, has trouble focusing. I'm sure most of us have come across extremely talented individuals who, for whatever reason, can't get the simple things right. Things like carrying the football high and tight and wrapping both arms around it on contact to prevent fumbling. Personally, I find people like this very frustrating, which is why DK frustrates me.

While I wouldn't trade DK (unless the offer is ridiculously high), the real issue will be whether to extend him at $30+ million a year. Are multiple 1,000 yard seasons worth the occasional fumble or penalty that costs you a game? These are the types of decisions that get GMs fired.

 

[Tech Worlds]

He's actually having a hell of a year.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Nah, he sucks. He's a cancer. He fumbles every game. He can't catch the ball. He cost the team games. He gets penalties Blah blah blah.
(It's sarcasm, lighten up....ahead of time)

 

[Sperrydogg]

That one handed block….

 

[Scout]

Well I was in the trade DK group, but you make some really good points here. Thanks for a well thought out post, well done.

Here is my follow up argument.

For all the people saying that Geno Smith isn't elite how does it help him to trade away an elite WR like Metcalf? Teams that do not have elite QBs do not trade away elite WRs.

They just don't do it. That is like not re-signing a franchise caliber LT so the value of WRs has gone up due to the rule changes. Also, because QB play isn't as good as it used to be IMO so keeping a WR of elite talent is integral.

People were questioning why the Vikings didn't trade away Jefferson this off season. But they see the results now and it is very clear. Is Sam Darnold elite? No way but it sure helps to have Jefferson helping out Darnold that is for sure....

There are like ten threads per month (just exaggerating) talking about people unsatisfied with Geno Smith as the starting QB of this team and they want to turn around and trade away Metcalf? HUh?

Please make it sense...

Geno Smith isn't an elite QB but you don't help him by trading away Metcalf. Also who are you going to pay that $30 million to? Free agency is about looking for the leftovers and overpaying for a free agent is a last resort. Drafting and retaining homegrown talent is easy and way more affordable.

The only OC to consistently rotate WRs in and out of his offense successfully in the modern era has been Andy Reid. But Andy Reid made his first super bowl trip by having the Eagles obtain TO back in the day. And then he has Mahomes come along and the rest is history.

Also the Patriots did not have many very good OL in their early days of their super bowl runs as many were cast offs and hold overs from the Parcells/Pete Carroll eras respectively. Damien Woody was the only noteworthy player early on and then Light eventually made a name for himself.

The Patriots won the SB in 2014 with the most ordinary OL in probably Super Bowl history. Outside of Mankins, Woody and Light they really did not have elite trench players on offense for most of their Super Bowl runs. Thuney and Mason came later on.

Brady's elite QB play could hide a lot of issues with ordinary WRs and OL along with good schemes and coaching. But eventually that can be figured out by defensive coordinators which is why Brady's last year as a Patriot outside of Edelman and White production was non existent but the game changed to favor offenses. And the Patriots FO and Bill failed to find a quality WR to add to the offense.

Patriots have failed to adapt to the modern NFL and are still paying that price in the year 2024. They let Jakobi Myers walk over not wanting to pay him and they are paying for it now.... And Meyers is a pretty solid #2 WR.