Why Are Fans So Upset?

[Ozzy]

Meanwhile, back in reality, Forsythe started eight games last year. Maybe do some research before calling someone wrong? I know people like @Ozzy seem to like biased and misinformed opinions, but it's very easy to verify these things. For example, here are Seattle's primary starters by snap count last season.

Player Position Snap Count Off
Evan Brown C 960
Damien Lewis G 931
Charles Cross T 836
Anthony Bradford G 661
Stone Forsythe T 501

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People like Ozzy, a little hypocritical but whatever carry on with your point.

 

[hawkfan68]

Our line is not largely the same as last year. That's just false.
We lost our left guard our center and are currently playing our 4th string RT.

Good to see that someone is paying attention

 

[Ozzy]

Meanwhile, back in reality, Forsythe started eight games last year. Maybe do some research before calling someone wrong? I know people like @Ozzy seem to like biased and misinformed opinions, but it's very easy to verify these things. For example, here are Seattle's primary starters by snap count last season.

Player Position Snap Count Off
Evan Brown C 960
Damien Lewis G 931
Charles Cross T 836
Anthony Bradford G 661
Stone Forsythe T 501

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And you’re still wrong. These numbers don’t support what you’re saying regardless of how condescendingly you say it. 40% of last years line is gone. That makes a massive difference. It’s hard to get continuity or cohesion for them as they rotate guys in and out trying to find an answer at guard still.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The same line? Um..........no.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Trouble is Mael...you still need a competent O-line.

Competency is coached. Talent determines ceiling.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Schotty was probably the best coordinator that we had under Carroll. He sucked vs. Dallas, but he surly left me scratching my head less often than our other coordinators under Carroll did.

Quite frankly, I wonder why he was forced out. I've heard rumors about Wilson, and I certainly could believe them. That being said, I'm not sure how much we could verify them.

I believe it was just he didn't see eye to eye with Pete. He wanted to do things his way and Pete had other ideas. No biggie.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Competency is coached. Talent determines ceiling.

What coach in reality could get positive results from that unit Mael? Pete couldn't. MM can't. Who?

 

[Ozzy]

I believe it was just he didn't see eye to eye with Pete. He wanted to do things his way and Pete had other ideas. No biggie.

Russ and Schotty are super close friends who still spend time together. I agree, it was Pete and him not seeing eye to eye on how the offense should be played. I agree though he was maybe the best we had.

 

[Maelstrom787]

What coach in reality could get positive results from that unit Mael? Pete couldn't. MM can't. Who?

On the ground? Hell, Rashaad Penny rushed for like a million yards every time he was healthy behind a line just as bad as this one talent-wise.

A good rushing attack is about synchronization, timing, and reps. An inability to rush the ball is almost always a coaching issue in my eyes, even with a bad line.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

A good rushing attack is about synchronization, timing, and reps. An inability to rush the ball is almost always a coaching issue in my eyes, even with a bad line.

I can agree somewhat with this, but I can't lay it all on Grubb...they also have Scott Huff O-line coach (first NFL season), Zak Hill Offensive asst/Quality control (first NFL season), and Chuckie Keeton Offensive asst (first NFL season). Lots of rookie coaches that need to get their chit together.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I can agree somewhat with this, but I can't lay it all on Grubb...they also have Scott Huff O-line coach (first NFL season), Zak Hill Offensive asst/Quality control (first NFL season), and Chuckie Keeton Offensive asst (first NFL season). Lots of rookie coaches that need to get their chit together.

I'm kind of lumping them onto Grubb's plate since he brought Huff with him from UW, and Grubb is an OL guy himself. But yeah. Not a fan at all so far of Huff, at least.

 

[Ozzy]

I still think its possible execution is a massive problem and you can't always outcoach bad execution/talent. Some of the best oline coaches in history have had years where their lines are terrible. The players need to step up too. Big Ray has talked about this a bunch on the radio. They can get all the best coaching in the world but if you flat out continue to make the same mistakes over and over its also on the players.

 

[hox]

Sucky o-line coaching and sucky players.

29th in rushing? Yeah, both things can be true.

 

[Ozzy]

Sucky o-line coaching and sucky players.

29th in rushing? Yeah, both things can be true.

My hope is, Grubb starts to trust his line a little more, Lucas comes back, Walker gets a little more decisive and it all just clicks. I think some of this might be a little bad luck in who you've played, how those games have unfolded. I'm not removing all guilt as this is just a small part of it but I really think unlike 2017 we can get improved play.

 

[hox]

My hope is, Grubb starts to trust his line a little more, Lucas comes back, Walker gets a little more decisive and it all just clicks. I think some of this might be a little bad luck in who you've played, how those games have unfolded. I'm not removing all guilt as this is just a small part of it but I really think unlike 2017 we can get improved play.

I think Walker is who he is. He's not really that one-cut go type. He's looking for daylight where often times there is none.

 

[pittpnthrs]

On the ground? Hell, Rashaad Penny rushed for like a million yards every time he was healthy behind a line just as bad as this one talent-wise.

A good rushing attack is about synchronization, timing, and reps. An inability to rush the ball is almost always a coaching issue in my eyes, even with a bad line.

Lol, it wasn't this bad. Solari was let go because the Oline degression and Pete promoted Dickerson, who in 22' had the worst Oline in the league. In 23' they were barely any better. He's with the Browns now and they were missing their starting tackles and guard until just recently and they were still better than Seattles Oline. It's talent and depth. There's only so much a coach can do.

 

[Ozzy]

Lol, it wasn't this bad. Solari was let go because the Oline degression and Pete promoted Dickerson, who in 22' had the worst Oline in the league. In 23' they were barely any better. He's with the Browns now and they were missing their starting tackles and guard until just recently and they were still better than Seattles Oline. It's talent and depth. There's only so much a coach can do.

I think I agree. I think we're looking for someone to blame when really its just a lack of talent if I had to guess. I do think Grubb (who I really like) can do some things to help out a little bit and I'm sure they will but overall until you improve the talent on the line they're going to struggle.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I think I agree. I think we're looking for someone to blame when really its just a lack of talent if I had to guess. I do think Grubb (who I really like) can do some things to help out a little bit and I'm sure they will but overall until you improve the talent on the line they're going to struggle.

Yeah, but I do see Mael's point to an extent. It's the NFL. You should be able to run some if even a little. Seattle seems to can't. As for Grubb, does he panic and just gives up on the run? Is Huff able to teach these players at this level? I really don't know those answers. Yes coaching is in the equation, but I truly believe the outlier is the talent.

 

[Ozzy]

Yeah, but I do see Mael's point to an extent. It's the NFL. You should be able to run some if even a little. Seattle seems to can't. As for Grubb, does he panic and just gives up on the run? Is Huff able to teach these players at this level? I really don't know those answers. Yes coaching is in the equation, but I truly believe the outlier is the talent.

Oh I do too, it's a fair point. I trust Grubb because his run game stuff at UW and at times here is good, so it's in him we just gotta see it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Pitchforks 8 games in seems a little extreme. But, they are playing like garbage, so it's natural to overreact.