Why Are Fans So Upset?

[OLYhawks]

I'm personally enjoying the growing pains. Those that thought this transition was going to be easy, are coming down to earth. I said from the very beginning of the Carroll firing, that I'd be perfectly happy with an off season or two just to NEVER watch another Carroll coached team. Just to watch something new, fresh, and NOT be able to call the plays coming next myself as a fan because that's how mundane Petey ball became.

 

[BGHawk]

I go off of my own observations..as to the State of the team. When all the players seem agitated and pissed off, nobody is trying, the QB sits there and pouts ,DK sits there mad, Lockett not playing well..nobody with any energy..coach mumbling his way through pressers, losing to bad teams, losing at home in our fkn stadium, visiting teams fans all over the stadium, ... ..yeah, shit is bad right now, without a doubt. The team is flailing and so are the fans. I've seen this many times before and I hope things turn around. Go Hawks!

 

[knownone]

Our line is not largely the same as last year. That's just false.
We lost our left guard our center and are currently playing our 4th string RT.

Define largely? The only major loss was Lewis, but three of the five Seahawks who played the most snaps last season are the same: Forsythe, Bradford, and Cross. Considering that William's is an objectively better center than Brown, who was among the league worst last season, we're really only talking about Lewis. Similarly, Seattle had significantly more injuries on the line and less continuity in the previous season. I mean, this team started three games with Curhan and Peters as their bookend tackles.

 

[knownone]

I think Stones play this year is drastically worse than what we saw last year. I would argue guard play has been much worse this year too.

I think it’s more a talent issue. Grubb needs to get better as well I just think the line severely limits him and he’s scared to call plays when he’s averaging 2 yards a carry.

I think it will get better though personally

You've ignored the original point entirely. Is it fair for Mael to defend Geno based on the situation he finds himself in? Right, regardless of whether it's Grubbs's fault for the offense's inability to run the ball or the O-line's talent.

 

[Ozzy]

You've ignored the original point entirely. Is it fair for Mael to defend Geno based on the situation he finds himself in? Right, regardless of whether it's Grubbs's fault for the offense's inability to run the ball or the O-line's talent.

I didn’t miss it in fact I said I understand him liking Geno so much.

It’s also fair to say in spite of those issues, as they plague a lot of teams, Geno shares some blame and could be better too.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Did Geno rea

I’m still not understanding the amateur hour coaching. It’s the exact same result so far .500 play as the same coach you argued was doing so well he should get another year. I love you man but it seems like you’re being a little biased here. If it’s amateur hour now it was amateur hour the past 2 years too then. League bottom defense under Pete and horrible line play.

I’m not going to kill you for loving Geno even though I disagree on him sometimes we love players because we see something bigger than football and that’s cool. I have that with Russ if I’m being honest.

I am including Waldron and Hurtt in 2022 and 2023.

Pete I still believe was an excellent head coach overall outside of his putrid coordinator hires.

 

[Ozzy]

If you’re including last year that’s reasonable. I don’t fully see it the way you do but I can see why you do

 

[Natethegreat]

Define largely? The only major loss was Lewis, but three of the five Seahawks who played the most snaps last season are the same: Forsythe, Bradford, and Cross. Considering that William's is an objectively better center than Brown, who was among the league worst last season, we're really only talking about Lewis. Similarly, Seattle had significantly more injuries on the line and less continuity in the previous season. I mean, this team started three games with Curhan and Peters as their bookend tackles.

Forsythe was not starting last year. We have 3 out of 5 players starting right now that are new. Your statement was flat wrong.
Also Bradford wasn't a full time guy last year or this year so it could be argued we have new starters in 4 out of five spots. With Christian Haynes rotating in.

 

[knownone]

Forsythe was not starting last year. We have 3 out of 5 players starting right now that are new. Your statement was flat wrong.
Also Bradford wasn't a full time guy last year or this year so it could be argued we have new starters in 4 out of five spots. With Christian Haynes rotating in.

Meanwhile, back in reality, Forsythe started eight games last year. Maybe do some research before calling someone wrong? I know people like @Ozzy seem to like biased and misinformed opinions, but it's very easy to verify these things. For example, here are Seattle's primary starters by snap count last season.

Player Position Snap Count Off
Evan Brown C 960
Damien Lewis G 931
Charles Cross T 836
Anthony Bradford G 661
Stone Forsythe T 501

Source

 

[knownone]

I am including Waldron and Hurtt in 2022 and 2023.

Pete I still believe was an excellent head coach overall outside of his putrid coordinator hires.

You lost me.

Waldron led an offense that was 11th in EPA and 12th in SR from 2022 through 2023. He wasn't perfect, but the hate he gets from some in this community is a tad excessive.

 

[NJlargent]

This is a 7 win roster. We have a garbage OL and an average DL and at best average linebackers (probably below average). We also have a journeyman at QB. Yes he plays great at times but you aren't winning 13 games with Geno unless you bring back the 2013 defense and the 2005 OL.

Calling for a firing of MM is laughable.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Bad organizations set unrealistic expectations. And let's be clear: your assumption of why they are saying it doesn't make it true. That's you dismissing evidence for the sake of your argument.

Come on knownone, do you believe this roster is good enough to compete for a championship? Be honest. Pete could only get mediocre results with it and now MM is struggling with it. Common sense will tell you it's not.

JS is just defending himself and the choices he made. Nobody in the NFL for any organization is going to sit there and admit they screwed up along the way and blackmail their own employment.

 

[pittpnthrs]

People need to chill the hell out. No one needs to be fired. You guys need to learn some damn patience.

I believe this might be the very first time we have agreed on something CallMeADawg. Lol

Well said

 

[pittpnthrs]

We don’t have enough asset wise to be considered a rebuild. We just don’t.

A complete overhaul of the coaching staff while picking up pieces from the past is going to require some patience.

BUT - the manner in which they lost, how they played, the gravity of the mistakes that were made…I haven’t seen a center snap the ball over someone’s head like that at the NFL level in a loooooonnngg time.

The bickering and arguing. Hell, I think I even saw Geno yell at Tyler…

The way they lost…indicates something else besides not having enough dogs in the kennel.

I’m not calling for MMs head. Nor JS for that matter. I have faith they’ll get this team back in contention.

It’s not if you’ve been dealt a bad hand or not (lack of quality players, holdovers from another era, etc.) but HOW you play that hand as well.

The problem is that everybody is pushing and forcing things because the system is inoperable in the current state. Defenses aren't even playing the run against us because they don't need to and they still win the los battles. This makes the passing game that much harder and without your number one receiver,,,,,,it's a disaster.

Yeah there's bickering. I'd be upset too when your set up for failure with no way to fix it. Let's face it, the team has no cap space, no star power to even make impact trades, and a lack of draft picks. It's going to be a hard uphill battle.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I know how it looks to others when I say this, but I can't even blame him at this point. I really can't.

He has been sold out for years straight on a team that just has not been able to support him. He's taken so many strides in his game and he's met with incompetent defense, incompetent protection, and incompetent rushing.

He's getting older and he's seized a second chance at glory. He doesn't have forever and he's not being given a real opportunity to succeed here.

I'm sure it hurts to put yourself in a position to have a fairytale redemption arc on your own merit just to be surrounded by Jaguars-tier play, amateur hour coaching, and fans who will blame it all on you anyway.

I can't even disagree with this. If you notice, I haven't mentioned Geno once in all of this. It's not his fault. I also said it's a shame that we won't get the chance to see if he could ever take the team to the next level because of the inneptitude of the roster and the circumstances.

 

[pittpnthrs]

The line is similar to last season, though.

Lol. No it's not

 

[TheLost]

I'm upset because it's embarrassing to go to two home games in a row and be surrounded by fans from the other team who are louder than our own fans, who have more to cheer for than our own fans. I've been going to, what, 8 games per year for 20 years, since 2004 ("cheap seats", in the 300s). There were some lousy teams in those years, who lost a lot of games. But the fans were still in it, were still loud, and it was at least still fun to show up and cheer for the team and share in group misery when they lost. I used to take pride in who showed up, how loud we were, what our team put on the field, no matter what happened. Not this year (last year was pretty awful too, but this year really takes it).

The 49er fans were the worst-- foul mouthed, aggressive, worst I've ever experienced. And the Bills fans were loud and doing group chants around us (at least they were polite). But for the first time, I am thinking of giving up our season tickets. It's just not worth spending the time and money to see no improvement, game after game after game, to be embarrassed in my own "home" if no one else seems to care, and that includes the team on the field and our own fans. I guess butts in seats is still money for ownership and NFL even if it isn't our own fans. Whatever. How "patient" are you supposed to be? Let someone else pay for it.

There are no cheap seats these days. It is too far to drive to a game to sit in nose bleed seats at the current cost.

 

[Maelstrom787]

You lost me.

Waldron led an offense that was 11th in EPA and 12th in SR from 2022 through 2023. He wasn't perfect, but the hate he gets from some in this community is a tad excessive.

I have a balanced view of Waldron compared to many here, honestly. He is a good play designer and isn't a total buffoon, but I think he was undone by Dickerson and poor run scheme.

I'm probably being a little harsh to Waldron, but boy, what I wouldn't give to see Geno behind a vintage Schotty/Solari type attack.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

I have a balanced view of Waldron compared to many here, honestly. He is a good play designer and isn't a total buffoon, but I think he was undone by Dickerson and poor run scheme.

I'm probably being a little harsh to Waldron, but boy, what I wouldn't give to see Geno behind a vintage Schotty/Solari type attack.

Trouble is Mael...you still need a competent O-line.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I have a balanced view of Waldron compared to many here, honestly. He is a good play designer and isn't a total buffoon, but I think he was undone by Dickerson and poor run scheme.

I'm probably being a little harsh to Waldron, but boy, what I wouldn't give to see Geno behind a vintage Schotty/Solari type attack.

Schotty was probably the best coordinator that we had under Carroll. He sucked vs. Dallas, but he surly left me scratching my head less often than our other coordinators under Carroll did.

Quite frankly, I wonder why he was forced out. I've heard rumors about Wilson, and I certainly could believe them. That being said, I'm not sure how much we could verify them.