Why '23 will be better than '22: Front 7

[Bear-Hawk]

We can agree to disagree, but if you are presenting a highly unlikely argument as a fact with no evidence then telling me to do my own research is not persuasive. I listed Kennedy and Sapp as the two HOF DTs that I could think of being over 300 lbs, and both were prototype 3 techs.

The truth is that big run stoppers have a largely thankless job that doesn't show up in the stat sheet. Somebody mentioned HOF 3tech Kevin Williams above, who usually just had a single guard to deal with as Pat Williams clogged up the middle of that Vikings defense but received far fewer accolades for it.

You understand that 3-tech and nose tackle are different positions. The topic is NT. I checked the weight of all HOF nose tackles a couple weeks ago. I did not keep my notes, and I’m not doing it again unless you are calling me a liar. They average 334.

 

[BASF]

You understand that 3-tech and nose tackle are different positions. The topic is NT. I checked the weight of all HOF nose tackles a couple weeks ago. I did not keep my notes, and I’m not doing it again unless you are calling me a liar. They average 334.

Can you come up with a name of any Nose Tackle that is in the Hall Of Fame?

Here are the actual hall of famers that played DT:

Junious Buchanan (DT) 1963-1975
Curley Culp 1968-1981
Art Donovan (DT) 1950-1961
Joe Greene (DT) 1969-1981
Dan Hampton (DT-DE) 1979-1990
Henry Jordan (DT) 1957-1969
Cortez Kennedy (DT) 1990-2000
Bob Lilly (DT) 1961-1974
Leo Nomellini (DT) 1950-1963
Merlin Olsen (DT) 1962-1976
Alan Page (DT) 1967-1981
John Randle 1990-2003
Warren Sapp 1995-2007
Ernie Stautner (DT) 1950-1963
Arnie Weinmeister (DT) 1948-1953
Randy White (DT) 1975-1988
Reggie White (DT-DE) 1985-1998, 2000

I would argue against Reggie White being included on the list as he only played there for about a year total. None of those players were nose tackles in an era close to this one. All of them were smaller than what you are advocating. Of course you may be thinking of players that are not actual hall of famers.

 

[hawkfan68]

Can you come up with a name of any Nose Tackle that is in the Hall Of Fame?

Here are the actual hall of famers that played DT:

Junious Buchanan (DT) 1963-1975
Curley Culp 1968-1981
Art Donovan (DT) 1950-1961
Joe Greene (DT) 1969-1981
Dan Hampton (DT-DE) 1979-1990
Henry Jordan (DT) 1957-1969
Cortez Kennedy (DT) 1990-2000
Bob Lilly (DT) 1961-1974
Leo Nomellini (DT) 1950-1963
Merlin Olsen (DT) 1962-1976
Alan Page (DT) 1967-1981
John Randle 1990-2003
Warren Sapp 1995-2007
Ernie Stautner (DT) 1950-1963
Arnie Weinmeister (DT) 1948-1953
Randy White (DT) 1975-1988
Reggie White (DT-DE) 1985-1998, 2000

I would argue against Reggie White being included on the list as he only played there for about a year total. None of those players were nose tackles in an era close to this one. All of them were smaller than what you are advocating. Of course you may be thinking of players that are not actual hall of famers.

These guys aren't HOFs (some may still get in) but they did have good to great careers at NT (325+ pds)-

Jerry Ball - 330pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BallJe00.htm

Albert Haynesworth - 335pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaynAl20.htm

BJ Raji - 334pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RajiBJ99.htm

Haloti Ngata - 340pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NgatHa20.htm

Ted Washington - 365pds (Not sure why he hasn't made it in HOF yet) - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WashTe01.htm.

Vince Wilfork - 325pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilfVi20.htm

Shaun Rogers - 350pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RogeSh99.htm

Jamal Williams - 348pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillJa99.htm

Snacks Harrison - 350pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrDa03.htm

Casey Hampton - 325pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HampCa00.htm

 

[Bear-Hawk]

These guys aren't HOFs (some may still get in) but they did have good to great careers at NT (325+ pds)-

Jerry Ball - 330pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BallJe00.htm

Albert Haynesworth - 335pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaynAl20.htm

BJ Raji - 334pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RajiBJ99.htm

Haloti Ngata - 340pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NgatHa20.htm

Ted Washington - 365pds (Not sure why he hasn't made it in HOF yet) - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WashTe01.htm.

Vince Wilfork - 325pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilfVi20.htm

Shaun Rogers - 350pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RogeSh99.htm

Jamal Williams - 348pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillJa99.htm

Snacks Harrison - 350pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrDa03.htm

Casey Hampton - 325pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HampCa00.htm

Thanks! Nice to see one person who understands what I am talking about.

 

[BASF]

These guys aren't HOFs (some may still get in) but they did have good to great careers at NT (325+ pds)-

Jerry Ball - 330pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BallJe00.htm

Albert Haynesworth - 335pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaynAl20.htm

BJ Raji - 334pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RajiBJ99.htm

Haloti Ngata - 340pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NgatHa20.htm

Ted Washington - 365pds (Not sure why he hasn't made it in HOF yet) - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WashTe01.htm.

Vince Wilfork - 325pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilfVi20.htm

Shaun Rogers - 350pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RogeSh99.htm

Jamal Williams - 348pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillJa99.htm

Snacks Harrison - 350pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrDa03.htm

Casey Hampton - 325pds - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HampCa00.htm

Agreed on this list. As a lover of the position, I'd say only three of those players belong in the hall of fame. But belonging in the hall of fame and actually being hall of fame are two entirely different things.

 

[AgentDib]

As I've previously mentioned, Curley Culp was a nose tackle. Alan Page played a little nose tackle.

I checked the weight of all HOF nose tackles a couple weeks ago. I did not keep my notes, and I’m not doing it again unless you are calling me a liar. They average 334.

I certainly don't believe the statistic that you are representing as a fact. Since this is a discussion forum, my initial response pointed that out and explained why I did not believe it. Your responses since then have provided nothing to back up your assertion or rebut my points, so I remain completely unconvinced. It's not a big deal, people are mistaken about all kinds of things and you're welcome to maintain whatever opinion you want.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

As I've previously mentioned, Curley Culp was a nose tackle. Alan Page played a little nose tackle.

I certainly don't believe the statistic that you are representing as a fact. Since this is a discussion forum, my initial response pointed that out and explained why I did not believe it. Your responses since then have provided nothing to back up your assertion or rebut my points, so I remain completely unconvinced. It's not a big deal, people are mistaken about all kinds of things and you're welcome to maintain whatever opinion you want.

Likewise sir. The only difference is that I did the research on this and you did not. If I have some time next week, I might redo it and show it to you. The Hawkfan68 post above is pretty accurate, as best I recall.