Was Grubb a Schneider or a Macdonald hire?

[Ozzy]

I think Grubb is going to be just fine and end up as one of the better OC's in the league. This offense without the execution errors have a great game this past weekend and that's while being hindered by a bad Oline. I think its odd we allow the line to be an excuse for Geno, and its a valid one, but completely ignore it for Grubb. It absolutely handcuffs what you can do.

 

[toffee]

I think Grubb is going to be just fine and end up as one of the better OC's in the league. This offense without the execution errors have a great game this past weekend and that's while being hindered by a bad Oline. I think its odd we allow the line to be an excuse for Geno, and its a valid one, but completely ignore it for Grubb. It absolutely handcuffs what you can do.

I am a Geno fanboy, but man, he had a few bad games this year.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I think Grubb is going to be just fine and end up as one of the better OC's in the league. This offense without the execution errors have a great game this past weekend and that's while being hindered by a bad Oline. I think its odd we allow the line to be an excuse for Geno, and its a valid one, but completely ignore it for Grubb. It absolutely handcuffs what you can do.

It isn't Geno's job to coach the line on how to harmoniously block a rushing concept, but it is Grubb's job.

I don't see them getting any better in that regard yet. At all.

 

[knownone]

The O-line also hinders Grubb, but he doesn't game plan enough to minimize it. Where Pete's teams over-compensated to protect inexperienced linemen, Grubb has taken it to the opposite extreme. It took him six sacks to start bringing in extra guys in pass protection.

 

[Ozzy]

It isn't Geno's job to coach the line on how to harmoniously block a rushing concept, but it is Grubb's job.

I don't see them getting any better in that regard yet. At all.

You missed my point. A terrible line is going to be bad regardless of who's coaching it sometimes. My point is When Geno falls short we hear every time well the line sucks so its not his fault. I just think if you're going to use that excuse(and its a valid one) for Geno then it applies to Grubb too. Sure it's his job to coach them up but its his first year and he didn't build this current line. I'm not sure any line coach in the league helps much here.

I think even the best OC's are often limited by poor line play and the end results aren't a good indicator of how good the OC is.

 

[Maelstrom787]

You missed my point. A terrible line is going to be bad regardless of who's coaching it sometimes. My point is When Geno falls short we hear every time well the line sucks so its not his fault. I just think if you're going to use that excuse(and its a valid one) for Geno then it applies to Grubb too. Sure it's his job to coach them up but its his first year and he didn't build this current line. I'm not sure any line coach in the league helps much here.

I think even the best OC's are often limited by poor line play and the end results aren't a good indicator of how good the OC is.

No, I do get your point. He is handcuffed by the dysfunction on the line, absolutely. That's a limit and I do build that into my evaluation of him.

My beef is just that I don't see them getting better with the fundamentals at all. Not only are they at a lower point than I thought they'd ever be at on the line and in the ground game, but I don't see anything that gives me any faith in them fixing it to our satisfaction.

Not only that, but if we can't noticeably improve down the stretch, how do we know they won't just squander the potential benefit any OL acquisitions we invest in?

 

[DarkVictory23]

Does having a bad line handicap what Grubb can do? Absolutely. That's true.

Here is where the problem comes for me. First, last year, we had a very bad offensive line. We were still the #11 team in the league by offensive efficiency. Geno was still the QB. Our skill players were still mostly the same. Our run game was also mostly absent. So, what's the big change that brings us from a near top 10 offense to a near bottom 10 offense?

The problem with saying 'Well Geno gets this as an excuse' is that Geno led our team to a top 10/near top 10 offense for two seasons straight now. Grubb hasn't.

Second, Grubb's job is to scheme an offense knowing he has a bad offensive line. He hasn't. If anything, he's schemed an offense that's leaving those guys out to dry.

When your OL is overmatched physically, what can you do to help them scheme wise? Make the defense have to think, get that extra moment of hesitation.

In both our run game and passing game, we don't do that. I think everyone is aware how often our run plays just go right up the gut. But it's actually just as bad in the passing game.

We are running near league high from shotgun and running near league lows in play action. You put those two things together and we have the most stationary pocket in the entire league. Defenders don't need to guess where Geno's going to be when the ball is snapped, we are putting him in the exact same spot every time.


Grubb is running a very college style offense. He is scheming routes to beat the guys in the second and third levels. And, hey, we are leading the league in passing yards. His routes, when we have the time to hit them, work!

But you can't ignore the front 4 of the defense like he has been. That works in college when you've got the best offensive line, but in the NFL, every team has at least one pass rush guy that will win his matchup if he never has to think about rushing to any other place on the field and doubly so when you've got a team that's regularly putting their 4th string RT out on the field.


I am not down on Grubb yet, though. It takes time and a lot of self-awareness to figure out that what has worked for you in the past may not work for you in a new situation. How we look coming out of this bye week is going to very telling.

 

[jammerhawk]

This place has a pathological need to find blame for someone for poor play by the team. Geno threw 3 critical INTs last game and that cost the team a true point swing on the first one (not 7 for the Hawks and 7 for the Rams), and no points when the team was in the deep redzone on the second and another 7 was reasonably expected. He should be the goat, and not Grubb.

For the last while DK has been the board whipping boy and now it’s Grubb or Schneider. While the team can’t run effectively that is because the OLine can’t effectively run block not on the play calling. Can JS be blamed for this? I think that’s unfair as the draft capital is being spent on the OL and the team has tried to find OL guys that can run block or have played well in the past. So who really is to blame and there the players need to stand up and take the heat as they just aren’t getting it done.

The D played pretty well for most of the game but got exposed to the pass later in the game, perhaps MM was outcoached by McVay there. The team almost overcame and the mistake made in not kicking the 3 and rather going for it on the 4th down in OT was a palpable error by MM. I thought running there was a huge big balls Pete type moment but a big mistake. Blaming Grubb there is certainly wrong.

Finally my understanding was that Grubb was MM’s choice for OC but that choice was not his first choice. Big deal, b/c at times the O looks stronger than the D looks And that is on Grubb and not MM. Last game though the D looked great until the 2nd half, but even then it looked better than it did against Buff. It will take time for MM’s scheme to be taken up properly by the D and some massaging of the roster done but I believe he will make it happen. we need to be patient and to stop the blame game.

The team has lots of young and beginning coaches on this staff, their learning curve is pretty steep at present. If we thought this would be instant gratification we were all mistaken.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

'Been On My Radar': Seahawks' Mike Macdonald Details Ryan Grubb Hire, Offensive Expectations

Ryan Grubb's offense with the Seattle Seahawks may not be exactly the same as it was at Washington, but Mike Macdonald believes his new coordinator will give the team the edge needed to compete.

www.si.com

 

[keasley45]

The O-line also hinders Grubb, but he doesn't game plan enough to minimize it. Where Pete's teams over-compensated to protect inexperienced linemen, Grubb has taken it to the opposite extreme. It took him six sacks to start bringing in extra guys in pass protection.

The o line is in part, his doing. Its matched to the approach he ran in college and he brought is O-line coach with him.

He insists on running the offense and blocking scheme he ran with Huff in college. One, it just doesnt work. Two, the line we currently have isnt suited to do what he wants.

So rather than looking at the offense he is stepping into and adapting his approach to it (the alternative is blowing the whole deal up), he just keeps on calling gameplans and coaching what he chooses.

But what can you expect from a coach who has a weapon like KW3 in the backfield but seemingly refuses to spend time devising a way to use him effectively.

 

[Seahawks fan]

Regardless who's choice it was to hire Grubb, everyone knows it's a gamble bringing in a OC from college to the nfl and both men need to accept the outcome of the hire good or bad..