Tyreke Hill and the cops

[Cyrus12]

Still waiting to hear how definitively that race played a role in this?

 

[renofox]

Hill should have been jailed for Obstruction or similar (PA v Mimms). The roided up power tripping psycho cop should have been jailed for Assault, followed by Federal charges under 18 USC 242. The rest of the Blue Line Gang should be fired for failing to control their psycho buddy. There are no good guys here. If you are pulled over, have your window down when the cop approaches and when asked questions don't just repeat "Don't knock on my window like that" six times to every question.

I do volunteer work for a group of civil rights lawyers so I see 1,000s of these videos a year. This is typical. We have a serious cop culture and training issue. We also have a huge problem with the level of idiotic narcissism among the general public.

 

[jammerhawk]

I agree with all save for the basis for the obstruction charge against Hill.

What reason did Hill give the cop to believe his safety was an issue? Yep, Hill was likely impolite and certainly uncooperative, but the officer was being officious and over aggressive.

The police officer, to me, was just putting this uppity black man in his place. Likely for the officer standard operating procedure, i.e.: racist.

I still fail to understand why Calais Campbell was handcuffed? Because he was a big scary guy, who just happened to be black?

Being a police officer is as tough job without a single doubt. Officers have to deal with many uncooperative individuals but difference in race shouldn’t factor into how the officer behaves; which in this case revealed his true nature, just another racist cop. I know it sounds like I have some anti police agenda here but it is truly not so. I know lots of tremendously patient and excellent fine police officers,but here are lots of others that are not and reveal themselves.

 

[Weadoption]

if you just comply with the cops in that moment, it generally is just a better outcome. i just don’t get dudes that don’t understand that. whether you think they have a right to detain you or not, you just cannot get combative with them it’s like a form of suicide given the perils of that job and the types of personalities that job can tend to attract.
/cptn obvious rant off

 

[hgwellz12]

A whole bootlicker circle jerk.

This whole ordeal reminds me of the teenage girl in Ohio? Pennsylvania? from about a year ago. I'm pretty sure Officer Bitchass got fired in that case, tho. Too bad he'll probably just get hired again a county or 2 over. FTP w/ a tig welder.

ETA:

 

[renofox]

I agree with all save for the basis for the obstruction charge against Hill.

What reason did Hill give the cop to believe his safety was an issue? Yep, Hill was likely impolite and certainly uncooperative, but the officer was being officious and over aggressive.

Cop approaches driver. Driver has had 20 seconds to roll down 95% tinted window and has not done so. (-1)

Cop taps gently on window. Suspect rolls down window and says "Don't knock on my window like that Don't knock on my window like that." (-3)

Cop asks "Why don't you have your seat belt on?" Suspect replies "Don't knock on my window like that Don't knock on my window like that." (-5. Mental stability question is valid at this point).

Cop replies/asks "Why you have it up like that?" Suspect replies "Don't knock on my window like that". Cop tries again "Why's it up?" Suspect replies "Don't knock on my window like that". Cop explains "I have to let you know I'm here". Suspect replies "Don't knock on my window like that". (-9 evidentiary points of deranged and hostile noncompliance). At this point, the hostile mental instability is a clear danger sign. 5 reasonable attempts at communication have been made only to be met with the same exact hostile and irrational command response uttered 7 times like a deranged lunatic. If you have ever trained in law enforcement, you know that all these physical and verbal behaviors must be analyzed as they occur, and these are all warning signs of danger.

PA v Mimms requires -0- evidentiary points required to give police the authority to issue LAWFUL commands such as "window down", "keep it down", and "step out of the vehicle". Non-compliance is a criminal Obstruction-type offense based on varying laws in all 50 states.

To continue, suspect then orders cop to write a ticket or "Do what you gotta do" and rolls the window up in the cops face. Cop taps on window and tells him to roll it down. Suspect ignores cop. Cop tells him again. 15 seconds later the window comes down and suspect says "Don't tell me what to do!" Cop orders suspect out of car and suspects starts arguing instead of complying.

And people argue that the cop went into this looking for trouble? Unbelievable. He was professional and courteous up until the point he snapped. I can understand why he snapped, but that doesn't make it right. As I posted earlier, the cop was out of line and should be charged. But if I was the supervisor on-scene, Hill would have been sitting in jail instead of playing a game. Whatever specific laws FL has, this is a slam dunk win for any rookie prosecutor who litigates v Hill.

 

[hgwellz12]

If it's supposedly a "race-based" incident, how come nobody is mentioning that the officer Hill disrespected first is Hispanic? In the Miami area, most likely there are more black and Hispanic cops than white.


It will be interesting to see Officer Brandon Tatum's take on this.

EDIT: Officer Brandon Tatum's take is HERE:

LOL. Likely Cuban. And please tell me that you don't really think that someone being Hispanic somehow excludes them from being super racist.

Also, *** Officer Brandon Tatum. He likes his boots with a little bit of Maple syrup.

 

[renofox]

The police officer, to me, was just putting this uppity black man in his place. Likely for the officer standard operating procedure, i.e.: racist.

This attitude is one of the biggest impediments to growing support for institutional reform of our broken cop culture and training methods.

People who might otherwise be swayed to support you see unfounded cries of racism and tune out your valid cop misbehavior complaints. It creates more copsuckers. This is why BLM failed - it alienated people that may have otherwise supported reforms.

You have no proof of racism. I could show you 100's of similar videos from 2024 alone that show all races of cops going psycho on all races of citizens. There may be a racial component in some cases, but the vast majority is the diseased cop culture reinforced by current academy training practices that spend the majority of training time in escalatory techniques and inculcates them as a standard response.

 

[renofox]

I still fail to understand why Calais Campbell was handcuffed? Because he was a big scary guy, who just happened to be black?

Because he was parked in the middle of a traffic lane, near an active investigation, and when told to get in his car and leave he, just like his buddy, refused to comply with LAWFUL orders? At that point the correct response was to arrest him, take him to jail, book him, and charge him. His privilege, just like his buddy, allowed him to not face the standard repercussions for his criminal actions.

 

[hgwellz12]

Because he was parked in the middle of a traffic lane, near an active investigation, and when told to get in his car and leave he, just like his buddy, refused to comply with LAWFUL orders? At that point the correct response was to arrest him, take him to jail, book him, and charge him. His privilege, just like his buddy, allowed him to not face the standard repercussions for his criminal actions.

The question is/was/always will be:

Was ANY of the officer's violent reactions to the refusal AND/OR failure to comply fast enough for their taste's REASONABLE? Not hardly.

 

[renofox]

The question is/was/always will be:

Was ANY of the officer's violent reactions to the refusal AND/OR failure to comply fast enough for their taste's REASONABLE? Not hardly.

That would depend on the jury. Most juries are intentionally filled with copsuckers. Any decent litigator would slow roll the 1st 30 seconds of the encounter and drill 'officer safety, deranged behavior by suspect' into the juries heads in a 30 minute psychologically engineered presentation, and 90%+ would end up saying that it's all on Hill. They would excuse the psycho cop because 'he feared for his life'. Happens in almost every case.

Mr. Bryan (TCRL) knows this. He also knows he is on a legitimate crusade and must tailor his reporting to try and gain an audience to spread the word. I highly doubt he would take this case even if it happened in WV, his sole area of practice.

edit p.s. I didn't answer your question directly so let me add: As stated earlier, I view the cop as a roided up power tripping psycho who should have been jailed for assault. Although the case against Hill for Obstruction is a slam dunk, the case against the cop would be much harder to prosecute, but a 5%er would have a good chance of getting a conviction. This case is also a good candidate for both 42 USC 1983 and 42 USC 1985 civil suits. If Hill wants change, he needs to move forward with civil suits demanding no $ but revocation of certification for all involved officers.

 

[renofox]

I'm surprised nobody's posted this yet. Someone needs to send it to Hill.

 

[knownone]

The question is/was/always will be:

Was ANY of the officer's violent reactions to the refusal AND/OR failure to comply fast enough for their taste's REASONABLE? Not hardly.

I can't take the lawyer in the video seriously. On the one hand, he downplays Hill's speeding, while on the other, he says the officer carelessly disregards traffic safety rules in his attempt to pull him over. How do you square that circle?

I don't think the officer would lose a case on reasonability. Hill was defensive from the start, arguing with the officer for knocking on his window. He's not only failing to comply, but he's also disrespectful—talking on his phone, etc. And look, being famous doesn't give you a right to disregard a lawful order. So, the lawyer can make that argument, but his attempt to 'stick to the facts' somehow contains more opinion than fact.

The real question here is whether the force was excessive—not the steps that led to it. That's where I think the officer might get in trouble.

 

[Cyrus12]

I agree with all save for the basis for the obstruction charge against Hill.

What reason did Hill give the cop to believe his safety was an issue? Yep, Hill was likely impolite and certainly uncooperative, but the officer was being officious and over aggressive.

The police officer, to me, was just putting this uppity black man in his place. Likely for the officer standard operating procedure, i.e.: racist.

I still fail to understand why Calais Campbell was handcuffed? Because he was a big scary guy, who just happened to be black?

Being a police officer is as tough job without a single doubt. Officers have to deal with many uncooperative individuals but difference in race shouldn’t factor into how the officer behaves; which in this case revealed his true nature, just another racist cop. I know it sounds like I have some anti police agenda here but it is truly not so. I know lots of tremendously patient and excellent fine police officers,but here are lots of others that are not and reveal themselves.

Ok how can you say for sure because Hill was black that he got treated this way and it's racism? What if it was an uppity white guy driving the Lamborghini?

 

[Torc]

The real question here is whether the force was excessive—not the steps that led to it. That's where I think the officer might get in trouble.

I agree, this is an interesting question.

What criteria would be used to define "excessive" force, besides "the mean officer talked loud and looked scary"?

The officers didn't pull out any kind of weapon.

Hill suffered no injury (his ego doesn't count), and was healthy enough to catch 7 passes for 130 yards a few hours after the incident. The team didn't disclose any injury in the pregame report.

Where, exactly, was the force "excessive"?

 

[rcaido]

This is scary or is this already the norm? Getting dragged out of your car and put face first in pavement getting handcuffed for a traffic violation. Bootlickers will see the video and all they will say is why didn't he comply. They gave him 12seconds to comply. He didn't receive any injury so where is the excessive force...

 

[Torc]

This is scary or is this already the norm? Getting dragged out of your car and put face first in pavement getting handcuffed for a traffic violation. Bootlickers will see the video and all they will say is why didn't he comply. They gave him 12seconds to comply. He didn't receive any injury so where is the excessive force...

Again. NOT FOR A TRAFFIC VIOLATION. He refused to follow instructions. Twelve seconds is plenty of time to see whether he has any intention of complying.

Go easy on the bootlicker comments, will you? We're mostly trying to have a civilized discussion, and the notion that if someone disagrees with you it's because they must be a bootlicker is not conducive to such a conversation.

 

[renofox]

This is scary or is this already the norm? Getting dragged out of your car and put face first in pavement getting handcuffed for a traffic violation. Bootlickers will see the video and all they will say is why didn't he comply. They gave him 12seconds to comply. He didn't receive any injury so where is the excessive force...

This is a much more common occurrence than it should be. SCOTUS made decisions in PA v Mimms and Terry v OH that need to be overturned. They basically authorize cops to act like this. The entire system supports this, most annoyingly jurors. Most public sector attorneys won't touch civil rights cases because you go broke that way.

The only way change will occur is grassroots organization at a local level. Cops need to be retrained as soon as they leave the academy, and psychos need to have certification revoked instead of just letting them go to the next town over.

Don't excuse Hill. He should have been jailed. His privilege allowed him to avoid the consequences that any middle-class or lower person of any color would have received.

 

[uncle fester]

For those wanting to take a bigger picture angle on this

Anyone know of a co-worker suspended six times and still in the same job?

Report: Officer who detained Tyreek Hill has been suspended six times

In the days following his detainment by Miami-Dade police before the Week 1 game against the Jaguars, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill has tried to balance a desire for conciliation with a call for accountability.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Cyrus12]

For those wanting to take a bigger picture angle on this

Anyone know of a co-worker suspended six times and still in the same job?

Report: Officer who detained Tyreek Hill has been suspended six times

In the days following his detainment by Miami-Dade police before the Week 1 game against the Jaguars, Dolphins receiver Tyreek Hill has tried to balance a desire for conciliation with a call for accountability.

www.nbcsports.com

Randy Gregory?