Tyreke Hill and the cops

[RolandDeschain]

I guess if you pull a dude in a McLaren over outside the stadium it's a pretty good bet that he's a player....but I wouldn't recognize more than a handful of players out of uniform on the Seahawks.

I'm not defending the cops here, but a couple of points I'd like to make about this. First of all, the Miami / greater South Florida region is more into soccer than football, and second of all, you have NO IDEA how many rich people are driving around in supercars around here. Even literally right next to the stadium, you can't assume it's a player. It's nothing like Seattle, you'll park in between a friggin' Bugatti and a Lamborghini at a Whole Foods around here sometimes. (I live in Miami.)

 

[Ycrew]

Bottom line he was speeding and going 80-100 mph on a 45-55 mph construction speed zone.

If I was driving 100 mph I would had been arrested and not be playing in a game.

ESPN has not shown the beginning of the tape and that upsets me because the whole narrative was how the cops treat Hill.

And for Tyrese to say what if I wasn’t Tyrese Hill what would had happen? You would be in jail but because you are a professional athlete I guess you can get away with it.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Bottom line he was speeding and going 80-100 mph on a 45-55 mph construction speed zone.

If I was driving 100 mph I would had been arrested and not be playing in a game.

ESPN has not shown the beginning of the tape and that upsets me because the whole narrative was how the cops treat Hill.

And for Tyrese to say what if I wasn’t Tyrese Hill what would had happen? You would be in jail but because you are a professional athlete I guess you can get away with it.

Another point to add...Florida State Patrol and Miami PD aren't bitches about speeding like they are in Seattle/the northwest. I've made the drive to/from Orlando and Miami a dozen times in the last four years, and more than half of those times, I've been able to FOLLOW a Florida State Trooper going 17-25 over the speed limit. Half of the Florida Turnpike stretch between Miami and Orlando has a speed limit of 75. Again, I'm not defending the cops here, but going 80-100 in a 45-55 zone around Miami is not the same as doing it in Seattle. LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) in Florida seem to care much more about dangerous / reckless driving, rather than pure speeding staying in one lane and not actually doing anything dangerous, which I viscerally agree with as a general rule.

 

[jammerhawk]

Calais Campbell was handcuffed by Miami Dade police for speaking to the police intervening to try to calm the situation which had resulted in Tyreek HIll being euphemistically handcuffed and "redirected" to the ground for a speeding ticket, a speeding ticket. Why was that? Was it simply just racial profiling or simply institutional racism? Calais Campbell is an excellent human being, fine citizen, and a former NFL man of the year.

Sure smells wrong to me by any sniff test and once again seems to me, a honky, to just be another out of control place face and another case of driving while black with it's predictable results. I'm a former prosecutor, federal agent, and a defence counsel and this situation stinks of extreme overreaction.

Just saying.

Racism still remains institutionalized and underlies a great deal of every police misthinking, overreaction, and often sensational misconduct.

 

[Cyrus12]

So a white guy doing the same as Tyreek doesn't get put on the ground? Where can you absolutely clearly see that race played a role? Maybe these guys are just hot headed goons and they would of done it to anyone?

 

[Torc]

Calais Campbell was handcuffed by Miami Dade police for speaking to the police intervening to try to calm the situation which had resulted in Tyreek HIll being euphemistically handcuffed and "redirected" to the ground for a speeding ticket, a speeding ticket. Why was that? Was it simply just racial profiling or simply institutional racism? Calais Campbell is an excellent human being, fine citizen, and a former NFL man of the year.

Sure smells wrong to me by any sniff test and once again seems to me, a honky, to just be another out of control place face and another case of driving while black with it's predictable results. I'm a former prosecutor, federal agent, and a defence counsel and this situation stinks of extreme overreaction.

Just saying.

Racism still remains institutionalized and underlies a great deal of every police misthinking, overreaction, and often sensational misconduct.

Tyreek WAS NOT handcuffed for speeding. Had he kept his window open and provided the requested documents, he would have gotten a ticket and been sent on his way. He was handcuffed because he wasn't complying with the legal requests from the officers, and rolling up the window caused the officers to be concerned for their safety. (from the quoted article below: "Any suspicious movement could be construed as dangerous and the officer is obligated to respond in kind." Note the word "obligated".)

Calais Campbell had ZERO business stopping to talk to the police who were already engaged with another person. He actually increased the risk to Hill because the cops didn't know who he was, why he was stopping, whether he was armed as he approached them, and what his intentions were. That actually encourages them to make sure the person they have in custody is MORE securely held while officers deal with the unknown person approaching.

My brother (a lily white dude) was once pulled over while driving a car with a broken glove box. His registration was under the passenger seat. The cop stopped behind him, and through the rear window saw him take off his seatbelt and lean over to get something from under the seat beside him. When he sat up, the cop was at the window, pulled him through it, threw him face first on the hood of the car and cuffed him. Because he had NO IDEA what my brother was grabbing from under the seat and it could have easily been a weapon.

Providing ID and following instructions is REQUIRED by Florida state law when you're pulled over:

#2. Comply with Instructions​

Before the officer arrives at the window, turn off the car and roll the windows down. Turn on the inner lights if it is dark and make sure to place your hands on the steering wheel. These actions will show a willingness to cooperate and assuages any suspicions of the officer. Do not exit your vehicle unless asked to do so. This is for safety reasons.

On request, present the driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance. Florida law requires that these documents be always available when driving.

Move slowly and avoid making sudden movements. This is not the time to start rummaging through a bag or glove compartment. If you need to make any such searches, notify the officer.

If the area is dark, the officer will track movement with a flashlight. Any suspicious movement could be construed as dangerous and the officer is obligated to respond in kind.

While the officer checks the presented documents, keep both hands in visible sight on the steering wheel.

Drivers who refuse to obey a police officer’s instructions are at risk of violating Florida State Law 316.072 (3). The law makes it a second-degree misdemeanor to willfully refuse to comply with lawful orders given by a law enforcement officer.

A conviction under this offense could result in up to 60 days’ imprisonment. Therefore, if you are charged with the offense, your first call should be to a Polk County Criminal Defense Attorney.

 

[rcaido]

Tyreek WAS NOT handcuffed for speeding. Had he kept his window open and provided the requested documents, he would have gotten a ticket and been sent on his way. He was handcuffed because he wasn't complying with the legal requests from the officers, and rolling up the window caused the officers to be concerned for their safety. (from the quoted article below: "Any suspicious movement could be construed as dangerous and the officer is obligated to respond in kind." Note the word "obligated".)

Calais Campbell had ZERO business stopping to talk to the police who were already engaged with another person. He actually increased the risk to Hill because the cops didn't know who he was, why he was stopping, whether he was armed as he approached them, and what his intentions were. That actually encourages them to make sure the person they have in custody is MORE securely held while officers deal with the unknown person approaching.

My brother (a lily white dude) was once pulled over while driving a car with a broken glove box. His registration was under the passenger seat. The cop stopped behind him, and through the rear window saw him take off his seatbelt and lean over to get something from under the seat beside him. When he sat up, the cop was at the window, pulled him through it, threw him face first on the hood of the car and cuffed him. Because he had NO IDEA what my brother was grabbing from under the seat and it could have easily been a weapon.

Providing ID and following instructions is REQUIRED by Florida state law when you're pulled over:

Did you watch the video? First of all he was not going 100pmh, he got pulled over a "visual" estimate of 60mph and even that was debatable. He also provided his ID & registration/insurance as the cop clearly was holding on to it. He put his window up which isn't against the law. The cops in video showed they had no fear at all but their feelings being hurt. So dont give me that cop fear for the life of the window being up. He also had the window up of a total of 15seconds, while still talking to the officer. The officer also could visually see him as i can visually see Tyreek in the video. They drag him out of the car while they say he wasn't complying to get out of the car. but as the video shows, they didn't give that much time either. At 2:14sec they told him to get out of the car, 2:26 they start dragging him out, that's a total of 12seconds. The cops are suppose to deescalate the situation, not escalate it. Their feeling were hurt, easy lawsuit.



*edit* Also, you know they be bad when he ask the superior cop if he should mute his mic. LOL.

 

[olyfan63]

Did you watch the video? First of all he was not going 100pmh, he got pulled over a "visual" estimate of 60mph and even that was debatable. He also provided his ID & registration/insurance as the cop clearly was holding on to it. He put his window up which isn't against the law. The cops in video showed they had no fear at all but their feelings being hurt. So dont give me that cop fear for the life of the window being up. He also had the window up of a total of 15seconds, while still talking to the officer. The officer also could visually see him as i can visually see Tyreek in the video. They drag him out of the car while they say he wasn't complying to get out of the car. but as the video shows, they didn't give that much time either. At 2:14sec they told him to get out of the car, 2:26 they start dragging him out, that's a total of 12seconds. The cops are suppose to deescalate the situation, not escalate it. Their feeling were hurt, easy lawsuit.



*edit* Also, you know they be bad when he ask the superior cop if he should mute his mic. LOL.

Watch Officer Tatum's video analysis of the incident, including Hill's speeding car. Florida cops' motto, not just Miami, could be "Act like a punk, become our bitch".
Those Hispanic officers will make you their bitch if you act like an entitled punk and refuse to follow their lawful orders. Yes, what Tyreke did was *against the law*.

Then Tyreke goes on to whine, "my knee, my knee" as if sitting on the curb was somehow more of a risk than playing in the extremely violent NFL game.
The officers no doubt have Hill on radar and know his actual speed. Hint: it wasn't 60mph. It no doubt passed into "Reckless Driving" territory, not mere "Speeding".
Then Hill goes on TV and LIES that he "has no idea why" the cops pulled him over and cuffed him and put him on the ground.
Lawsuit? Good luck, if it gains any traction there will be THOUSANDS of other "victims" of law enforcement "zealous action", of all races, lining up who have a better case.
Hill should go on TV and thank the officers for getting his attention and keeping him from becoming the next Henry Ruggs.

Hill has revealed himself as a sociopathic liar. Lucky for him he can play football at an NFL all-pro level.

 

[rcaido]

Watch Officer Tatum's video analysis of the incident, including Hill's speeding car. Florida cops' motto, not just Miami, could be "Act like a punk, become our bitch".
Those Hispanic officers will make you their bitch if you act like an entitled punk and refuse to follow their lawful orders. Yes, what Tyreke did was *against the law*.

Then Tyreke goes on to whine, "my knee, my knee" as if sitting on the curb was somehow more of a risk than playing in the extremely violent NFL game.
The officers no doubt have Hill on radar and know his actual speed. Hint: it wasn't 60mph. It no doubt passed into "Reckless Driving" territory, not mere "Speeding".
Then Hill goes on TV and LIES that he "has no idea why" the cops pulled him over and cuffed him and put him on the ground.
Lawsuit? Good luck, if it gains any traction there will be THOUSANDS of other "victims" of law enforcement "zealous action", of all races, lining up who have a better case.
Hill should go on TV and thank the officers for getting his attention and keeping him from becoming the next Henry Ruggs.

Hill has revealed himself as a sociopathic liar. Lucky for him he can play football at an NFL all-pro level.

You actually believe that's a great moto for cops to abuse their position? That right there is definition of a bootlicker. You cant just have a power trip when your feelings get hurt. The officer got him going visual 60mph, that's what the cops said & that was what was on his ticker along w/ no seatbelt...Why would you say something else? He gave his license and registration. Its traffic violation, just write it be done with it. You dont need the whole police force to write a ticket.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Hill should have probably kept his window down but the cops dialed that up to 100. Pretty sure one of them kicks him on the ground as well. Campbell also looks like he did nothing wrong, guessing they were just scared of a 6ft 9 dude standing by.

 

[knownone]

Some people don't seem to understand who has the authority in this situation. This isn't Starbucks. If a police officer gives you a direct order, whether to keep your window down or to step out of the car, failure to comply is almost always seen as an escalation. It doesn't matter if your actions are legal or if you think the cop is not scared, overreacting, or whatever. All that matters is that you were given a legal order, and the cop has a justifiable reason to issue one.

As for Campbell, he's parked in the middle of the street and interfering with the stop. His getting detained is the least surprising element of this story.

 

[Torc]

Hill should have probably kept his window down but the cops dialed that up to 100. Pretty sure one of them kicks him on the ground as well. Campbell also looks like he did nothing wrong, guessing they were just scared of a 6ft 9 dude standing by.

I'll give a mea culpa - I saw several tweets of the 100mph number and assumed that it had been released. The official report says 60 mph, estimated visually. The report also says that there were numerous cars and pedestrians (makes sense, near the stadium...) and that was probably the reason for the "careless driving" citation.

Campbell indeed did nothing wrong.....except stopping and approaching officers who were already in a tense situation with someone. They may very well have been scared of some 6 foot 9 rando stopping and walking towards them - that's all they knew at the time.

Again, traffic stops are a high risk situation for a cop. Shootings during traffic stops are the second leading cause of death for cops.

 

[olyfan63]

You actually believe that's a great moto for cops to abuse their position? That right there is definition of a bootlicker. You cant just have a power trip when your feelings get hurt. The officer got him going visual 60mph, that's what the cops said & that was what was on his ticker along w/ no seatbelt...Why would you say something else? He gave his license and registration. Its traffic violation, just write it be done with it. You dont need the whole police force to write a ticket.

Definition of a jock-licker: All famous jocks, especially if they're your preferred ethnicity, are "always right" and always get a free pass from the cops?
Stop with the bloviating crap already. If the cops judge that its reckless driving, 60 or 160, they're going to stop the car.
So Henry Ruggs is your hero? Jalen Carter? For Hill it's OK since the jock didn't cause any deaths--yet?

Hill escalated the situation by willfully disobeying a lawful order that is an officer safety issue, potentially a matter of life and death. Lots of cops have been shot by motorists who first refuse lawful orders. Maybe learn the difference between a real out-of-control cop, and learn to have some empathy for what cops have to deal with on a daily, even hourly basis. Sure, the cop was mildly hotheaded after Hill yanked his chain multiple times. All Hill had to do was comply calmly with lawful orders, and it's a 2-minute non-event, doesn't have to get out of his car. But Tyreek Hill apparently thinks he's above the law, not subject to the authority of such peons as cops.

 

[SPOHAWK]

Roll down your window, problem solved...not everyone knows Hill....entitled brat "Who you are" that's the play he seemed to make here...

 

[SPOHAWK]

Maybe he gets it now...

“I will say I could have been better,” Hill said. “I could have let down my window in that instance. The thing about me is, I don’t want attention. I don’t want to be, like, cameras out, phones on you in that moment but, at the end of the day, I’m human. I’ve gotta follow rules. I gotta do what everyone else would do.

 

[rcaido]

Some people don't seem to understand who has the authority in this situation. This isn't Starbucks. If a police officer gives you a direct order, whether to keep your window down or to step out of the car, failure to comply is almost always seen as an escalation. It doesn't matter if your actions are legal or if you think the cop is not scared, overreacting, or whatever. All that matters is that you were given a legal order, and the cop has a justifiable reason to issue one.

As for Campbell, he's parked in the middle of the street and interfering with the stop. His getting detained is the least surprising element of this story.

So 15seconds to roll your window (not lawful order) but he did roll it back down. He already has his license, doesn't need anything else. Cop did not seem threaten by Hill at all. Feelings hurt, now wants to escalate it.
12 seconds after asking Hill to comeout, they decided to grab him out of his car without even giving him a chance to get out of the car.

Definition of a jock-licker: All famous jocks, especially if they're your preferred ethnicity, are "always right" and always get a free pass from the cops?
Stop with the bloviating crap already. If the cops judge that its reckless driving, 60 or 160, they're going to stop the car.
So Henry Ruggs is your hero? Jalen Carter? For Hill it's OK since the jock didn't cause any deaths--yet?

Hill escalated the situation by willfully disobeying a lawful order that is an officer safety issue, potentially a matter of life and death. Lots of cops have been shot by motorists who first refuse lawful orders. Maybe learn the difference between a real out-of-control cop, and learn to have some empathy for what cops have to deal with on a daily, even hourly basis. Sure, the cop was mildly hotheaded after Hill yanked his chain multiple times. All Hill had to do was comply calmly with lawful orders, and it's a 2-minute non-event, doesn't have to get out of his car. But Tyreek Hill apparently thinks he's above the law, not subject to the authority of such peons as cops.

When athlete for example our own Seahawks are out of line, i call them out on it. Geno, Lynch & Sherman are idiots for drinking and driving. Hill from what i read is a piece of shit person and probably deserved this. During the stop he was slightly being a punk, but this doesn't give cops the right to go on a power trip. Cops are trained to deescalate the situation. They are paid to be professionals.

 

[Torc]

So 15seconds to roll your window (not lawful order) but he did roll it back down. He already has his license, doesn't need anything else. Cop did not seem threaten by Hill at all. Feelings hurt, now wants to escalate it.
12 seconds after asking Hill to comeout, they decided to grab him out of his car without even giving him a chance to get out of the car.

When athlete for example our own Seahawks are out of line, i call them out on it. Geno, Lynch & Sherman are idiots for drinking and driving. Hill from what i read is a piece of shit person and probably deserved this. During the stop he was slightly being a punk, but this doesn't give cops the right to go on a power trip. Cops are trained to deescalate the situation. They are paid to be professionals.

Here's the relevant Florida statute:

(3) OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer as described in s. 316.640, traffic infraction enforcement officer as described in s. 316.640, or member of the fire department at the scene of a fire, rescue operation, or other emergency.

If "roll down your window" is a lawful order, then Hill was breaking the law. There's a decent article about what constitutes a lawful order here. TLDR: It isn't well defined in pretty much any state and it would be up to a court. I have a really hard time seeing anyone win a case that "roll down your window" isn't a lawful order - it's a reasonable expectation to allow the necessary interaction between cop and driver. Especially when the window is heavily tinted.


Agreed on our Hawks. Throw the book at anyone who stupidly breaks the law.

 

[Crizilla]

Both parties are at fault. Hill should have listened to the police officers, who told him several times to keep his window rolled down. This is painfully obvious in the video. Failure to comply with direct orders is always seen as an escalation. The officers should have been more lenient once Hill was out of the car and clearly more aloof than defensive.

While it was obviously a scary situation for Hill, it doesn't seem motivated by anything nefarious.

No bro, we must take one side only and go crazy! (Jk). Dude was pulled over for speeding. Man up and take the ticket. I saw some bozo speeding and almost ran onto the sidewalk yesterday.

 

[Raifers]

I watched til they pulled him out of the car. Maybe what the rest later. At no time did he have his hands on the steering wheel to listen and do what his uncle told him. He was combative with the officer from the beginning. The cop even opened the door for him and he still didn’t make an attempt to get out. He said he was getting out and did not move at all. He’s the one over exaggerating saying that he was getting arrested. The cop just wanted him to get out of the car. I would be scared of aloofness. What if they’re on something and do something crazy?

 

[jammerhawk]

There seems to be a lot off rationalization for the police overreaction here.

To me, this seems to be another driving while black situation, and police overreaction. In the end there is little doubt Tyreke Hill was not immediately cooperative but the use of force casually described as redirecting him to the ground then standing on him was uncalled for, he was handcuffed.

Explain away the need to handcuff Calais Campbell, that is confirmation of the police overreaction.He of anyone there has a civil claim against the police for arbitrary detention. he was detained for trying to deescalate the situation.

Racism by the police is something consistent throughout the country and it’s rare that it is kept in control. Ask folks from communities of colour.