The Danger Of Overpaying Quarterbacks

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My point being is that we are about to overpay a wide receiver who will get maybe 6 targets a game yet everyone is flipping out about paying the most important position in the game by FAR AND A WAY. Seems kind of hypocritical to criticize paying a QB yet on the other hand wanting to pay a really good receiver a mass contract when he hardly touches the ball and your QB's stink.
Its a waste of cap space.
When they moved on from Russ they should have moved on from D.K. and got draft capital for him. Go back to the days of finding undrafted receivers like Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse and spend elswhere.
This makes sense to people who are making a decision not to think long-term, sure, but even the run-heaviest teams in the league pass about 50% of of the time. Your "six targets a game" exaggeration doesn't really make much sense when looking at the actual numbers.

Locking up a superstar long-term is a good thing. They're obviously going to attempt to acquire a quarterback next year. You don't just let game breaking talent walk because "grrrr they didn't pay Russ 😡😡😡 grrrr"
 

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Even if you want to argue frequency the Seahawks are below league average(19th is below league median). So your making my point. And yes throwing 24 times a game verses 35 which is league average is a pretty big difference. At max D.K. will be getting 6 7 targets a game. Probably he will get more like 4 or 5.
Spending 25 mill a year on 5 targets a game (from poor QB's) is cap space poorly spent..
 

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Even if you want to argue frequency the Seahawks are below league average(19th is below league median). So your making my point. And yes throwing 24 times a game verses 35 which is league average is a pretty big difference. At max D.K. will be getting 6 7 targets a game. Probably he will get more like 4 or 5.
Spending 25 mill a year on 5 targets a game (from poor QB's) is cap space poorly spent..
It's pretty clearly proving my point, which is that they pass at a pretty average rate. 19th is pretty damn average, guy. You claimed they were "well below average" in terms of how pass-heavy they were, which is completely false.

Perhaps if you'd actually looked these things up, I wouldn't have to waste time correcting the record.

Yet again, you're not even attempting to look at the future. The world isn't ending in 2022. Furthermore, you seem to completely miss the fact that Carroll generally makes an effort to run a balanced and complementary offense.

Again, you simply don't let talent like that walk for... whatever half-baked logic the math above is trying to represent.

If they can sustain drives, they'll pass more. Because they'll be on the field more. DK being gone does not help them stay on the field, and it doesn't improve their future outlook. They're going to get something done unless he prices himself out of range and a great deal comes along.
 

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24 times a game verses 35 times is a large difference. I would argue that gap gets larger without Russ starting. Again 5 to 7 targets max a game for 25 mill per year. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially if you argue that over paying QB's costs your team.
 

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Comparison...the Cowboys threw the ball 150 more times then the Seahawks. Wilson averages about 28 throw attempts per game. That's about 5 games worth of passes. I agree its stupid to pay 2 WRs close to 50million if you dont have a solid QB to throw it to them or not really a high passing team. We are not going to win games the next 5 years w/ DK, get some more draft capital now when he is worth something. Spend the money on the o-line & pass rusher.
 

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It will be interesting to see what the Ravens and Cardinals do at the QB position moving forward? Do the Ravens pay L. Jackson? And what contract will be enough to shimmer down a frustrated K. Murray for Arizona?

It seems the league is due for a huge change because the cap costs for QBs outpacing the budgets teams have for team building. Even if you draft on point, discover undrafted free agents, and find some UFA bargains it may still not be enough to field a complete team if QBs are demanding huge chunks of cap space.

Of course what is really driving the pressure up is that WRs are commanding big money as well.

So some NFL teams are choosing QB's over WRs when handing out mega contracts. Or giving out mega contracts to WRs over QBs which I find fascinating. On one hand, a rookie QB on a five year deal is a very, very good deal if they can play at the NFL level with competency. The flipside is that finding WRs that can play in the NFL beyond the first round is very common now and why some teams are not ready to hand out mega contracts to WRs.
 

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Comparison...the Cowboys threw the ball 150 more times then the Seahawks. Wilson averages about 28 throw attempts per game. That's about 5 games worth of passes. I agree its stupid to pay 2 WRs close to 50million if you dont have a solid QB to throw it to them or not really a high passing team. We are not going to win games the next 5 years w/ DK, get some more draft capital now when he is worth something. Spend the money on the o-line & pass rusher.

I think you're right about paying 2 wrs close to 50 mil combined, but I think they locked Tyler down to appease Russ. Tyler was his no 1, was always where he needed him to be, and was his security blanket. I know his deal is team friendly, but I wonder if they'd have done it if they could see for certain what the end of the season would bring. I also think they'd have entertained moving him if the right offer came along. So could also have been a sign and trade kind of deal.

But I don't think you move DK. The guy is a beast doesn't seem to be selfish, and possesses that intangible fire and competitive spirit that Lynch brought the offense. That alone is worth the premium to keep him here.

He's a dog.
 
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It's pretty clearly proving my point, which is that they pass at a pretty average rate. 19th is pretty damn average, guy. You claimed they were "well below average" in terms of how pass-heavy they were, which is completely false.

Perhaps if you'd actually looked these things up, I wouldn't have to waste time correcting the record.

Yet again, you're not even attempting to look at the future. The world isn't ending in 2022. Furthermore, you seem to completely miss the fact that Carroll generally makes an effort to run a balanced and complementary offense.

Again, you simply don't let talent like that walk for... whatever half-baked logic the math above is trying to represent.

If they can sustain drives, they'll pass more. Because they'll be on the field more. DK being gone does not help them stay on the field, and it doesn't improve their future outlook. They're going to get something done unless he prices himself out of range and a great deal comes along.
I think you nailed it with if "they can sustain drives, they'll pass more, because they'll be on the field more". But that wasn't the priority dude, the priority was high light wheel throws that guarantees to be featured on national TV, why is that a priority? TRADE VALUE AND NAME RECOGNITION.
 

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24 times a game verses 35 times is a large difference. I would argue that gap gets larger without Russ starting. Again 5 to 7 targets max a game for 25 mill per year. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially if you argue that over paying QB's costs your team.
I'm not really arguing that paying quarterbacks is bad. I would argue, however, that paying Russ a league-leading contract would have been bad practice, as he's a fundamentally flawed quarterback that is probably 8-12th best in the league, and he'll decline further as he continues into his 30s.

If they draft a quarterback who ends up being as good, but is better at playing within structure, then sure - go for it. But 33 year old Russ with diminished speed and a complete reliance on the deep ball?

Burrow, Herbert, Mahomes, Allen... Those guys are worth it right now. Watson would be if he wasn't nutting on masseuses.
 

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I'm not really arguing that paying quarterbacks is bad. I would argue, however, that paying Russ a league-leading contract would have been bad practice, as he's a fundamentally flawed quarterback that is probably 8-12th best in the league, and he'll decline further as he continues into his 30s.

If they draft a quarterback who ends up being as good, but is better at playing within structure, then sure - go for it. But 33 year old Russ with diminished speed and a complete reliance on the deep ball?

Burrow, Herbert, Mahomes, Allen... Those guys are worth it right now. Watson would be if he wasn't nutting on masseuses.
Which 11 QBs are better then Wilson?
 

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Which 11 QBs are better then Wilson?
Rodgers, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Jackson, Stafford, and Prescott are the quarterbacks I'd take before Wilson (or, at least, I'd consider to be AS good at this stage in his career.)
 
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Rodgers, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Jackson, Stafford, and Prescott are the quarterbacks I'd take before Wilson (or, at least, I'd consider to be AS good at this stage in his career.)
So you are with Golden Tate that Stafford better than Wilson? I always thought Golden wasn't serious when he said that .... may be he was?
 

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We FINALLY have QBs that are willing and able to throw to all parts of the field, and some of you are arguing about limiting their chances to accel by removing one of their best weapons. Are you really that scared that they will outdo Wilson this season that you want the Seahawks to be in a worse position offensively?
 

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Rodgers, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Jackson, Stafford, and Prescott are the quarterbacks I'd take before Wilson (or, at least, I'd consider to be AS good at this stage in his career.)
Wait no Geno on that list?
 

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Well just saying, i think Wilson is a top 3 QB this season...Will probably be fighting it out against Allen & Stafford for the MVP. I know never go against the GOAT but i think Brady will struggle a bit. Rodgers & Mahomes will not have their top #1 WR. Burrows & Herbert are still unproven, they both wont make the playoffs this season. Prescot & Jackson are just not better QB then Wilson period. Watson will be suspended.
 
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Well just saying, i think Wilson is a top 3 QB this season...Will probably be fighting it out against Allen & Stafford for the MVP. I know never go against the GOAT but i think Brady will struggle a bit. Rodgers & Mahomes will not have their top #1 WR. Burrows & Herbert are still unproven, they both wont make the playoffs this season. Prescot & Jackson are just not better QB then Wilson period. Watson will be suspended.
#1, Allen didn't have the arm, the leg, and Allen never visited children's hospital. Stafford? Unless you are Golden Tate, no one else will accept Stafford and Russ belong in the same sentence.

Fighting out with Allen and Stafford for MVP is an insult to Unlimted.
 

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Well just saying, i think Wilson is a top 3 QB this season...Will probably be fighting it out against Allen & Stafford for the MVP. I know never go against the GOAT but i think Brady will struggle a bit. Rodgers & Mahomes will not have their top #1 WR. Burrows & Herbert are still unproven, they both wont make the playoffs this season. Prescot & Jackson are just not better QB then Wilson period. Watson will be suspended.
Me being the Seahawk fan want to agree with top 3 but reality tells me somewhere in the 8-10 category. He's overweight and too short. We got his best years out of him. Thanks Russ have a comfortable life.
rcaido, I'm agreeing with most of your post but, I kinda like the Chargers and I think Herbert will make the playoffs and Denver won't.
God, I can't wait to see all these new looks!
 

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Well just saying, i think Wilson is a top 3 QB this season...Will probably be fighting it out against Allen & Stafford for the MVP. I know never go against the GOAT but i think Brady will struggle a bit. Rodgers & Mahomes will not have their top #1 WR. Burrows & Herbert are still unproven, they both wont make the playoffs this season. Prescot & Jackson are just not better QB then Wilson period. Watson will be suspended.
I think the most interesting development that could potentially present itself this season is Wilson has his best statistical year, is in the MVP talk or maybe even wins, but the Broncos win 9 or 10 games and don't make the playoffs. I know, can't win MVP if you're not in the playoffs, but if he has a year like that it'd be tough to overlook. They won 7 games last year so is that a successful trade? What happens if it the OLine feels blamed for a week 17 loss? Does he get his 50MM contract? Are Wilson jerseys the hottest sellers in the league or are they burning them in the parking lot? Intriguing... I'm kind of starting to look forward to the season....
 
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