Supporting the Quarterback.

[toffee]

Youtuber Brendon Nelson's opinion on Geno Smith,



Do you agree with him?

 

[knownone]

Yeah. I agree with him. He's making the same arguments nerds have been making about Geno for 3 years. Unfortunately, many people in our fanbase don't care about numbers. They want to see results on the field. And Geno is the easiest person to blame for what is happening on offense.

The Hawkblogger comment probably deserves its own thread. Geno's pressure splits, and his comparison to the rest of the league is jarring.

 

[keasley45]

Youtuber Brendon Nelson's opinion on Geno Smith,



Do you agree with him?

How can you not agree with him. I've said the exact same things he has for 2.5 years now... that there isnt a QB in the league that does more with less. No run game. No o line. No defense.

And he still finished 12th.

Yet when he gets protection, he's a top 5 player at his position.

But those who chose to see him as a backup will never see anything else.

He had a ball that was intercepted because his arm was hit.

He had a ball that was picked because his receiever was held.

He has had ints because his star receiver mails in the route.

And above all, he's made mistakes bevause he is the most pressured QB in the league. And not by his own doing.

And he is still the only offense we have.

But if he makes mistakes, (and how can he be expected to not make mistakes when he has no No1 wr, no RT, poor protection overall, and no run game to help keep defenses off balance), it all goes straught to the 'i told you so' threads.

The video shows it. When he is protected, he is a top 5 passer. When he is not, he is a top 13 passer. On what universe does that translate to 'average qb'?

And he is a top 5 player with protection and NO running game. How much better would he be than 5th if we had ANY semblance of a rush game?

 

[GemCity]

It’s easy to fall into the trap of just blaming it on the QB.

Geno is human and will make mistakes…they all do. But, I do believe he’s a solid QB who’s weaknesses are magnified behind this particular line.

It’s hardly ever a singular, easily defined answer. We sometimes overlook play-calling too…Like Keasley mentioned, how easy is it for defenses when they assume we’re going to be pass heavy? Even if you average 2 yards a rush, you still run the damn ball at a much higher rate than we do.

Geno has had his bad moments. Moments where he looks like NY Jet Geno. But, I’m not willing to throw in the towel on him yet.

Doesn’t mean I won’t go off in Gameday forums and say something like “RELEASE THIS BUM”…

I want to see him behind a decent O-line. Hell, even just an average line…with a balanced distribution of runs and passes

Typed this between red lights…apologies if it’s all over the place.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Yes, the ever present circle of never blaming anyone. That led to 3 playoff wins in 9 (soon to be 10) years. But hey, you do you.

 

[toffee]

Yes, the ever present circle of never blaming anyone. That led to 3 playoff wins in 9 (soon to be 10) years. But hey, you do you.

Never blaming anyone? This forum is blaming someone every day, in multiple threads.

 

[Natethegreat]

Great QBs lift their team around them. Good QBs can flourish under perfect conditions. That's the category that Geno is in. Much like Jared Goff. Big arm and plays great with an awesome o line and good run game.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Not the biggest Geno fan but he's last on my list of issues that need fixing.

 

[sutz]

Not the biggest Geno fan but he's last on my list of issues that need fixing.

I don't know about last, but he's pretty low on the list.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Geno isn't the problem as he's not a detriment. He isn't Watson level bad, I do think Geno has a better head on his shoulders. However, he is behind one of the worst rated lines in the league and, no offense, isn't special enough to turn that around on sheer talent. A lot of QB's aren't.

If the team even had an average line, like 14-20 ranked line play, we wouldn't even be discussing Geno as much (unless he was legitimately just sh*tting the bed).

 

[toffee]

Are there better quarterbacks than Geno? Yes, but not as many as QBs that are worse than him. Is he single-handedly the source of our offense problems? Probably not.

In the end, unless there is a Mahome type to be drafted or traded, we could do worse with another average QB. Besides, Geno is not overly expensive, would his replacement cost less?

 

[Vesuve]

Youtuber Brendon Nelson's opinion on Geno Smith,



Do you agree with him?

Yes, i agree with him.

 

[SeaWolv]

Yes, the ever present circle of never blaming anyone. That led to 3 playoff wins in 9 (soon to be 10) years. But hey, you do you.

There have been many opinions on this site about who's to blame. I think the obvious answer has something to do with JS. Unfortunately at this point he's only had one season without PC's veto tainting everything he does so not enough time yet to to judge him individually, but the clock is ticking...

Seattle's #30 rated OL (PFF) happens to also be one of the lowest paid. Obvious correlation. Successful teams have good line play, that's your foundation. This is why Seattle struggles to run and throw. JS/PC had a history of not prioritizing this group. Is Haynes the beginning of a change in this trend? The fact that he's not starting suggests not but being good here takes time. The only FA he brought in was Williams, who the Phins didn't want anymore. At the time it looked like a good pickup but the fact that there wasn't at least one decent acquisition to replace Lucas is worrisome.

JS has done some things to improve the defense but it's not been enough to translate into overall success. It doesn't help that they're on the field more than most teams. Seattle is #27 in TOP (TR). There's clearly more work to do here and I think getting a premier edge rusher is critical to helping the secondary do their jobs better. This should have been an off season priority and the fact that JS didn't go after one in FA is a head scratcher.

I know there are some on this board calling for an overhaul but you can't do that in one draft/FA cycle. This next off season will tell us a lot about whether or not JS should stay. At this point I'm very skeptical.

 

[SeaWolv]

Geno is a very good QB and if he had Detroit's OL no one would be complaining about him. We'd all be talking about why our pash rushers aren't getting more pressures and sacks. Seattle is ranked #18 in team sacks (TR).

JS's mandate is pretty clear IMO, we need upgrades to OL and Edge. If that doesn't happen this coming off season he should be fired.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Yes, the ever present circle of never blaming anyone. That led to 3 playoff wins in 9 (soon to be 10) years. But hey, you do you.

Ah, yes. This forum is notably devoid of the blame game, definitely.

Real life is nuanced. Organizational dynamics are nuanced. You may want easy answers, but in large organizations, blame is shared. The reality is that it takes several failures from several parties to arrive at a subpar on-field product.

That isn't "never blaming anyone." It's just realism.

 

[Appyhawk]

Geno is a good guy. Geno is a good player, especially between the 20s. We do not need to replace him immediately. But we do need to find his replacement. We need to upgrade our O Line immediately and continuously. We need to invent some cap space to do that. We need to have more and better draft choices to do that.
One of my dad's favorite lines was "the impossible just takes a little longer".

 

[Natethegreat]

I think JS deserves credit for bringing Geno Smith in as a free agent. That's a huge win.
He drafted Russ as well. People who want him run out of town are crazy imo.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I think JS deserves credit for bringing Geno Smith in as a free agent. That's a huge win.
He drafted Russ as well. People who want him run out of town are crazy imo.

He does some good things and i'll always give him credit for recognizing QB talent, but he does some bad stuff too like not prioritizing the Oline and trying to apply band-aids to actual problems that put us in cap hell.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Great QBs lift their team around them. Good QBs can flourish under perfect conditions. That's the category that Geno is in. Much like Jared Goff. Big arm and plays great with an awesome o line and good run game.

Great post. Look, everybody knows i'm not a big Geno guy, but putting the blame on him for the teams problems is insane. He's set up for failure right now and he isn't somebodys who's elite and can overcome it. He is good though and the best that we have right now. My biggest problem with the whole Geno thing is the excuses though. Is his MO going to be that there were always some kind of issues that prevented the world from seeing how good he was? Well, no QB in the world has everything set up perfectly for them. It seems Geno needs that though in order for him to be the Geno that some thinks he is.

 

[Seahawks fan]

Any seahawks' fan that believes Geno is the problem must be watching these games with their eyes closed & ears covered, or they are just haters of Geno because, I see a QB that's running for his life and still making plays... I didn't know the number on the pressures and over 10 times a game is a ridiculous amount I'm surprised he hasn't been sacked more with that pressure rate, now I'm starting think he's playing better than I thought he has been this year.. I know the Geno haters hate hearing this but, Geno is not the problem it's the combination of the 5 men in front of him that's the problem. I don't hear anyone bashing Walker lll, Charbonnet because they aren't having a great statistical year.. Some fans need to realize this whole team is struggling right now and Geno is doing everything in his humanly powers to get wins, I mean even Lamar Jackson would be struggling behind this line...