Should a murderer be HOF eligible?

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This guy Tyrer has a story to tell. He was obviously mentally ill, so perhaps re-telling his story could influence others into recognizing the awful curse of mental illness, that it happens to people from all walks of life.
 

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I guess i just will never understand how you can screw something up so bad when you are on top of the world.. look at Henry rugs or whatever his name is.. How could you ever make such an idiot mistake?
 

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Reading his story of course he should be in the hall. I think it’s pretty obvious football caused him to have CTE.
 

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Reading his story of course he should be in the hall. I think it’s pretty obvious football caused him to have CTE.
I agree 100% that he should be in the HOF, but I don't know how we can be so sure that his problem was CTE let alone having been caused by playing football, and the article mentions that uncertainty. There are lots of murder/suicides that were committed for reasons other than CTE.

Even if it were to be proven conclusively that CTE was not a contributing factor, it's obvious that something was seriously wrong with him, and that's the story that needs to get told.
 
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I agree 100% that he should be in the HOF, but I don't know how we can be so sure that his problem was CTE let alone having been caused by playing football, and the article mentions that uncertainty. There are lots of murder/suicides that were committed for reasons other than CTE.

Even if it were to be proven conclusively that CTE was not a contributing factor, it's obvious that something was seriously wrong with him, and that's the story that needs to get told.
I understand what you are saying and we can never truly know what is going on inside someone’s head. However this quote from a teammate makes me think he had severe CTE. Teammate and author Michael Oriard would later describe Tyrer in the book "The End of Autumn" as "the unlikeliest suicide-murderer to those who knew him." Brain damage can affect people in very different ways. A hall mark of CTE is making decisions that are self destructive. There could obviously be other mental issues, but I am convinced CTE makes these issues much more severe. Which, while this is extreme, it does fit the pattern. Remember Chris Benoit?
 
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I understand what you are saying and we can never truly know what is going on inside someone’s head. However this quote from a teammate makes me think he had severe CTE. Teammate and author Michael Oriard would later describe Tyrer in the book "The End of Autumn" as "the unlikeliest suicide-murderer to those who knew him." Brain damage can affect people in very different way. A hall mark of CTE is making decisions that are self destructive. There could obviously be other mental issues, but I am convinced CTE makes these issues much more severe. Which while this is extreme, it does fit the pattern. Remember Chris Benoit?
The point I'm trying to make is that the specific cause of the murder-suicide, even if it could be identified which it cannot especially given that it occurred nearly 45 years ago, should not be an issue when it comes to HOF admission. We all agree that something wasn't right with him.

When I was growing up in Walla Walla, in the '60's-early '70's, a mother shot her husband and her children, thinking that she was saving them from the Devil, before turning the gun on herself. The mother had a known mental condition and had just been released from the hospital. I worked with one of the surviving kids.

I don't want us as a society to think that CTE is such a contributing factor to murder-suicides that people rule out other possible causes. The internet is full of examples of murder-suicides where football, ie CTE, was not a factor. Tell the story as is known, not by what is speculated.
 
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For fear of sounding like I’m defending some really scummy people.. I’m not convinced off the field “issues” should diminish a players ability to be put in the hall of fame.
 

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It’s a prerequisite for politicians why not professional athletes? I say start in high school and rack crimes up like rushing yards and to the winner go the spoils
 

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For fear of sounding like I’m defending some really scummy people.. I’m not convinced off the field “issues” should diminish a players ability to be put in the hall of fame.
I'm in general agreement. I do think that someone like OJ, who was a despicable character IMO and was as guilty as sin of murdering two people, should be admitted. But tell their entire story. Next to their bust, have an orange jump suit and hand cuffs. Don't give people the impression that these guys are all saints.

But if the subject is Pete Rose, who broke a sacred rule of the game of which others have been banished for, I do not think that they should be admitted for an off-field issue.
 

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As shitty of a human been OJ turned out to be, it does not change the fact that he was one hell of a good football player
Judge Joe Brown has a different take on OJ, he didn't kill Ron and his Ex. He has quite a compelling case to make.
 

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