Schneider Doesn't Deserve This Much Hate

[hox]

If I can give Mike 3 years, I can certainly give John 3 years Post Pete.

Mike is a rookie HC who deserves some extra rope for sure. JS has been in the business for many years with the same patterns we've seen before.

Here's a conversation that never happened:

JS: Pete, I really think we should pick Humphrey here. We haven't had a good center since Unger.
Pete: You sure about that John? I really need this gadget receiver. He will be excellent on special teams.
JS: But Pete, the trenches are foundational - trust me on this!
Pete: Nah John, I really need a Percy 2.0. It's all about the splash plays!
JS: Okay, you're the boss!

More likely what happened:

Pete: John, how's that draft board coming a long? COVID shutdowns really hurt our scouting this year, didn't it?
JS: Yeah, but my scouting team got on Skype and we really like this receiver here. He's raw talent but just OOZING with potential.
Pete: You sure about that John? What about this center over here? We need to be able to run the ball in my offense. That's why I told you to get Marshawn back in the day, remember? My teams play defense and run the ball.
JS: Yeah, but I think interior o-line are overvalued. I can find you some better value in the later rounds.
Pete: Really?
JS: Really.
Pete: Ok John, I trust you and the scout team on this. Dee Eskridge, it is.

DOH!!

 

[pittpnthrs]

Well I guess we have different definitions of never

Sorry, I just meant a decades worth. I should have been clearer.

 

[12th Dimension]

I like JS. He does have some areas of concern that he needs to improve on. I would rather see him evolve than make a change right now. John's biggest liability is he hired the staff who is way light on experience. They need to step up. No more square nails into a round hole.

 

[12AngryHawks]

I'm not on the fire JS train just yet, more on the revamp the scouting department train.

 

[GemCity]

As someone who would pick interior lineman over skilled players (all day, every day), it was either Pete or JS calling the shots that led us down this path. Past their prime free agents, bad trades, a few coordinators that have found new homes but without much success…

But, I’m not ready to crucify him (yet). This is John’s first year with total control. I think Brooks leaving was a surprise and put him in a bad position LB wise…John drafted Knight and to be honest, there weren’t any other guys I would’ve took at LB (at the time). He compensated with Dodson and Baker…what other choice did he really have?

In this last draft, he took interior guys with the first two picks and picked up the best LB he could in the 4th.

As for Fant, I think JS is very keen on him contract/value wise. We drafted his replacement and the rook is getting reps.

I understand the frustration. I think there would’ve been a lot less frustration had we not started 3-0. We have a ‘first time’ staff…almost top to bottom. That includes JS running the show solo for the very first time.

Man…I have faith in JS.

I know he played a part in where this team sits today but, you’ve really got to put things in perspective.

 

[SonicHawk]

I was on the fire JS train two years ago.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Jamal Adams, Quandre Diggs - horrible contracts. Why even pay safeties that much in the first place? And after a major season ending injury? Just horrible roster management and bad ROI here.

Jerome Baker - Not even on the team.

Dodson - Not even on the team.

Nwosu - Oft injuried and not even on the field.

Jenkins - Not that good

Lockett - Past his prime and not living up to contract

Metcalf - Above average player but not at Julio Jones or Megatron level

Dre Jones - Massively underperforming his contract

Leo Williams - About meeting his contract, but is not the future

Noah Fant - Unperforming his contract, another mid-level type of player

Witherspoon - I mean he's not bad, but not living up to 5th overall pick status currently

This roster / roster management is mid with a poor ROI.

I very much agree with this.

When Seattle went on this losing streak, I had to really think about how talented this team really is…..

The overall best player on this team is likely DK, followed by K9, Leonard Williams, Spoon, and perhaps,

Mike is a rookie HC who deserves some extra rope for sure. JS has been in the business for many years with the same patterns we've seen before.

Here's a conversation that never happened:

JS: Pete, I really think we should pick Humphrey here. We haven't had a good center since Unger.
Pete: You sure about that John? I really need this gadget receiver. He will be excellent on special teams.
JS: But Pete, the trenches are foundational - trust me on this!
Pete: Nah John, I really need a Percy 2.0. It's all about the splash plays!
JS: Okay, you're the boss!

More likely what happened:

Pete: John, how's that draft board coming a long? COVID shutdowns really hurt our scouting this year, didn't it?
JS: Yeah, but my scouting team got on Skype and we really like this receiver here. He's raw talent but just OOZING with potential.
Pete: You sure about that John? What about this center over here? We need to be able to run the ball in my offense. That's why I told you to get Marshawn back in the day, remember? My teams play defense and run the ball.
JS: Yeah, but I think interior o-line are overvalued. I can find you some better value in the later rounds.
Pete: Really?
JS: Really.
Pete: Ok John, I trust you and the scout team on this. Dee Eskridge, it is.

DOH!!

this is exactly the scenario that probably happened……still pisses me off they passed on Creed Humphrey.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

1. This was JS first offseason with out Pete. In this offseason JS had to find a coach, help find all his coaching staff. Get ready for the draft. And go into free agency.

2. JS had his hands tied cap wise. This free agency he had to clear cap room and try and find players that were serviceable to MM's system without even really knowing MM, let alone what type of player MM likes.

3. This year JS is getting what he wanted. IMHO he is setting up to have a ton of money in free agency next year. The Hawks have potential to have maybe 60 mil plus this off-season with more bad contracts being trimmed. Some of the moves he has done lean that way. The Howell trade is a big one there's no doubt in my mind JS is ready to move on from Geno. Dremont is another, the Fant deal. Maybe potentially even Lockett. This offseason felt like, a house cleaning is needing to happen with out actually looking like we were doing the
rebuilding thing.

I expect good things to happen this offseason because there will only be one task at hand. And thats building the team MM needs to be successful. Hopefully they won't need to make any big coaching staff changes.
Well maybe Grubb, I think we can do better.

 

[hox]

I very much agree with this.

When Seattle went on this losing streak, I had to really think about how talented this team really is…..

The overall best player on this team is likely DK, followed by K9, Leonard Williams, Spoon, and perhaps,

this is exactly the scenario that probably happened……still pisses me off they passed on Creed Humphrey.

O-line is FOUNDATIONAL. Just look at the Lions and the Chiefs, currently the best teams in their respective conferences. They have a great o-line.

JS doesn't share this belief, exemplified by what he said, how he drafts, and how they've scouted. Every GM makes bad picks and trades, but o-line neglect over the course of a decade is a fundamental and critical flaw to me.

This became glaring this season as our interior o-line continues to be among the worst in the league.

 

[Hawkpower]

Sorry, I just meant a decades worth. I should have been clearer.

I forgive you

 

[Ozzy]

I love JS on a personal level. He’s just a cool dude who does amazing interviews and he’s easy to root for. Historically he hasn’t been great but I don’t know how much of that was him, Pete, the combination of the two etc.

I think it’s fair to see how he does following Pete leaving so he can be the sole decision maker for this team. If he still looks bad in a year or two then they have to move on. I want to give him and Macdonald some time to work together though

 

[MORGULON]

The Patriots were still going to conference championship games though and Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season, but he's the AFC's Pete Carroll,,,,does fine in the regular season, but never good enough to be serious contenders.

You can't rest on laurels from a decade ago and get a free pass forever. That's just insane.

Allegedly, the Patriots had the best quarterback in the history of the NFL.

I agree JS needs more time as THE man , able to build the team with MM without
someone above him. Maybe he fails , but I have a feeling he's going to get MM the kind of players he's looking for.

His guys .

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I get the feeling that John can't wait to move on from Geno. I don't know who you're replacing him with, but if our cap situation is as dire as some suggest, there's no way I'm paying that guy big bucks.

I’m about as close to 100% as you can get that we move on from Geno after this year. We need the cap, his age, and we need an offensive line are the main factors for why I believe that.

This upcoming offseason will be interesting to watch. John will finally have an idea what Mike wants and needs.

 

[JPatera76]

Schneider is the GM of a team that hasn't made it to the conference championship in 10 years. Haven't had a top 15 defense (yards allowed) since 2017.

At some point that Super Bowl victory is a thing of the past. JS hasn't made big moves, he hasn't gone for gusto, he's allowed this team to flounder. He's drafted 6 cumulative PB seasons since 2016. Niners have done 18, Cardinals 10, Rams 7

WTF? lol big moves? What ya call Percy Harvin? Jimmy Graham? Jamal Adams? Diggs? Murphy? Lynch? Leo? Etc etc.. he’s made plenty of big moves. They just haven’t worked like they should or they did until they didn’t..

Sorry he hasn’t chased Bigger names and mortgage the future on 1 guy. I prefer to give a guy a chance that finally gets the coach HE wants, and gets to act as an actually GM rather than the Coach being his boss and in charge of player personnel.

And before people wanna be like “well Pete did this!” Yup he did and then floundered after he was removed from college ball for some time. Russell wanted out when JS was caught scouting and wanting other QBs.. one of them has multiple SBs now, and another has been doing pretty damn good. So maybe it’s not him and is his scouting staff that’s failing?

 

[Rat]

O-line is FOUNDATIONAL. Just look at the Lions and the Chiefs, currently the best teams in their respective divisions. They have a great o-line.

JS doesn't share this belief, exemplified by what he said, how he drafts, and how they've scouted. Every GM makes bad picks and trades, but o-line neglect over the course of a decade is a fundamental and critical flaw to me.

This became glaring this season as our interior o-line continues to be among the worst in the league.

JS doesn't "neglect" the O-line. They spend plenty of capital on it; they've just largely addressed it poorly. The Chiefs don't have a single first-round pick on their OL. They've been better with the picks they have used though, and the QB they have also helps tremendously.

 

[James in PA]

O-line is FOUNDATIONAL. Just look at the Lions and the Chiefs, currently the best teams in their respective divisions. They have a great o-line.

JS doesn't share this belief, exemplified by what he said, how he drafts, and how they've scouted. Every GM makes bad picks and trades, but o-line neglect over the course of a decade is a fundamental and critical flaw to me.

This became glaring this season as our interior o-line continues to be among the worst in the league.

This is where I'm at. Even when John does make a decent move, I cannot get past the constant O line disasters. I just feel like he lacks the ability to assemble a good offensive line. It's the same feeling I had towards the end with Pete and his inability to stop the McVay and Shanny offenses. "Foundational" is a perfect term to describe what an O line should be to a team. We have a crumbling house and John's idea to fix it is with a new roof and a fresh coat of paint.

 

[hox]

JS doesn't "neglect" the O-line. They spend plenty of capital on it; they've just largely addressed it poorly. The Chiefs don't have a single first-round pick on their OL. They've been better with the picks they have used though, and the QB they have also helps tremendously.

Neglect, malpractice, mismanagement, poor scouting, investment, evaluation, etc. In any case, the product on the field over the course of a decade, under multiple coaching staffs is the same. Not good.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Allegedly, the Patriots had the best quarterback in the history of the NFL.

I agree JS needs more time as THE man , able to build the team with MM without
someone above him. Maybe he fails , but I have a feeling he's going to get MM the kind of players he's looking for.

His guys .

I’m willing to give JS two more draft classes: 2025 and 2026.

That’s it.

If JS doesn’t fix this abomination of an offensive line then you gotta cut ties.

What really irks me about JS is he is on record saying offensive lineman are overpaid.

What kind of BS is that??

The guy just does not value offensive lineman.

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

Huge pet peeve for me is whenever the "Fire _____" topics make their cycle is when people are not offering a replacement. The whole point of firing the current guy is to get a new guy in here!

 

[MORGULON]

I’m willing to give JS two more draft classes: 2025 and 2026.

That’s it.

If JS doesn’t fix this abomination of an offensive line then you gotta cut ties.

What really irks me about JS is he is on record saying offensive lineman are overpaid.

What kind of BS is that??

The guy just does not value offensive lineman.

I think that's fair .

3 seasons and the team should have made definitive strides by then .True , the line has never been a strength with the Seahawks , imagine if they were stone cold ....

Average .

They would've won 1 , maybe 2 more games this year. This first off-season should be interesting.