Schneider Doesn't Deserve This Much Hate

[Maelstrom787]

I get it. I do.

We've seen a lot of the same issues and John has some definite blindspots.

However, I don't think he deserves as much hate as he's getting from the fanbase right now.

John has done pretty well for what is shaping up to be 3 drafts consecutively. We've been finding value later in the draft, hitting on our top picks, and overperforming the average.

The roster has young cornerstones to build around.

Yes, the OL has again been a problem - but honestly, right tackle has been the biggest issue, and we're on our fourth stringer. There's no planning around that. He did hit on a near-elite-when-healthy right tackle in the third round. He nabbed 2 great tackles in the same draft.

IOL is a blind spot, yes. Does a Damien Lewis level player for almost 20 million a season fix this though? No, man. It doesn't.

John has, overall, been a steady GM. He's reloaded the roster relatively well time and time again. He finds value in the draft fairly consistently. He works with his coaches.

I say give it some time to see which problems are coaching related and which are personnel related. My suspicion is that the newer offensive coaching staff is getting more leash because they're new, but... suffice to say, I don't think this line looks as bad as they do with guys like Schotty and Solari coaching them. Just saying.

TL;DR: John is still a good general manager regardless of current frustrations. This is his first time with a new coaching staff. If they deserve time, then he deserves time to learn what a whole new staff needs.

 

[Shane Falco]

Feels like those comments JS made about IOL, and then fielding a really bad IOL, really put fans over the edge. I was on the fence before that myself.

 

[WmHBonney]

Look around the league. We could do MUCH worse than JS. Give him time both to do his thing without Pete and to gel with MM. Then go ahead and judge.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Just saying, even with Pete here, JS has been with the team since 2010 and it’s not like he’s made 0 decisions or input. the Oline has been in constant flux and many of his trades, during and after Pete, have left much to be desired.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I get it. I do.

We've seen a lot of the same issues and John has some definite blindspots.

However, I don't think he deserves as much hate as he's getting from the fanbase right now.

John has done pretty well for what is shaping up to be 3 drafts consecutively. We've been finding value later in the draft, hitting on our top picks, and overperforming the average.

The roster has young cornerstones to build around.

Yes, the OL has again been a problem - but honestly, right tackle has been the biggest issue, and we're on our fourth stringer. There's no planning around that. He did hit on a near-elite-when-healthy right tackle in the third round. He nabbed 2 great tackles in the same draft.

IOL is a blind spot, yes. Does a Damien Lewis level player for almost 20 million a season fix this though? No, man. It doesn't.

John has, overall, been a steady GM. He's reloaded the roster relatively well time and time again. He finds value in the draft fairly consistently. He works with his coaches.

I say give it some time to see which problems are coaching related and which are personnel related. My suspicion is that the newer offensive coaching staff is getting more leash because they're new, but... suffice to say, I don't think this line looks as bad as they do with guys like Schotty and Solari coaching them. Just saying.

TL;DR: John is still a good general manager regardless of current frustrations. This is his first time with a new coaching staff. If they deserve time, then he deserves time to learn what a whole new staff needs.

Well, if this coaching staff fails -- John Schneider is likely gone too.

As far as our players go, not impressed. We don't have a single all-pro player or former all-pro player on our roster that has been developed by the Seahawks. Guys like Woolen and Witherspoon have been very up and down from one year to the next. Our IOL has been problematic since Unger was traded --- which by Schneider's own words is by design. I don't see very many field tilters and there hasn't been many on this roster for quite some time.

We have guys with *potential* but nobody that is an elite player. Milquetoast is what our roster has been. We've not been bad, but we also have been extremely mediocre. We on this board have tended to overrate our talent. We have good supporting pieces, but not much of major substance.

 

[knownone]

The recent drafts are good for the same reason the previous drafts 2013-2020 were bad. Pick value. It's easier to pick good players when you are drafting higher.

John benefits more than anyone from Pete's orbit. He's gotten a pass for a decade because many people blamed Pete for every bad roster decision. However, much like Wilson, as you remove one variable from the equation, you find the value of the remaining variables. We're seeing John's value. We're seeing the issues many assigned to Pete were actually major parts of John's philosophy. We're seeing what the supposedly underachieving Seahawks look like under John's hand-picked coach.

Will it take time? Sure. But does John deserve that time? In my eyes, he's as much to blame for Seattle's failures as Pete, so if you're going to axe Pete for underachieving, what happens to John when the team has what could be its worst season in over a decade?

 

[James in PA]

I've been critical of John, but unless we completely go in the toilet and only win one more game this season, I don't see him getting canned just yet. And I'm sure he knows this already, but a gentle reminder from his bosses couldn't hurt that he needs be extremely aggressive in the offseason with regard to the interior OL. No more bargain hunting. He needs to completely change his philosophy. That will be take him out of his comfort zone.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

The recent drafts are good for the same reason the previous drafts 2013-2020 were bad. Pick value. It's easier to pick good players when you are drafting higher.

John benefits more than anyone from Pete's orbit. He's gotten a pass for a decade because many people blamed Pete for every bad roster decision. However, much like Wilson, as you remove one variable from the equation, you find the value of the remaining variables. We're seeing John's value. We're seeing the issues many assigned to Pete were actually major parts of John's philosophy. We're seeing what the supposedly underachieving Seahawks look like under John's hand-picked coach.

Will it take time? Sure. But does John deserve that time? In my eyes, he's as much to blame for Seattle's failures as Pete, so if you're going to axe Pete for underachieving, what happens to John when the team has what could be its worst season in over a decade?

In a year when you've also got a young and inexperienced coaching staff to attribute much of the worst season to? Hopefully nothing.

 

[SonicHawk]

Schneider is the GM of a team that hasn't made it to the conference championship in 10 years. Haven't had a top 15 defense (yards allowed) since 2017.

At some point that Super Bowl victory is a thing of the past. JS hasn't made big moves, he hasn't gone for gusto, he's allowed this team to flounder. He's drafted 6 cumulative PB seasons since 2016. Niners have done 18, Cardinals 10, Rams 7

 

[knownone]

In a year when you've also got a young and inexperienced coaching staff to attribute much of the worst season to? Hopefully nothing.

Then don't state publicly that you have a championship roster if you expect growing pains with a young staff. Simple as that. John set the expectations he's being judged by. He won't be fired this season, but he'll be on the hotseat next season if things don't turnaround dramatically.

 

[Spin Doctor]

The recent drafts are good for the same reason the previous drafts 2013-2020 were bad. Pick value. It's easier to pick good players when you are drafting higher.

John benefits more than anyone from Pete's orbit. He's gotten a pass for a decade because many people blamed Pete for every bad roster decision. However, much like Wilson, as you remove one variable from the equation, you find the value of the remaining variables. We're seeing John's value. We're seeing the issues many assigned to Pete were actually major parts of John's philosophy. We're seeing what the supposedly underachieving Seahawks look like under John's hand-picked coach.

Will it take time? Sure. But does John deserve that time? In my eyes, he's as much to blame for Seattle's failures as Pete, so if you're going to axe Pete for underachieving, what happens to John when the team has what could be its worst season in over a decade?

Well, in Schneiders defense -- he's only had one draft without Pete having authority over him. Almost all of the roster are Pete guys.

His moves in the free agency, however have proven to be questionable. Our FA LB's? All cut, our FA lineman? All getting blown up, Rayshawn Jenkins has been mediocre. Our draft has a few guys doing well, mainly Byon Murphy and Knight. Others, such as Haynes are a major liability (offensive lineman struggling with Seattle? Name a more iconic duo).

 

[MontanaHawk05]

John set the expectations he's being judged by.

Thin excuse for firing a guy who built one of the NFL's all-time finest rosters and even after that, year in and year out, had us amongst the league's best in wins.

You guys just never watch other NFL teams. The Patriots had a nine-year drought between Super Bowls because drafting is so random. Mike Tomlin is looking really good right now after a long suck. Giants fans wanted Coughlin gone before 2012.

As far as I'm concerned, win the big dance and you're entitled to your position until you want to retire. Building a Super Bowl roster doesn't mean nothing, no matter how frustrated people get during a drought.

 

[knownone]

Thin excuse for firing a guy who built one of the NFL's all-time finest rosters and even after that, year in and year out, had us amongst the league's best in wins.

You guys just never watch other NFL teams. The Patriots had a nine-year drought between Super Bowls because drafting is so random. Mike Tomlin is looking really good right now after a long suck. Giants fans wanted Coughlin gone before 2012.

As far as I'm concerned, win the big dance and you're entitled to your position until you want to retire. Building a Super Bowl roster doesn't mean nothing, no matter how frustrated people get during a drought.

Ownership fired Pete Carroll when his five-year win% was 60. Why favor the GM?

I never watch other NFL teams? Okay. That might be the most aggressive strawman I've seen in a very long time. Bravo.

 

[SonicHawk]

Thin excuse for firing a guy who built one of the NFL's all-time finest rosters and even after that, year in and year out, had us amongst the league's best in wins.

You guys just never watch other NFL teams. The Patriots had a nine-year drought between Super Bowls because drafting is so random. Mike Tomlin is looking really good right now after a long suck. Giants fans wanted Coughlin gone before 2012.

As far as I'm concerned, win the big dance and you're entitled to your position until you want to retire. Building a Super Bowl roster doesn't mean nothing, no matter how frustrated people get during a drought.

Tomlin hasn't had a losing season in his career. Coughlin was 30-18 in between SB wins including a division winning season -- firing Coughlin would have been absurd. The Patriots played in two SBs and won 10+ games every year.

I'm not going to tell you how to feel about retaining people after reaching the peak -- 100% valid thought. It's not my thought.

I didn't understand Pete getting fired but not JS. Pete didn't coach the Seahawks to a depleted roster.

 

[SonicHawk]

I don't disagree with the thought that there's going to be turnaround and down years, especially when you're not trotting out a top 5 QB. But there's no excuse for this roster's lack of talent in several key areas for this long.

 

[Welshers2]

I mean the biggest problem here is that everyone has known their Oline has sucked for the past few years and yet it is still somehow the worst in the league

 

[KinesProf]

I have been pretty happy with the recent drafts for sure. But man, watching the Seahawks vs Rams a couple of weeks ago I couldn't help but wish that the Hawks young defenders who they invested significant draft capital into would step up in the big moments to the same extent that Verse, Kinchens, and Fiske were (but that could represent a difference in coaching/development and not be on JS's evaluation of the players as prospects).

And JS went into the offseason knowing that LBer and OL were huge needs that could end up defining the season, and he answered with Baker, Dodson, G Fant, Laken, Nick Harris and Anchrum. Just, objectively, terrible process, terrible targets and terrible results.

I have a lot of a patience and grace for JS, but it is starting to wear a wee bit thin.

 

[James in PA]

Another thing that annoys me about John: I've heard that we are not going to be in good salary cap shape next off-season. How is this even possible? We have no franchise quarterback. We have no superstars on the roster other than maybe DK. Where the hell is all our money going?

 

[KinesProf]

Another thing that annoys me about John: I've heard that we are not going to be in good salary cap shape next off-season. How is this even possible? We have no franchise quarterback. We have no superstars on the roster other than maybe DK. Where the hell is all our money going?

I hear you. Like where tf is their money?

They're not paying high-end QB money, they didn't extend Brooks or Lewis, and Cross, K9, JSN, Mafe, Hall, Riq and Spoon are all on rookie deals. Where'd the money go, John?

 

[Jville]

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