SAM HOWELL

[SoulfishHawk]

This is such a pointlessly obtuse reply.

This is a naked strawman. No one said he was similar to Brady in terms of overall caliber. It was simply pointing out that plenty of excellent leaders have shown emotion on the sideline.

Tom Brady is a good example.

Peyton Manning would straight up get in screaming matches, did he not lead?

Lot of great quarterbacks and leaders had the occasional outburst when faced with shit.

And that's your opinion. Sorry, Dad.

 

[Rat]

I was replying to the question "When have the Seahawks ever been in a position to draft a QB?" I think my answer was relevant as relevant could possibly be. We were in a perfect position. It was not a "nobody could have seen this" because many saw it pre-draft and were discussing the idea.

I did see people expressing the idea, and given my bias towards Stroud's college, it wouldn't surprise me to learn I pushed for it myself, but I don't think it was a slam-dunk because I doubt even his staunchest supporters saw him being THIS good this fast. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way, but the way you worded it expressed a lot of hindsight. Do we know the Bears would have even wanted DK? They were obviously very high on DJ Moore, and I don't know that they don't prefer Carolina's offer anyway.

 

[Maelstrom787]

And that's your opinion. Sorry, Dad.

It isn't fair to the person making the original statement when you misrepresent what they say and then argue against the stance you've falsely attributed to them.

And that's quite alright, son.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

What time is dinner?

 

[renofox]

I did see people expressing the idea, and given my bias towards Stroud's college, it wouldn't surprise me to learn I pushed for it myself, but I don't think it was a slam-dunk because I doubt even his staunchest supporters saw him being THIS good this fast. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way, but the way you worded it expressed a lot of hindsight. Do we know the Bears would have even wanted DK? They were obviously very high on DJ Moore, and I don't know that they don't prefer Carolina's offer anyway.

Maybe I didn't get my point across clearly. I was only trying to use those circumstances to argue against the premise that JS has never had an opportunity to draft a QB. I included the details of the pre-draft discussions on this very board to refute that point with a relevant example. If board members could see a prime possibility, JS also saw it and refused it.

It all really just goes back to my belief that JS ain't all that, imo. He hit the jackpot with RW - twice. All that extra draft capital and he didn't take a shot at a QB. Any QB. Unforgivable, imo. I also believe that the extra draft capital was squandered. The roster should be so much better than this.

Add in all the horrible trades and huge overpays, and I'm just not enamored with JS. If he can't take a risk on a QB, can't build an OL, can't find elite players, and can't build a strong roster, I don't give MM much of a chance of achieving greatness in the next few years.

p.s. 5, 20, and DK was more value than CAR offered and CHI took. It also would have saved us DK's excessive salary.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

What time is dinner?

 

[JayhawkMike]

Folks want Howell after Geno threw a few INTs.
Folks panic because Geno's INT matches his TD.
Switching to the Howell will save our 2024 season and give 12s hope.

Did someone check Howell's TD/INT ratio in his two years in DC? Which part of Howell's past performance and statistics points to stardom?

We know how Geno plays as a Seahawks
We do not know how Howell will play as a Seahawk.
To act like he will be the exact same player with a new team/new OC would be ignorant without seeing it.

 

[toffee]

We know how Geno plays as a Seahawks
We do not know how Howell will play as a Seahawk.
To act like he will be the exact same player with a new team/new OC would be ignorant without seeing it.

Play him and find out.

 

[Scout]

Howell will be fine but he is okay sitting and soaking in this offense. Watching Sam Darnold tear it up with Mayfield while funny to see also shows people are very impatient. And QB's tend to do better in new situations and different coaches/systems.

To me Howell with a running game is a solid QB because no QB should be asked to throw as much as he did last season to win games.

Be patient and trust the Packers way in developing QBs I say. Because honestly what the rest of the league is doing for example the Browns is not working.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Howell will be fine but he is okay sitting and soaking in this offense. Watching Sam Darnold tear it up with Mayfield while funny to see also shows people are very impatient. And QB's tend to do better in new situations and different coaches/systems.

To me Howell with a running game is a solid QB because no QB should be asked to throw as much as he did last season to win games.

Be patient and trust the Packers way in developing QBs I say. Because honestly what the rest of the league is doing for example the Browns is not working.

Seems like Howell has the same amount of time learning the Grubb offense as Geno has.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I don't see any reason to play Howell. Now if Geno keeps throwing picks at a prodigious rate, then maybe. Geno has to clean up the turnovers.

 

[Scout]

Seems like Howell has the same amount of time learning the Grubb offense as Geno has.

While true he doesn't have enough experience seeing defenses yet. But Howell seems sharp and a quick study learning offenses so by next year I think he will be a lot faster and sharper.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I don't see any reason to play Howell. Now if Geno keeps throwing picks at a prodigious rate, then maybe. Geno has to clean up the turnovers.

To me this is the same mindset that got us 3 playoff wins in 9 years. IF, and only if, this year is going to end without making the playoffs then let us prepare for Next year. IF, and only if Howell is intended to be a starter in the future it makes no sense at all in investing a season of experience in Geno when it will not result in a future benefit to the Seahawks.

I have no real expectations this year except to learn and grow and prepare for Next year. Getting young and giving them game reps even at the cost of winning is fine by me. I want to win but that is secondary. But taking that approach at all the positions except for QB, the most important position, is a waste of time when Howell could integrate himself NOW when mistakes really don't matter. He will make them. Let's get ready for next year. And maybe Grubb could pull out some plays and have some fun like the Lions have been having against us and the Cowboys.

 

[Spin Doctor]

While true he doesn't have enough experience seeing defenses yet. But Howell seems sharp and a quick study learning offenses so by next year I think he will be a lot faster and sharper.

Howell is not football savvy. He operates like RW. Relies on improv and playing out of structure.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Howell is not football savvy. He operates like RW. Relies on improv and playing out of structure.

Maybe that's the was he was forced to play with his prior team. Maybe not. Maybe he learned something. You're not really going to pigeonhole a young QB that was on a bad team are you? Let's see.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Maybe that's the was he was forced to play with his prior team. Maybe not. Maybe he learned something. You're not really going to pigeonhole a young QB that was on a bad team are you? Let's see.

It's a style of play that goes back to his college days. It's just the type of player he is. He can probably learn some new tricks, but he isn't going to morph into an entirely different style of quarterback.

 

[JayhawkMike]

It's a style of play that goes back to his college days. It's just the type of player he is. He can probably learn some new tricks, but he isn't going to morph into an entirely different style of quarterback.

I guess if you are one way in college you never improve.

"[Geno] Smith struggles to see the play develop. He needs to learn how to see where his receiver and the defender will be in two steps, rather than simply analyzing where they are right now. The majority of his interceptions and deflected passes came when he threw to an open receiver who was no longer open by the time the ball arrived. Smith also needs to develop the ability to see the entire field. When Smith drops back to look either left or right and rarely turns to see the other side of the field. Smith usually has a primary target down the field, and a check-down option. He throws to one of these two receivers before ever looking across the field on the overwhelming majority of his throws."

BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT . . . LOL

 

[Spin Doctor]

Maybe that's the was he was forced to play with his prior team. Maybe not. Maybe he learned something. You're not really going to pigeonhole a young QB that was on a bad team are you? Let's see.

My point is, you can’t exactly call him a savvy QB. We have no body of evidence to draw upon that says otherwise.

He was very much in the vein of Wilson of backyard football and avoiding the middle of the field.

 

[chrispy]

Seahawks OL ensures SHowell will get playtime this season. It is what it is... There's no reason to force the issue.

 

[Scout]

Howell is not football savvy. He operates like RW. Relies on improv and playing out of structure.

I do not agree with that. Bienemy trusted him enough to go all out passing with him and not rely on a running game to bring him along. Also, it didn't help that the Washington defense couldn't stop anyone. So the Washington team had to engage in shoot outs to have a chance at winning games and for a player with limited experience he exceeded expectations despite the tough circumstances.

Yes Howell can improv and play out of structure like RW and Mayfield. But Mayfield is a better QB now because he can read the high safety pre snap and Howell will reach that point. Geno Smith took years to be a better QB pre snap and learned from Manning and Rivers respectively.

Maybe that's the was he was forced to play with his prior team. Maybe not. Maybe he learned something. You're not really going to pigeonhole a young QB that was on a bad team are you? Let's see.

I explained above the circumstances with Howell and it is too early to judge him.

As for being savvy and processing Howell is very underrated as he can move LBs and safeties with his eyes and see thing pre snap. But once again as I have stated let him sit a year and improve his pre snap reads learning from Geno Smith and he will be a better QB for it.

Basically what I am saying is Howell's floor is Baker Mayfield but his ceiling might be more than that because his arm is stronger and he throws a tighter ball to the sideline than Mayfield.